Tisas: The report

John Travis

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Last Friday,...courtesy of our esteemed member, MacEntyre...I finally got a close look at a Tisas GI Model. Overall, I was impressed with the gun. There were a couple minor issues that were mainly aggravation and easily corrected...neither of which would be a deal breaker if I had an intention of buying one of the pistols.

On disassembly, the plunger assembly launched out of the plunger tube because the spring didn't have the required dogleg kink. I corrected it on the spot.

During reassembly, the slidestop presented a little problem due to the rear angle of the lug. I didn't correct that, but it's an easy fix should Mac decide to tackler it, and not a major problem to use a credit card to push the plunger back into the tube if he doesn't.

A little more extractor deflection than I like to see, but if it doesn't cause a problem with feed/RTB, it can be ignored, or easy to correct if it does.

The hammer hooks weren't bearing evenly on the sear crown. That became evident when I lightly boosted the hammer and the trigger immediately went from about 6-7 pounds to double that. More light boosting had it on its way to being equalized, and I'd say that a couple hundred rounds to let everything wear in and seat and Mac will end up with a clean 5-5.5 pound rollout trigger...perfect in my world for a duty gun.

As I said...minor gripes.

The oddest issue popped up when reassembling the frame. With the hammer full forward, the sear feet were kicked out, making installation of the mainspring housing impossible when the sear spring was installed. In order to get everything together, the hammer had to be placed in roughly the half cock position to allow the sear to reset correctly into the hammer. I don't know if this is a one-off, or representative...but it was at least present on this one. I didn't investigate further to determine they why of the glitch. Again, not a deal breaker for me, but something to be aware of just in case anyone else runs into it while detail stripping the frame.

None of the small parts were MIM. Neither did I find any evidence of investment casting. However, I also didn't see any evidence of machining or finish machining.

Puzzled, I looked as closely as my failing eyes would allow, and I did see some light surface porosity, and...after pondereing on that for some time after we parted company...I have to suspect that the parts are sintered. I didn't inspect the frame closely, so it's possible that it was also made via sintering. I assume that the slide was cut from barstock. Hopefully, the lessons learned by Essex and Thompson Auto Ordnance and relearned in the early days by RIA concerning cast slides weren't lost on Tisas.

Sintering is a viable process. Like MIM, it's powder metallurgy. It differs from MIM in that the material is heated to the lower critical line...just short of liquefaction...and formed under pressure to fuse the material. Post-64 Winchester Model 92/94 receivers are sintered, and I've never heard of any problems from them that could be related to strength or durability.

With MIM, the powder is mixed with a binder...injected into a mold...and "cooked" to burn off the binder and allow the powder to fuse into a solid part. The problem with MIM is that it's not suited to high impact or shearing stresses whereas sintering is at least adequate...the proof of which is all the post-64 Winchester carbines in service. Whether it would hold up to sustained, heavy use remains to be seen, but it's a sure bet that it'll be better than investment casting.

Overall fit and finish are very good to excellent. If I was in the market for a new 1911 pattern pistol, I'd certain;ly tale a long, hard look at the Turkish offering.
 
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That gun was being offered by PSA for $300 a week ago. šŸ˜³
 
Last Friday,...courtesy of our esteemed member, MacEntyre...I finally got a close look at a Tisas GI Model. Overall, I was impressed with the gun. There were a couple minor issues that were mainly aggravation and easily corrected...neither of which would be a deal breaker if I had an intention of buying one of the pistols.

On disassembly, the plunger assembly launched out of the plunger tube because the spring didn't have the required dogleg kink. I corrected it on the spot.

During reassembly, the slidestop presented a little problem due to the rear angle of the lug. I didn't correct that, but it's an easy fix should Mac decide to tackler it, and not a major problem to use a credit card to push the plunger back into the tube if he doesn't.

A little more extractor deflection than I like to see, but if it doesn't cause a problem with feed/RTB, it can be ignored, or easy to correct if it does.

