Suppressed .380?

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Wondering why there aren't more .380 solutions out there. Wouldn't it be slightly quieter than a 9mm?
 
.EC. said:
Wondering why there aren't more .380 solutions out there. Wouldn't it be slightly quieter than a 9mm?
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Good question.
I'm thinking subsonic 380 is hard to find in factory loadings? Or perhaps the case capacity and host is so small that a booster won't run effectively.

Eta, I just looked at my Lee 2nd edition.
It appears that even the lightest 380 bullet (80 gr) is subsonic.
 
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Right. .22LR I get, but why not .380? It's not an obscure caliber and plenty of good hosts out there. How come there isn't a market?
 
.EC. said:
Right. .22LR I get, but why not .380? It's not an obscure caliber and plenty of good hosts out there. How come there isn't a market?
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Name a good host.
I'm having a hard time thinking of one.
Very few folks handload 380.
Minimum to maximum powder charge is silly tight, like .3 gr with titegroup.

I for one would not miss 380 if it was discontinued tommorow.
 
A suppressor for a 9mm will definitely work ... most .380 ammo is under the 1125 fps mark ... the missing part would be tha suppressor host. While I have not truly looked for .380 hosts the few I have seen were a couple Walthers and (while not a .380 but 9x18) Makarov. My guess would be the lack of demand the firearms company think for offering a threaded barreled .380. Now if the HPA by some miracle does pass it would not surprise me to see companies change that as well as aftermarket barrel companies come to the table with offerings.
 
Slacker said:
Name a good host.
I'm having a hard time thinking of one.
Very few folks handload 380.
Minimum to maximum powder charge is silly tight, like .3 gr with titegroup.

I for one would not miss 380 if it was discontinued tommorow.
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Glock 42
Sig P238
Beretta 84
Walt PPK/S
LCP
Bodyguard
Browning BDA
 
.EC. said:
Glock 42
Sig P238
Beretta 84
Walt PPK/S
LCP
Bodyguard
Browning BDA
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Are any of those factory threaded?
Ive not seen threaded barrels offered for most of those. Maybe the Grock, not sure.

Tiny pistols typically do not make good hosts. A normal size 9mm can on a LCP would be comical. I don't think it would cycle.
 
I have not seen any factory threaded barrels or aftermarket ones. They're all good hosts though.
 
.EC. said:
I have not seen any factory threaded barrels or aftermarket ones. They're all good hosts though.
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I'm trying to tell you they are not good hosts. Too tiny. A normal sized 9mm suppressor, even with a booster, is too heavy for such a low powered cartridge and short slide. They would be jam o matics.
There are all aluminum lightweight micro cans on the market that might work.
 
I'm a huge fan of my lcp custom and Glock 42.
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Slacker said:
I'm trying to tell you they are not good hosts. Too tiny. A normal sized 9mm suppressor, even with a booster, is too heavy for such a low powered cartridge and short slide. They would be jam o matics.
There are all aluminum lightweight micro cans on the market that might work.
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Exactly. I've seen custom threading jobs, so it's definitely something that can be done.
 
@Lee_Dingle had his pm9 threaded. That's getting in the small size.
 
Slacker said:
ADCO will thread damn near any pistol using a barrel extension. $250 per job, just send them the slide and barrel.
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I figured a shop like Lone Wolf could make one for the G42 to test the waters. Easy enough for them.
 
Years ago, there was the Cobray/Ingram Mac 11 in .380 cal, along with 9 mm and they were factory threaded. Barrel was fixed position. Not really a carry gun.
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I had a .380 . Wish I still had it now that I have suppressors.
Also reloaded for it then,as ammo was harder to find. The small case and bullets made it a royal PITA.
 
Slacker said:
I'm trying to tell you they are not good hosts. Too tiny. A normal sized 9mm suppressor, even with a booster, is too heavy for such a low powered cartridge and short slide. They would be jam o matics.
There are all aluminum lightweight micro cans on the market that might work.
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Would it cycle OK with a fixed barrel gun, such as a PPK?
 
I the issue with 380 is that most of the guns that fire 380 are either blowback guns (Walther PPK, PK380, Beretta Cheetah/Browning BDA380, etc.), or short recoil micro-pistols (Ruger LCP, Kahr P380, etc.).

The unlocked breech of a blowback gun is not a particularly good match for a suppressor because it's relatively loud. And most of them are fixed-barrel affairs, so replacing the barrel with a threaded barrel isn't quite as easy as with a short-recoil Browning-type action.

The short-recoil micro-pistols would handle terribly with most full-size 9mm suppressors, and the cycling would probably be suspect.
 
jcalvinmarks said:
I the issue with 380 is that most of the guns that fire 380 are either blowback guns (Walther PPK, PK380, Beretta Cheetah/Browning BDA380, etc.), or short recoil micro-pistols (Ruger LCP, Kahr P380, etc.).

The unlocked breech of a blowback gun is not a particularly good match for a suppressor because it's relatively loud. And most of them are fixed-barrel affairs, so replacing the barrel with a threaded barrel isn't quite as easy as with a short-recoil Browning-type action.

The short-recoil micro-pistols would handle terribly with most full-size 9mm suppressors, and the cycling would probably be suspect.
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Came here to say mostly this

A micro 9mm suppressor would be ideal due to size and weight, which would negate suppression and be more for the cool factor. Suppressed .380 isn't that quiet
 
The issue with the .380 is that the case is 2mm too short and ever so slightly undersized. If the case were say, I dunno, 9x19 and a touch bigger at the base then it would open up some possibilities. If nothing else I wouldn't have to sort them out of my brass collection and or send one flying out of stage two on the press.

I'm with @Slacker, they could discontinue it tomorrow and I wouldn't miss it.
 
Slacker said:
Agreed, but there are some cool micro cans that would be right at home on it.
Most if the micro cans are wiped or designed to be shot wet (or both), so if hearing safe is your goal, it will be short lived.
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I unfortunately don't have a 380 pistol, if I did it would probably be a suppressor host. I can say that my PM9 is a great host. When just holding the pistol with the suppressor mounted I was worried it might feel front heavy, but that is not the case at the range. The balance is great. I am telling myself that it would be even better with an Omega 9K, but we will see.

I hear the Glock 42 and 43 make great suppressor hosts, but those are on the larger side.

Lastly I cannot say enough good things about working with Steve at ADCO. He is responsive to all my questions and his work is great.
 
Lee_Dingle said:
I unfortunately don't have a 380 pistol, if I did it would probably be a suppressor host. I can say that my PM9 is a great host. When just holding the pistol with the suppressor mounted I was worried it might feel front heavy, but that is not the case at the range. The balance is great. I am telling myself that it would be even better with an Omega 9K, but we will see.

I hear the Glock 42 and 43 make great suppressor hosts, but those are on the larger side.

Lastly I cannot say enough good things about working with Steve at ADCO. He is responsive to all my questions and his work is great.
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I want a micro can (smaller than K config)
for my G43. I've seen drop in G43 barrels for sale sporadically.
The micro cans normally don't use a booster since they are so lightweight.
The tradeoff is sound suppression.
They just ain't real quiet, but compromise is expected in such a tiny volume.

That integral pistol from Silencerco may break the mold.
 
I am with you @Slacker , the micro cans seem awesome. If the $200 tax went away I would be all over it especially if the Micro can was coming from one of the big manufactures.
 
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