Tactical Pistol Reloads, which technique works best?

He has a valid argument about the extra movement. I’ve never seen or been taught to do what he calls the classic tactical reload. Putting a partial loaded magazine back in your magazine pouch in my opinion is bad juju.

For example, if you need to do an emergency or slide lock reload later in the competition/real world, and you previously returned the partial magazine you may be reloading that magazine instead of a full magazine, which could lead to needing another unnecessary reload later.

This could be overcome by training by doing a tactical reload from the #2 magazine position but still a chance you will mess it up and go to the #1 position. Because that’s where you will practice and use in competitions/real life reloading from the most.

I teach both the mag to pocket and what he calls the modified technique. But I teach mag to pocket the most. Simply because some people have small hands and it’s difficult to hold 2 mags at the same time. And the modified technique requires a lot of practice to pull off correctly. And let’s be honest most people aren’t willing to put in the work.

One thing that I like about the modified technique which he did not discuss is if you practice the technique and are proficient at one hand shooting or holding a spare mag while shooting this technique allows you keep the most ammo in your gun at all times.

For example, lull in the fight, I retrieve my mag from the pouch, if something happens that requires to shoot I still have ammo in the mag that’s already in the gun. Then if it goes to an emergency reload situation, I already have the full mag in my hand.

Said all that to say that I do the mag to pocket reload lol. Informative video, thanks for posting. I’ve not seen his videos before. Going to check out some of his others.
 
If I'm retaining mags it's gonna go back into a pouch in the event that it's needed again, that said I do kind of question the premise of the video. I've never been there done that like Jeff has, but I tend to think that if I'm 'tac reloading' I have a moment to think and stage magazines as needed, so the emphasis on speed seems irrelevant to me.

In classes and in personal training I have 2 belted magazines on my "battle belt", the one in front will always be some sort of extended mag for emergency reloads, the 2nd may be of w/e size but I consider this one my administrative mag.

Let me know if I'm missing something, which I'm sure I am 😅
 
I think IDPA you have to retain your mag ?🤷🏼‍♂️

I know uspsa dump it to the ground and keep shooting.

Real world I will shot till it’s empty

I don’t understand the point of retaining mags like that. Only when I practice mag changes I shoot 2 change mag shoot 2. Till they are emptied. But not pull mag from gun and stick it back in while shooting.
 
falconew said:
I think IDPA you have to retain your mag ?🤷🏼‍♂️

I know uspsa dump it to the ground and keep shooting.

Real world I will shot till it’s empty

I don’t understand the point of retaining mags like that. Only when I practice mag changes I shoot 2 change mag shoot 2. Till they are emptied. But not pull mag from gun and stick it back in while shooting.
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You only have to retain the mag in IDPA if it has rounds left in it, if it's empty you don't.
 
I can't handle two mags at once as my hands are too small. I'll typically just dump the old mag and grab a full one from my pouch. Having 4 magazines loaded on body in a class goes a long way.
 
I think clarification as to if we are talking competition or real world ought to be stated.

If we are talking real world, the lull is when you need to be egressing, like to your car.

If egressing is not possible, the lull is when you plop in the biggest mag you have available, (perhaps if you perceive a spare moment pocket the partial mag).

Then attack (or improve your ambush positioning).

This juggling mags thing, that is you creating a lull for your opponent to take advantage of.
 
I don't think there should be a difference between gaming and real world. Do it how you do it, do it over and over, and get good at it. Faster and more accurate is always the goal.

Unless I am instructed by an instructor or a RO in a competition I always shoot to slide lock, and usually drop the mag.
 
NCLivingBrit said:
Drop gun. Draw new gun. ;)
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New York reload is the correct answer. Carry one LCP a pocket, thats 24 rounds of 380!

In all seriousness it depends on context. Tac reloads (from my limited experience and training) are taught to be done at 'lulls' in the fight. Emergency reloads when you are at slide lock. Neat to see different stuff though. Context is such a huge factor. Is my mag in a pocket? Do I have a duty belt on? Do I have to keep fighting or can I retreat and call for backup/cops?
 
NKD said:
Faster and more accurate is better in "real" world or in competition world.
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Nothing like an accurate reload. Kills em dead every time.

Doing something other than egressing during a lull is a real world way to forfeit getting out alive.

In a competition, do whatever you want, that's a game.
 
S&Wtinkerer said:
New York reload is the correct answer. Carry one LCP a pocket, thats 24 rounds of 380!

In all seriousness it depends on context. Tac reloads (from my limited experience and training) are taught to be done at 'lulls' in the fight. Emergency reloads when you are at slide lock. Neat to see different stuff though. Context is such a huge factor. Is my mag in a pocket? Do I have a duty belt on? Do I have to keep fighting or can I retreat and call for backup/cops?
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I've got an LCP Max with an LCP reload.
 