The hammer hooks weren't bearing evenly on the sear crown. That became evident when I lightly boosted the hammer and the trigger immediately went from about 6-7 pounds to double that. More light boosting had it on its way to being equalized, and I'd say that a couple hundred rounds to let everything wear in and seat and Mac will end up with a clean 5-5.5 pound rollout trigger...perfect in my world for a duty gun.

As I said...minor gripes.

The oddest issue popped up when reassembling the frame. With the hammer full forward, the sear feet were kicked out, making installation of the mainspring housing impossible when the sear spring was installed. In order to get everything together, the hammer had to be placed in roughly the half cock position to allow the sear to reset correctly into the hammer. I don't know if this is a one-off, or representative...but it was at least present on this one. I didn't investigate further to determine they why of the glitch. Again, not a deal breaker for me, but something to be aware of just in case anyone else runs into it while detail stripping the frame.

None of the small parts were MIM. Neither did I find any evidence of investment casting. However, I also didn't see any evidence of machining or finish machining.

Puzzled, I looked as closely as my failing eyes would allow, and I did see some light surface porosity, and...after pondereing on that for some time after we parted company...I have to suspect that the parts are sintered. I didn't inspect the frame closely, so it's possible that it was also made via sintering. I assume that the slide was cut from barstock. Hopefully, the lessons learned by Essex and Thompson Auto Ordnance and relearned in the early days by RIA concerning cast slides weren't lost on Tisas.

Sintering is a viable process. Like MIM, it's powder metallurgy. It differs from MIM in that the material is heated to the lower critical line...just short of liquefaction...and formed under pressure to fuse the material. Post-64 Winchester Model 92/94 receivers are sintered, and I've never heard of any problems from them that could be related to strength or durability.

With MIM, the powder is mixed with a binder...injected into a mold...and "cooked" to burn off the binder and allow the powder to fuse into a solid part. The problem with MIM is that it's not suited to high impact or shearing stresses whereas sintering is at least adequate...the proof of which is all the post-64 Winchester carbines in service. Whether it would hold up to sustained, heavy use remains to be seen, but it's a sure bet that it'll be better than investment casting.

Overall fit and finish are very good to excellent. If I was in the market for a new 1911 pattern pistol, I'd certain;ly tale a long, hard look at the Turkish offering.
Thank you for sharing, I am hoping to pick one up sooner or later.
 
According to Tisas/SDS, all parts sans the recoil spring plus are machined from forgings or bar stock on all models since 2022.
 
I handled one of their higher end offerings ($700) at a LGS on the recommendation of so many others here. My only concern was the lock up.

I have owned maybe a dozen 1911s (which is to say, not many) and have learned just enough to be dangerous. I sorta reached that point where I at least have an inkling of what I donā€™t know. Which is a lot.

Anyway, I could bump the barrel hood down with my thumb quite visibly. Would this impact my accuracy inside 20 yards, which is where I typically shoot? Or create other ancillary issues longer term? I really have no idea. It just had more play in the lock up than any other 1911 Iā€™ve owned or handled from RIAs to Wilson. Maybe it was an outlier.
 
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According to Tisas/SDS, all parts sans the recoil spring plus are machined from forgings or bar stock on all models since 2022.
I saw no evidence of machining or finish machining on the small parts. I assume that the slide is machined. I didn't pay much attention to the frame because as long as all critical dimensions are within spec, the frame is neither here nor there. The slide and barrel assembly is the gun. The frame is the gun mount.
Anyway, I could bump the barrel hood down with my thumb quite visibly. Would this impact my accuracy inside 20 yards, which is where I typically shoot? Or create other ancillary issues longer term?
Aside from possibly a little vertical stringing, there are no real concerns. No issues long term unless you press the barrel down before each shot. At any rate, don't long link the barrel to tighten it up vertically. It's counter productive and can lead to problems due to delayed linkdown timing.
 
