Ikarus1
Avtomat Krishna-kov
they all run on fuel. Pretty hard to secure them pipelines if you're all out doing terrorist patrolPlus the tank and drone drivers have homes and families. And have to come out to pee at some point.
they all run on fuel. Pretty hard to secure them pipelines if you're all out doing terrorist patrolPlus the tank and drone drivers have homes and families. And have to come out to pee at some point.
they all run on fuel. Pretty hard to secure them pipelines if you're all out doing terrorist patrol
X 100!!!OH NO YOU DIDNT
CHERRY FROSTED FOREVER
(ban the others)!
Don't set me on fire for this question, because I'm just wondering... What do we need AR's and AK's for?
Exactly. If conflict breaks out in this nation, I think we will see a few different factions. In the cities, I think the urban hordes which are barely kept in check as it is will riot and quickly overwhelm much of their area. I think this in turn is where we will see the bulk of government resources being spent. Things will get worse as the supplies dwindle. Another faction will be middle America, predominantly the red regions. This faction will mostly try to stay out of it, but those that engage will likely use guerrilla and sniper tactics targeting both government agents as well as the city support transports. They will also be effective against the tank driver or their family and as I said previously, if the military does turn on the people they're going to have some real logistics problems fast.Plus the tank and drone drivers have homes and families. And have to come out to pee at some point.
Some of you guys really are a bit dense. He asked a question to get folks thinking. Sorry to tell you, but if you can't think through an answer that is beyond "shall not be infringed" or "come and take them" you are loosing out on the ability to move people to our side. .
and that is key - moving people to our side. most data shows more guns but decreasing number of owners - that doesnt bode well for us. neither does the constant barrage of talking points people are subjected to on the news/social media daily.
while planting your feet firmly in the ground and refusing to budge is great, it will not help in a nation of laws where the population is being taught that the ak15 is a weapon of war capable of leashing untold carnage ,weve averaged one mass shooting every day this year, children are dying etc.
exposure and education is our only hope. know the data and be able to quote it, expose them to shooting and educate them on the intricacies of current laws, what the drawbacks are etc. your always going to have some that accuse you of being being a right wing nut job, but the use of reason is the only chance we have at swaying public opinion. show them what an assault weapon ban actually looks like, compare a mini14 to an AR to a souped up 10/22. quote the govt data on violent crime before and after the awb.
I like you buddy... but calling it an ak15 while trying to support Scott Free's original point doesn't bode well for him (since the premise is seeking knowledge).
I don't think fudds are winnable or moving. Real patriots don't virtue-signal.
(there is another extremist word)
...but who knows how they actually vote. Doubtful they are single-issue voters since they are obviously so wishy-washy.
^my apologies wesley
Ah...I see.
We need to "give". We need to compromise. We need to cede Y to get X.
No.
What we need are folks who take a firm, unwavering stance on the RTKBA....not in part, but the whole. "I support the Second Amendment, but...." ain't gonna cut it. You either support it, or you don't; really no gray areas. It's akin to saying a gal is a little bit pregnant. No; she is or she ain't...same goes for support of the RTKBA.
The reason we can't get on the same page is due to folks wanting to carve out their own little exceptions into the right instead of taking it at face value.
We don't need to compromise when we are fighting to retain rights but we do need to compromise when we are trying to REGAIN the rights we have lost. We needed to unite to get back our rights the same way we lost them one step at a time. we have had bills here in NC that got us back rights but because it did not do away with the PPP people would not support it. the all or nothing mentality kept us from gaining back more rights over the last 10 years. I will fight tooth and nail to prevent loosing any more rights but I will also take any gain of right I can get. I don't own a Bump stock and think they are silly but You do have the right to own one if you want and I will support that right. With reciprocity I kept hearing " I don't want it because I don't go to those states" and other things
Coming from an individual that seems to have neither brain cells or eloquence.Thanks for that wonderful insight. I'll rephrase my question for anyone else who seems to have trouble rubbing brain cells together...
"What is it about the AR and AK platform that makes everyone want one?"
ChiefJason seemed to pick up what I was putting down just fine.Coming from an individual that seems to have neither brain cells or eloquence.
What is your problem? In just a few short posts you have proven you can’t convince anyone to follow you with just your words.
