Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker

I thought it was the worst of the bunch.

Rogue One at the top of the list
The Force Awakens/The Last Jedi/Solo tied for next
Rise of Skywalker well below those

I didn’t think it was wrapped up as a series even close to as complete as Avengers. If you put End Game at a 10, RoS would be lucky to be in the 3-4 range.

Wife went back today and liked it more than the first time.
 
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I thought it was the worst of the bunch.

Rogue One at the top of the list
The Force Awakens/The Last Jedi/Solo tied for next
Rise of Skywalker well below those

I didn’t think it was wrapped up as a series even close to as complete as Avengers. If you put End Game at a 10, RoS would be lucky to be in the 3-4 range.

Wife went back today and liked it more than the first time.
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This what I keep hearing and why I won't go watch it. Heard tons of plot holes, Mary Sue Rey, and undoes the point of 1-6 entirely.
 
Went and saw it only because someone else paid....

sucked. To much stuff just pulled out of the air for the story...

I like rogue one and I love the Mandalorian, so I’m not adverse to new Star Wars. But these last 3 are just trash.
 
Just got out of the movie and wow. That force is some sht. It is like xmen strong. Also, I'm pretty sure that now Stars Wars is a total incest fest. Cause I think palpatine created darth somehow so that in the end it was like 1st cousins or brother and sister . I'm pretty sure. They should have had some chared bones laying on the ground as a nod to Aunt Baru and uncle owen.
 
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I enjoyed it, mostly because I walked in wanting to enjoy it. Some plot holes. A plot that had no cohesion other than tying up loose ends from previous movies.

Still fun.
 
SnowRooster said:
Went and saw it only because someone else paid....

sucked. To much stuff just pulled out of the air for the story...

I like rogue one and I love the Mandalorian, so I’m not adverse to new Star Wars. But these last 3 are just trash.
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This is where star wars fails and marvel excels. Years of material to flesh out the story, star wars discards (I'll concede most wasn't truly canon in the sense that lucas wrote it himself), whereas marvel embraces it.
 
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This is where star wars fails and marvel excels. Years of material to flesh out the story, star wars discards (I'll concede most wasn't truly canon in the sense that lucas wrote it himself), whereas marvel embraces it.
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I agree, I was not a big fan of comics growing up. I did not know all marvel stories before the movies. But I feel like I know more about the marvel characters then I do all these new Star Wars characters.
 
We saw it yesterday morning, I am 45, I grew up watching, acting out with toy guns with my cousins. Playing with all star wars toys, action figures, wore t-shirts, pajamas, had star wars trapper keepers for school... To say I was a fan of the original series would be an understatement. I wished that they would left the series alone at 3 and not destroy what were my childhood dreams, and fantasies. These newer 6 movies did nothing but disappoint me more and more. I watched all of them hoping, thinking, that they may somehow find the magic that the first 3 movies were. Well it is supposed to be over now, I have watched them all. I will still watch the originals when they come on TV, but I am done with the new ones.:(
 
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Saw it Saturday...saw Jumanji 2 Sunday and can’t remember half of what was in Star Wars now...that’s how much I liked SW! o_O

It was a joke and they’ve turned the force into a joke. Rey didn’t finish the training course...:eek:...of running through the jungle jumping over trees...and yet she was hovering in mid-air with stones floating all around??? I love that she struggled climbing on things but could jump an entire canyon, even with incomplete training...

Just a couple of the “stupids” I can remember. Throwing popcorn at my son kept us both awake throughout it! :D
 
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Saw it Saturday...saw Jumanji 2 Sunday and can’t remember half of what was in Star Wars now...that’s how much I liked SW! o_O

It was a joke and they’ve turned the force into a joke. Rey didn’t finish the training course...:eek:...of running through the jungle jumping over trees...and yet she was hovering in mid-air with stones floating all around??? I love that she struggled climbing on things but could jump an entire canyon, even with incomplete training...