Good to know. My YouTube feed has been getting a bunch of reviews of their 2011. For under $700 it seems like a good toe dip into the 2011 market. Do you think a well run machine shop with quality CNC and attention to detail can produce quality 1911's without all the fiddling with the gun that most people do to get a quality 1911/2011? I always wondered if the design bred problems or it was simple a quality control issues on parts. You wouldn't think you need to hand fit a 1911 slide if the machining was done right in the first place for instance. I recall listening to Joe Chambers on Primary and Secondary podcasts talk about how they put together the 1911 and how much time it took a gunsmith to make a quality 1911 and i have to think that a lot of the fitment issues could be solved by quality machining and quality control.
 
I recall listening to Joe Chambers on Primary and Secondary podcasts talk about how they put together the 1911 and how much time it took a gunsmith to make a quality 1911 and i have to think that a lot of the fitment issues could be solved by quality machining and quality control.
You know a lot of that jive is ginned up to make you think you need stuff you don't need.
 
I saw no evidence of machining or finish machining on the small parts.

8. Does my Tisas Pistol contain any cast or MIM parts?
Tisas does not use any cast metal parts on our firearms. The use of quality MIM parts on some models was used in prior generations of our 1911 products but in mid-2022 we began moving away from use of those parts. Tisas models produced after 11/1/2022 contain machined internal parts with the exception of the recoil spring plug which will continue to be a MIM part at a time to be determined.


Tisas USA: There was so much derp in this thread we had to sign up to respond:
-Tisas meets all NATO-spec and CIP certifications for manufacturing small arms. US-bound firearms meet SAAMI spec.
-Barrels/slides/frames are hammer forged and heat treated/stress relieved and are regularly tested.
-Slides/frames are machined from pre-hardened steel to prevent warping from post-machine heat treat. This slows cutting times and eats tooling but yields a more consistent product.
-Tisas has eliminated MIM parts with the exception of the recoil spring plug, once any remaining parts inventories have been consumed. All current production are machined parts.
 
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I've tuned a lot of them into "cheap race 1911s" for people thinking about getting into the sport on a low budget.
Shoot mine in Wild Bunch. Has cheap finished issues and same things here and there but it works.
 
Tisas has eliminated MIM parts
And I didn't see any MIM parts. It's easy to spot. I did see light porosity on the surface of the sear, hammer, and disconnect. Are they sand blasting their machined parts prior to finishing?

I'm not a metallurgist, but I am a machinist.

Again...aside from the few minor issues that I mentioned...I was pretty impressed with the gun, and wouldn't hesitate to buy one if I was in the market for a new 1911.
 
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Thanks for posting John. I have a GI model that I have been extremely happy with. When it comes to 1911's, I really like the look of the classic GI style. Basic, no frills, looking ready for battle and not a BBQ.

Knowing that my sub $400 1911 passes your sniff test makes me happy.
 
Thanks for posting John. I have a GI model that I have been extremely happy with. When it comes to 1911's, I really like the look of the classic GI style. Basic, no frills, looking ready for battle and not a BBQ.

Knowing that my sub $400 1911 passes your sniff test makes me happy.
I only sold mine because the GI type sights were just too hard to use but otherwise it was an excellent .45
 
I have three of them. A stingray/.45 which I'll put up against anything out there in the sub $2000 market. Two of the Remington WWII clones,(under $400 delivered). They are fantastic pistols. My gunsmith and I took apart a GI model, and compared it part by part to a CMP/Remington model. All good. Short story, I'd buy another before I'd pay for another D.W., or Colt, etc. I have a lot of 1911's and a LOT of years shooting them, they're just good pistols. I put 500 rds thru that little Stingray recently, 2 ftf's, bad primers, not the gun.

You're correct, the GI sights are terrible, but we survived shooting them in the military. Easy to change out though.
 
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