Two Series 40 Jinsen Type 99 Arisakas

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First real post other than in the welcome thread. Thought I'd show off a couple examples of the rifle I like to collect most...the Arisaka.

Side-by-side with two Series 40 Jinsens. The Jinsen Arsenal in Occupied Korea (technically annexed) only produced a single Series of approximately 93,000 Type 99's from 1944-1945. While most arsenals produced multiple series, or hundreds of thousands of rifles (each Series was supposed to run from numbers 0-99,999), Jinsen began and ended their production with the Series 40. In just this one series, rifles went from having mostly all of the early war features, to mid war features, to substitute standard (last ditch) features.

On the left is a substitute standard model with a 57xxx serial number and on the right is its much sexier counterpart being made less than 39,000 serials before it (18xxx). The one on the right I just snagged at the Dixie gun show in Raleigh last November and features an intact Mum and an import mark on the barrel. And if you know anything about Japanese rifles, not many of them have import marks. No matter what, this particular rifle wasn't brought back by a G.I. at the end of the war and likely served in at least some capacity in Korea, China, Vietnam, etc. It is also next to impossible to find a Jinsen manufactured rifle with an intact Chrysanthemum. I kind of shudder to call anything of which tens of thousands were made rare, but in this case, the rifle on the right would be hard to call anything else.

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I have an early series (1 IIRC) Nagoya with intact mum, but mismatched bolt. It is a bringback, but I did not get the capture papers. The vet brought back the rifle and a Nambu. When he died, one grandson took the Nambu and the other took the Arisaka. Then, the one who took the Arisaka had to sell it because the wife had a fit over him having a gun. He was going to go sell it to a pawn shop that had offered him $100 for it, but I ran across it first. I also have an all matching early (don't remember off hand) series Toyo Kogyo with a ground mum that was also said to be a bringback, but there was no direct history/relationship between the veteran and the seller, so who really knows. Both rifles still have their original aircraft sights and monopods, but neither has its dust cover. I like shooting them, and they are both good shooters. The Arisaka is an awesome rifle, that is terribly underrated (and undervalued) by most collectors.
 
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I have an early series (1 IIRC) Nagoya with intact mum, but mismatched bolt. I also have an all matching early (don't remember off hand) series Toyo Kogyo with a ground mum. Both still have their original aircraft sights and monopods, but neither has its dust cover. The Arisaka is an awesome rifle, that is terribly underrated (and undervalued) by most collectors.
Very nice! I have yet to own a Toyo Kogyo so far, even though I've owned a total of nine in the past few years. I [only] have four at the moment. These two, a No Series Nagoya T99 Long Rifle, and a 20th Series Kokura with all the fixins.

While I agree with you that they're still utterly underrated, in the past couple years they've just about quadrupled in value.. seemingly far more of a rise than most other milsurps. I got my Kokura only 4 years ago and it was $350 (came with a bayo and everything). I was convinced I overpayed and at the time, I think I did. But now that same rifle will sell for well over $1k. Which is nuts to me.. but oh well.
 
They have risen a lot in the last 5 years. They used to sell for under $100 and would sit and gather dust for $200, even if complete. Then, they were hard to sell at all for a while because the ammo went completely off the market. Heck, I have never paid more than $200 for one. And honestly, there are very few of them out there that I would pay much more money for, regardless. This is not a knock on them, just that I am not a dedicated collector of these rifles and there are still a LOT of them out there to be found. And - as you noted in your first post - there are very few that are actually "rare" or special. It is good to see them finally getting some recognition in the marketplace, but it would have to be a VERY rare or special rifle, completely original with verified and documented war history for me to pay $1k for it.

Now if we were talking about a Type 97 or Type 2, then all bets are off!:cool:
 
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They have risen a lot in the last 5 years. They used to sell for under $100 and would sit and gather dust for $200, even if complete. Then, they were hard to sell at all for a while because the ammo went completely off the market. Heck, I have never paid more than $200 for one. And honestly, there are very few of them out there that I would pay much more money for, regardless. This is not a knock on them, just that I am not a dedicated collector of these rifles and there are still a LOT of them out there to be found. And - as you noted in your first post - there are very few that are actually "rare" or special. It is good to see them finally getting some recognition in the marketplace, but it would have to be a VERY rare or special rifle, completely original with verified and documented war history for me to pay $1k for it.

Now if we were talking about a Type 97 or Type 2, then all bets are off!:cool:
I completely agree with everything you said. As much as I know some of them will go for a ton of money, as good of rifles as most of them are, I still have a hard time thinking of them as things I'd pay a bunch for. And plenty of deals are out there still from people like you and I who are in that frame of mind.

And likewise, if we're talking truly scarce stuff, $1k+ is well within what I'm willing to spend. Type 2, Type 30, and a numbers matching and complete Type 44 are all things I'd spend that for.
 
I'd like to have a late substitute standard rifle just for contrast. And I'd love to find an original rope hole. But honestly, I am on the downslope of collecting now. I see a lot of stuff pop up that I would have bought immediately 10 years ago, and I just let it pass - even if it is a steal. Nowadays, unless it is something outstanding or if it is something I am going to shoot a LOT, it is just not worth tying up the money. Luckily, I got into the C&R hobby back when the marketplace was still full of all sorts of stuff at reasonable prices. I still miss calling and speaking to the "English as a Second Language" lady at SAMCO Global...
 