Just a couple of the “stupids” I can remember. Throwing popcorn at my son kept us both awake throughout it! :D
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Luke never completed his training either before he fought Darth Vader. Anakin was a strong force user as a Padawan at Obi Wan's side capable of using the force in some ways better than his master. The Force has always been somewhat of a joke. Alec Guiness referred to it as "Big part. Fairy-tale rubbish but could be interesting perhaps."

I think people look back at the original Star Wars with rose colored glasses on. It was an amazing movie for its time. It set the benchmark for Science Fiction on the big screen but it was just a spaghetti western based on a Samari Tale set in space. It was not a new story. I personally think the public expects too much of these films.
 
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Luke never completed his training either before he fought Darth Vader. Anakin was a strong force user as a Padawan at Obi Wan's side capable of using the force in some ways better than his master. The Force has always been somewhat of a joke. Alec Guiness referred to it as "Big part. Fairy-tale rubbish but could be interesting perhaps."

I think people look back at the original Star Wars with rose colored glasses on. It was an amazing movie for its time. It set the benchmark for Science Fiction on the big screen but it was just a spaghetti western based on a Samari Tale set in space. It was not a new story. I personally think the public expects too much of these films.
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Good points.

I'm a fan of not meddling with the secret sauce formula. History is full of examples that either killed or dealt a strong blow to brands that did screw with it: Coca Cola, The Walking Dead, Papa Johns, MTV, etc...

They didn't need to go complicate the story with too many character arcs to keep up with, along with the extra spice of social justice messaging.
 
wvsig said:
Luke never completed his training either before he fought Darth Vader. Anakin was a strong force user as a Padawan at Obi Wan's side capable of using the force in some ways better than his master. The Force has always been somewhat of a joke. Alec Guiness referred to it as "Big part. Fairy-tale rubbish but could be interesting perhaps."

I think people look back at the original Star Wars with rose colored glasses on. It was an amazing movie for its time. It set the benchmark for Science Fiction on the big screen but it was just a spaghetti western based on a Samari Tale set in space. It was not a new story. I personally think the public expects too much of these films.
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That’s exactly what made the new ones so bad...I know Rey’s training scene was supposed to be a nod at the original but it just made it more of a joke, and not in a good way (this was just one example). I think the original 3 aren’t necessarily great “movies” and are a simple story in concept, as you stated above, but were good for the time. Knowing what it took to make those is what makes them great. The next 3 (ep 1-3) were just Lucas going crazy with CG and special effects. The last 3 have just been rushed, unoriginal, SWJ crap and the completion of a money making effort for Disney. I enjoy simple “spaghetti westerns” and don’t have a high bar set for what is “entertaining”, but these fall well short of hitting acceptable marks in those categories.
 
wvsig said:
I think people look back at the original Star Wars with rose colored glasses on. It was an amazing movie for its time. It set the benchmark for Science Fiction on the big screen but it was just a spaghetti western based on a Samari Tale set in space. It was not a new story. I personally think the public expects too much of these films.
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I agree that I think there is a lot of "rose colored glasses" going on with the new movies. However, I feel some of the gripes have a lot to do with a new reliance on CGI, or I should say an "over" reliance on CGI. The first Star Wars movies used cutting edge tech to bring stuff to life. But they were very limited and had to rely on the story more. The "space magic" seemed more limited to giving an edge to users in battle, or moving objects with great concentration. But the "new force" has people jumping and twirling and nearly flying. Its use is as simple as a flick of the wrist and crap flies all over the place. In the originals Yoda had to concentrate hard to move an X-Wing, and yet in the new movies one can stop a blaster bolt in mid flight. And I agree, it could just be me looking at things through those rose colored glasses, but the force now just seems (as a gamer would say) over powered.

I haven't seen the new one yet, so I don't know how things are tied up, but I sometimes feel like they have missed out on some awesome story lines that >should< have been explored. Finn goes from a life of being gleaned to be a storm trooper to losing his nerve in the first battle and boom, he is a rebel now. Phasma, a chrome female trooper...where did she come from? Why is she dressed like that? And why, if so awesome, does she get whipped so easily? Finn and Poe escape together but suddenly BOOM, BFFs forever. Granted, the number of movies and time required to explore all of this would be immense, but I feel sometimes like they hint at too much and then deliver too little. I would almost prefer they not do the hinting and keep to what is able to be digested in a 2-3 hour movie.