Well, at least I got a few straight answers, granted, that's what I get for playing devil's advocate for a minute. Personally, I don't shoot in any competitions, I don't hunt, but I do dump quite a bit of lead in the back yard. I'm a bit of a tannerite whore, and would like to setup some decent steel targets, instead of using old computer parts.
With that said, it shows that while some of you are capable of thought-provoking discussion, some of you need your guns since you couldn't defend your stance with words if your lives depended on it.
The tanks and drones comment, interestingly another canned statement that seems to be spreading amongst the leftist/librul populace, is meant to be a conversation stopper and attempt to win at the same time.
The truth of the matter is that those tanks and drones won't be as effective as they might think. It takes a lot of logistics and manpower to operate them and that assumes the crews are willing to. Ok, they can undoubtedly take out a population center, but doing so will only deepen the revolt against them. The fact that these leftist types predominantly occupy mass population centers is a real weakness on there part.
Oh thanks. Thats my favorite response.Some of you guys really are a bit dense. He asked a question to get folks thinking. Sorry to tell you, but if you can't think through an answer that is beyond "shall not be infringed" or "come and take them" you are loosing out on the ability to move people to our side. Some folks just flow along with the current, but when given something more to think about you can start to sway them. But that requires thought and actually answering their questions. Not just spouting off canned responses or even worse, name calling. Yeah, we may be our own worst enemy here. A lot of this stuff plays well here. But if you think it plays well with some of your neighbors you are fooling yourselves.
I deal with a guy I used to go to Church with on FB. I've actually brought him along the path a little ways. His daughter is now on her schools shooting team. I didn't do it with Molon Labe and shall not be infringed. Non gun folks will just write you off at that point as an extremist. While those ideas permeate what I say, I say them without sounding like a fool.
And if you guys think you are going to move gun folks over by calling them FUDD"s you are a special kind of stupid. Along the lines of Hillary and her deplorable statement. Leave the name calling to the left and fools, or you just sound like both.
And to answer the AR/AK question. They are fun, have a lot of defensive uses, I hunt with an AR occasionally, and if things ever go sideways I want something more than my Model 94. And I should get to choose what I own, not the Gov.
Wrong question.Don't set me on fire for this question, because I'm just wondering... What do we need AR's and AK's for?
Part of this is because of a "Me" mentality.
"I don't care if they take his bumpstock/SBR/etc, as long as they leave me alone."
I believe those are the epitome of a "single shot."I'm hoping to keep mine so I don't have to resort to suicide bombs at the beginning of this fight. Those will come later most likely though.
Free men are not restricted to possssing property based on what they or any .gov or fudd thinks they need.
There is no valid argument to be had here. The numbers do not lie, gun violence is trivial compared to about anything else. The mass media however does lie. Every word they speak or print has a spin at best, outright lie at worst. And the sheeple can't get enough. You want to fight on their terms, you have lost already.
I do follow our current laws as they have not quite crossed my threshold of tolerance. When they do I will still live free... or die.
Free men don’t beg, they don’t have to say please for something they already own. They don’t have to kiss feet and beg people to live in their free country.
And they will leak blood if necessary to keep it FREE.
How’s that for eloquent?
The only thing fictional in my statement is that we live in a free country but as far as free men, there are still a few.Almost Shakespearean in eloquence as well as fiction. If these men existed, the NFA and BATFE wouldn't exist in any way. Technically, every single person who hasn't shed blood to remove firearm restrictions is a FUDD.
The only thing fictional in my statement is that we live in a free country but as far as free men, there are still a few.
With that said, it shows that while some of you are capable of thought-provoking discussion, some of you need your guns since you couldn't defend your stance with words if your lives depended on it.
I haven't met anyone who has actually fought for our freedom.
I've met people who fought for vengeance, for oil, and for freedom in other countries... but who actually fights for our freedom?
There was no offense intended. My point was the current state of affairs, responding to people with statements like "Shall not be infringed" do nothing. Miscommunication is one of the biggest fire-starters in conflict, and a lackluster "'Murica" response doesn't educate anyone, and educating the "others" is the ONLY way progress can be made.Thank you for the complement...you are absolutely correct in that if I am defending my "stance" and my life depended on it, I will do so with firearms and not words...if you are defending your life, you are way past words.
To read your statement any other way would be insulting, and I am sure you had no intention of insulting anyone on this forum.