It is simply THE BEST STOCK trigger ever insofar as reset.When @BatteryOaksBilly and @Jeppo convinced me to get a S&W Model 39, based on the trigger, I was surprised at how much faster you can shoot that gun. It has a very short reset.
I first heard of “trigger reset” just five or six years ago. From a retired state trooper who had grudgingly gone from a Colt Python to a Glock during his time on the force.
Having never fired a Glock, I didn’t know what he was going on about. I was a 1911 guy. And I had an XD.
A few months back I got a Glock. Even with the ZEV trigger... the trigger SUCKS on Glocks. Sucks. I can see where people might care about reset, just to try to think about coming close to a trigger that doesn’t suck.
I still don’t understand the fascination with “reset”.
I guess it’s still better than DA/SA.
@MacEntyreWhen @BatteryOaksBilly and @Jeppo convinced me to get a S&W Model 39, based on the trigger, I was surprised at how much faster you can shoot that gun. It has a very short reset.
I have been tempted to get that'n and sell mine...@MacEntyre
The trigger is even better on a nickel 39-2, like the one currently listed in the BST.
I have spent a bit of time thinking on this one in the past, both from a gunsmith's perspective and a shooter's. While the technique probably goes back further, most of the folks I know who are big reset shooters either shoot a Glock exclusively, or learned to shoot on one. Some of them can do it at a very high level. Guys who shoot this technique and get very fast at it (.15 splits or faster), can induce an odd problem when they switch to 1911's. They can make the hammer follow almost at will. People who come off of the trigger between shots cannot reproduce the problem with the same gun, even at the same speed. Rob Leatham is pretty famous for pulling his finger fully off the trigger between shots, then prepping for the next shot. I tend to be a prep, break, release... prep, break, release shooter. I never consciously feel reset except when I am doing precision shooting with an AR. The reset does not fire the pistol. The part of the trigger pull I want to focus on is the part that makes the gun go bang! You can't fire another shot until you let go of the trigger from the previous one. Miculek is very conscious of the reset for revolver shooting, because he figured out a long time ago that he could shoot a wheelgun a lot faster if he got off of the trigger just as rapidly as he was pulling it. Below is a link to an article talking about the Leatham/Jarrett trigger technique. There are numerous videos of Leatham talking about trigger control.
https://www.handgunsmag.com/editorial/a-sweeping-trigger-technique/138835
When @BatteryOaksBilly and @Jeppo convinced me to get a S&W Model 39, based on the trigger, I was surprised at how much faster you can shoot that gun. It has a very short reset.
4 things going on.
- Prep
- Pin to rear
- Reset
- Prep
Only one deals with the actual firing. (#2)
If one disturbs the sights during #2, the shot will be pulled off target.
One has to do all 4 correctly to shoot accurately at speed.
4 things going on.
- Prep
- Pin to rear
- Reset
- Prep
Only one deals with the actual firing. (#2)
If one disturbs the sights during #2, the shot will be pulled off target.
One has to do all 4 correctly to shoot accurately at speed.
I think it is crucial. Again, just my experience. Not saying I am right or know it all. Pinning allows consistant split times, consistent trigger placement, less wasted movement, and more accurate follow up shots, again, just in my experience.While I did reference the trigger sweeping technique from Leatham and Jarrett, releasing the trigger fully between shots does not necessarily equate to a trigger slapping technique. The stages of the trigger pull... prep, break, pin (or not), and release could be separated and viewed independently. Differing techniques can be mixed and matched depending on the type of shot and accuracy v/s speed requirements. This is much the way that sight focus will vary tremendously depending on the type of shot and speed requirements. While a given shooter may slap the trigger for 5 yard shots at large targets, this does not mean that they may not have a very precise squeeze in their toolbox for 50 yard shots at small targets. My point is that since the pinning/reset/release of the trigger has nothing to do with the actual firing of the pistol, it is of far less importance than the prep and break steps. When anyone below probably an A class USPSA level of shooting is spending a lot of time worrying about reset, they are most likely wasting training time that they could be using to break controlled shots and call those shots accurately.
However... there are top level shooters who use vastly differing techniques for trigger manipulation. I am in no way presenting my views as the best or only way to do anything. I just think that a lot of the emphasis placed on pinning and then releasing to the reset point may be misplaced.
Exactly what I was talking about above. It entirely rests on What the Job is for the shot being sent.While a given shooter may slap the trigger for 5 yard shots at large targets, this does not mean that they may not have a very precise squeeze in their toolbox for 50 yard shots at small targets.
The stages of the trigger pull... prep, break, pin (or not), and release could be separated and viewed independently.
Exactly. My finger never leaves the trigger. It goes microscopically past the reset point where I am at the wall and can slowly apply pressure against the wall again breaking a second shot.As I wrote in the article, one of the techniques is to releases passed the reset point and then prep again to the wall. I've been personally working toward this technique as it has a lesser chance of trigger freeze. I just don't break contact with the trigger.
Not on my 1911s or Ruger MkII.
#overtravelSetscrew
But you wrote that we can do things without pinning to the rear. My guns won't go 'bang' without pinning the trigger to the rear, due to the over travel screw being right there at trigger break.
No pin, no hammer-fall.
He once said "I am the world's highest paid maker of once fired brass". Nice fellow too. I have atarget hanging in my Gun Room he signed for RS. I got to handle his guns he was shooting that day. An XD and a 1911. Both with 2 pound triggers.Here is a video of Rob Leatham talking about "jerking" the trigger. He also mentions shooting tens of thousands of rounds per year. Note that the single drill he is demoing is a 55 round drill. I'm envious, in a positive way, of the time and budget to be able to train and practice that much.
Here is a video of Rob Leatham talking about "jerking" the trigger. He also mentions shooting tens of thousands of rounds per year. Note that the single drill he is demoing is a 55 round drill. I'm envious, in a positive way, of the time and budget to be able to train and practice that much.
He once said "I am the world's highest paid maker of once fired brass". Nice fellow too. I have atarget hanging in my Gun Room he signed for RS. I got to handle his guns he was shooting that day. An XD and a 1911. Both with 2 pound triggers.