So far, my favorite iterations of the Star Wars universe have been The Mandalorian and Solo: A Star Wars Story and Rogue One. Mainly because they don't rely on the fancy space magic to make everything "work". The Force is there...its known...but it isn't some divine Plot Armor that can answer any and all questions immediately. Its like the writers have to work..."How does the Mandalorian escape this prison cell? Well, we need to explain his armor, its capabilities, and then show it..." as opposed to "How do we get Obi Wan from this level to this level, its like 50 feet up...Oh, we will just have the force jump him up there!"

Now, to drag out this needlessly long post, I think part of the issue with the new movies is basically me growing older. When I was a kid I was more accepting of things because I didn't know/care about details as much. Now, as an adult things like bombs falling down in space is dumb...bombers in general having bomb bays is dumb, ramming ships at other ships is a silly solution, flicking a "We will just throw the force in here" seems lazy, and pretty colors and fancy CGI isn't as impressive as good acting and a deep emotional connection with a character. To this day, Mando looking at the little knob in his cockpit, and then going back for baby yoda exceeds the emotional pull of any of the actors in any of the new movies. So...maybe I am just an old fart now.
 
B00ger said:
Now, to drag out this needlessly long post, I think part of the issue with the new movies is basically me growing older. When I was a kid I was more accepting of things because I didn't know/care about details as much. Now, as an adult things like bombs falling down in space is dumb...bombers in general having bomb bays is dumb, ramming ships at other ships is a silly solution, flicking a "We will just throw the force in here" seems lazy, and pretty colors and fancy CGI isn't as impressive as good acting and a deep emotional connection with a character. To this day, Mando looking at the little knob in his cockpit, and then going back for baby yoda exceeds the emotional pull of any of the actors in any of the new movies. So...maybe I am just an old fart now.
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This is true. I am no longer the 7 year old kid who stood in line for hours with his family to watch Empire on opening weekend before the internet. Before a million trailers and months of breaking down of said trailers on the internet. I did not care about the details back then. I cared about the story which was great retelling of an old tale. One that was not new. I guess that is my point. We fool ourseleves into believing we are being shown something new but we aren't. We are getting the same 7 stories. The seven basic plots are: overcoming the monster; rags to riches; the quest; voyage and return; comedy; tragedy; rebirth.

Good movies like Star Wars are a wonderful mix of all of those plots. Even in the new ones they are telling the same stories. That is why it feels like a retread. It feels like we have seen it before because we have. For me I do not find the visuals distracting. I found the movie to be visually stunning. IMAX helps that. I wish the story was stronger and there was more character development but again if we look closely how much development is there in Han Solo. He is the classic rogue who brought humor and enabled the voyage and return.

I love the Mando but it is not new either. Jon Favreau is doing a wonderful job of retelling an old story. I think that you hit the nail on the head in that there is no scene in the new sequel Trilogy that connects us to the characters the way were were instantly connected to the Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, R2D2 etc.... That scene in the first episode of Mando was magic.

My biggest technical issue with all the Star Wars movies is how can universe develop tech that allow them to travel faster than the speed of light but has not mastered wireless digital data transfer. LMAO Even in the newest one they are transferring data via a cable with LED lights showing transmission complete.
 
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willpgn said:
That’s exactly what made the new ones so bad...I know Rey’s training scene was supposed to be a nod at the original but it just made it more of a joke, and not in a good way (this was just one example). I think the original 3 aren’t necessarily great “movies” and are a simple story in concept, as you stated above, but were good for the time. Knowing what it took to make those is what makes them great. The next 3 (ep 1-3) were just Lucas going crazy with CG and special effects. The last 3 have just been rushed, unoriginal, SWJ crap and the completion of a money making effort for Disney. I enjoy simple “spaghetti westerns” and don’t have a high bar set for what is “entertaining”, but these fall well short of hitting acceptable marks in those categories.
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I disagree in that it is the expectations that set up the failure. Look at the language you are using to describe the film. There is a huge bias contained in your comments which IMHO taints your ability to simply enjoy them. It is not a judgement on your viewpoint but you cannot take the bias out of the equation. Disney is in the business to make money I am not sure why that is viewed as a negative.