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Nothing like discussing “real-life” tactics on an Internet forum.

Talking about reload tactics and gunfighting as though it will ever be a thing in real life… that’s like debating the best technique to survive being struck by lightning while being bitten by a shark.

Yeah, it’s possible. It probably happened to someone, somewhere. No, it’s not worth a second thought. Might as well debate how to dodge meteorites or falling plane parts.

The only people that have attempted to collect data on civilian shootings over decades (like Tom Givens) have shown that nearly all defensive gun uses involve 0-to-3 rounds at a car-length or less with return fire unlikely (or part of an unaimed retreat). Most DGUs are resolved with no shooting. The rare high-round count shootings almost never involved an actual gunfight… they were stress-reflex mag dumps.

If you can admin load a J-frame after the fact with shaky hands, you have enough reloading skills to cover 99% of an insanely rare scenario.

Stay healthy, stay out of dumb places, and be able to shoot a 7-yard B8 in 1.5 seconds from concealment, and don’t stress the extremes. Yeah, it’s great to be really competent at gunhandling. No, it won’t increase your survivability.

(Don’t forget, most of the pistol instructors pushing complex training from a defensive/tactical angle are just grifters selling a fantasy legitimized by irrelevant “real world experience”… or no experience at all. SouthNarc ECQC is the pinnacle of good training. Big emphasis on the draw, fitness, fighting, and space management. If the social media for a defensive pistol course has dudes in cargo pants wearing battle rattle doing parlor tricks for coins/patches/belts, it’s entertrainment, not training.)
 
JRV said:
Nothing like discussing “real-life” tactics on an Internet forum.

Talking about reload tactics and gunfighting as though it will ever be a thing in real life… that’s like debating the best technique to survive being struck by lightning while being bitten by a shark.

Yeah, it’s possible. It probably happened to someone, somewhere. No, it’s not worth a second thought. Might as well debate how to dodge meteorites or falling plane parts.

The only people that have attempted to collect data on civilian shootings over decades (like Tom Givens) have shown that nearly all defensive gun uses involve 0-to-3 rounds at a car-length or less with return fire unlikely (or part of an unaimed retreat). Most DGUs are resolved with no shooting. The rare high-round count shootings almost never involved an actual gunfight… they were stress-reflex mag dumps.

If you can admin load a J-frame after the fact with shaky hands, you have enough reloading skills to cover 99% of an insanely rare scenario.

Stay healthy, stay out of dumb places, and be able to shoot a 7-yard B8 in 1.5 seconds from concealment, and don’t stress the extremes. Yeah, it’s great to be really competent at gunhandling. No, it won’t increase your survivability.

(Don’t forget, most of the pistol instructors pushing complex training from a defensive/tactical angle are just grifters selling a fantasy legitimized by irrelevant “real world experience”… or no experience at all. SouthNarc ECQC is the pinnacle of good training. Big emphasis on the draw, fitness, fighting, and space management. If the social media for a defensive pistol course has dudes in cargo pants wearing battle rattle doing parlor tricks for coins/patches/belts, it’s entertrainment, not training.)
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Hey why don't you keep your "reality" to yourself. Don't nobody want to hear that!

Trying to tell me that debating how is best to reload a hi cap mag, all this time on youtube, yak yak yak is a waste, when I coulda been doing something useful, man I got too much time and money invested in all this!

If someone don't try to kill me soon, my life's work will be pointless!

No one wants "died of old age" on their tombstone!

Mine is gonna say:

"Fumbled around trying to remember which pocket was the 'over 10 left' in the middle of a gunfight and was hit by a bus while distracted"

Like a true American Gunslanger!


Now that is Self-Actualization!
 
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commiecuriocollector said:
If someone don't try to kill me soon, my life's work will be pointless!

No one wants "died of old age" on their tombstone!

Mine is gonna say:

"Fumbled around trying to remember which pocket was the 'over 10 left' in the middle of a gunfight and was hit by a bus while distracted"

Like a true American Gunslanger!


Now that is Self-Actualization!
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No one has masculine fantasies of de-escalating an argument, using a flashlight or pepper spray proactively, or warding off burglars with motion sensor lights. Shame!
 
commiecuriocollector said:
I think that qualifies as asymmetrical warfare. I can only presume one doesn't do back pocket carry with those selections.
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No, due to extensive curvature on both front and back, that is contraindicated. If I can pick up a second LCP or Max I'm going to move the odd man out to plumbers crack carry lol
 
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