I did not love the new ones but I liked them for what they are.
 
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wvsig said:
I disagree in that it is the expectations that set up the failure. Look at the language you are using to describe the film. There is a huge bias contained in your comments which IMHO taints your ability to simply enjoy them. It is not a judgement on your viewpoint but you cannot take the bias out of the equation. Disney is in the business to make money I am not sure why that is viewed as a negative.

I did not love the new ones but I liked them for what they are.
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I think Booger said it better about the force becoming laughable and the over dependence on CGI having a negative impact on these. I certainly don’t have an especially rosy look on the originals either...Spaceballs was much better than any of them! :D

Not a negative that Disney makes money...they seem to have rushed and pushed these movies out to cash in at the expense of a decent story and execution.
 
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I think Booger said it better about the force becoming laughable and the over dependence on CGI having a negative impact on these. I certainly don’t have an especially rosy look on the originals either...Spaceballs was much better than any of them! :D

Not a negative that Disney makes money...they seem to have rushed and pushed these movies out to cash in at the expense of a decent story and execution.
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I think timetables are shorter now. I think the public's attention span is really short. Back in the day people complained about how long it took to get Jedi done. There is a profit motive but I am not sure how a longer time between the movie would have helped character development. The real elephant in the room is that Rian Johnson was given free reign with the story of The Last Jedi. It clearly veered off course from what JJ Abrams expected him to do. We might never know how much of the Rise of Skywalker was done to "fix' the plot arcs from The Last Jedi vs the movie that wanted to make in The Rise of Skywalker. I think there was a lot of course correction in The Rise of Skywalker.
 
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Ferrisfan said:
I enjoyed it, mostly because I walked in wanting to enjoy it. Some plot holes. A plot that had no cohesion other than tying up loose ends from previous movies.

Still fun.
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Just watched it. The above says it all. Still much better than the last one !
 
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Im the puppetmaster. I orchestrated the complete annihilation of the jedi while looking them in the eye and smiling. I propped up a puppet regime while I built the most massive fleet in history without even a hint getting out.

And every one of those ships is equipped with an enormous planet smashing penis cannon that will self destruct if kicked only lightly.

And i monologued my evil plan to the entire galaxy while my fleet of penis-gun ships was still docked at the factory.

Palpatine is the real victim of this movie. He just isn't that dumb.
 
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Cowboy said:
So with a name like The "rise" of skywalker do we believe this is the end?
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Just saw it this afternoon, and my wife and I asked the same thing.

Overall, it was enjoyable. Every franchise is going to have bad, good, and great parts and I’d classify this as good. Of course it’s still full of the SJW crap. All males are a dufus or secondary at best, mixed raced relationships made the norm, and even having lesbians kissing at the end. Typical behavior from Hollyweird these days.
 
noway2 said:
Just saw it this afternoon, and my wife and I asked the same thing.

Overall, it was enjoyable. Every franchise is going to have bad, good, and great parts and I’d classify this as good. Of course it’s still full of the SJW crap. All males are a dufus or secondary at best, mixed raced relationships made the norm, and even having lesbians kissing at the end. Typical behavior from Hollyweird these days.
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It's the RISE of Skywalker because she become a man in the next episode.
 
@charliesgrave it is concerning when you’re watching the movie and you get the feeling that they’re trying to convey the message that being interested in your own race is fine, unless your white and then it’s wrong. That’s what I kept thinking hike watching it. It was that in your face.
 
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When my wife and I were leaving the theater, I told her that whomever made that movie must really hate men.

She said, "Why?"

Because all those super duper star destroyers had wieners and the only way to destroy them was to shoot every single one of them in the weiner.
 
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