I saw a picture once of Japanese POWs post VJ day under U.S. supervision dumping literal boat loads of Arisaka rifles into Tokyo bay to get rid of them. It is amazing how many rifles survived considering attrition, dumping in the ocean, abandoned overseas in China and Southeast Asia. Japanese forces continued in combat post VJ day under the command of the British fighting Indonesian insurgents in Java. The Japanese forces were equipped and armed just as they had been pre surrender. I imagine their arms also went into the ocean when they were repatriated to Japan.

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I have an early three digit serial number Series 40 Jinsen Type 99 that still has the screws staked and the Crome lined barrel still looks new. The early rifles seem to me to be well made and have stood up very well for their age and past history.
 
I've bought and sold a few of these over the years. Nagoya's mostly. I had a Nagoya Type 99 Long, a couple of 7 series and a Type 26 revolver.

Currently, I have a Series 8 Nagoya T99, matching with staked screws, a Series 5 Nagoya T38 carbine, matching, a curiously matching Kokura T38 (I forgot which series) and a mix master no series Koishikawa T38, made about 1921.

I have a few T30 bayonets including a very early no series Nagoya with a 4 digit serial number, and an early no series Tokyo with a low 5 digit serial number.
 
Is the pod original or repro? Matching dust cover and bolt? What series and arsenal?
Not reproduction mono it's also a real dust cover but the 3 digit on the dust cover does not match the rifle if I remember correctly. Also side note I put some string off of surplus 54r ammo packs that held the paper packs together to help minimize any further damage from the mono pod since I notice it does leave rub marks etc on the rifle from over time of on and off also nice aesthetic look haha.


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Not reproduction mono it's also a real dust cover but the 3 digit on the dust cover does not match the rifle if I remember correctly. Also side note I put some string off of surplus 54r ammo packs that held the paper packs together to help minimize any further damage from the mono pod since I notice it does leave rub marks etc on the rifle from over time of on and off also nice aesthetic look haha.


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Nice. I was finally able to take my 8th series Nagoya to a range last fall. I would need a 4x8 sheet of plywood at 50 yards to see where it's hitting. Most of these were "sighted" for 300 meters. You can always tell the ones that originally had monopods on them from the bruising on the wood. Too bad about the front sight ears but you can replace the front sight.

Next time I'm able to get mine out, one of my T38s or T38 carbine will get to the range.
 
My rifle actually shoots really great I love the feel of firing and running this rifle wish I had more ammo so the little I have left been saving. Also wish I could afford more variants! So Ive been never been a hundred percent which version type99 I have. I know it's a early war version?
 
Mine. Took it all apart after first assembled pic and cleaned then applied linseed oil to stock

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My rifle actually shoots really great I love the feel of firing and running this rifle wish I had more ammo so the little I have left been saving. Also wish I could afford more variants! So Ive been never been a hundred percent which version type99 I have. I know it's a early war version?
I started reloading for mine.
 
My rifle actually shoots really great I love the feel of firing and running this rifle wish I had more ammo so the little I have left been saving. Also wish I could afford more variants! So Ive been never been a hundred percent which version type99 I have. I know it's a early war version?
20th series. Kokura arsenal. Kokura produced the 20th through the 25th series starting in 1939. Yours is fairly early.

If you're not familiar with the Japanese serial number, they started with 0 or no number and went to 99,999 at which point they started over but with a character preceding the number. The character is a number. Certain arsenals were assigned serial number blocks. Kokura had the 20-25 series for the T99
 
20th series. Kokura arsenal. Kokura produced the 20th through the 25th series starting in 1939. Yours is fairly early.

If you're not familiar with the Japanese serial number, they started with 0 or no number and went to 99,999 at which point they started over but with a character preceding the number. The character is a number. Certain arsenals were assigned serial number blocks. Kokura had the 20-25 series for the T99
Awesome thanks for that! I figured I had a early rifle I tried researching in the past but ran into info that I was not 100% on so not sure. Appreciate it
 
I need to learn and buy the start up to do so. Honestly I don't know where to begin.
Look for the Lee Hand press starter kit. It'll run about $65. Then get a set of 7.7 Japanese dies, a reloading manual (paper or online), a good digital scale and a decent set of calipers. You can make 7.7 Japanese brass from 30-06 brass - the directions are online in various places.
 
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Look for the Lee Hand press starter kit. It'll run about $65. Then get a set of 6.5 dies, a reloading manual (paper or online), a good digital scale and a decent set of calipers. You can make 7.7 Japanese brass from 30-06 brass - the directions are online in various places.
So 7.7 jp ammo you need 6.5 dies?? Ok thanks for info!
 
Well, you need 7.7 Jap dies for 7.7 Jap ammo. But you get the idea. And you need the whole set of dies, not just the crimper.
 
I would not suggest the lee hand primer. I would go with the Lee Challenger press. It’s not much more and it will be a lot easier on your hands. You can prob pick one up cheaper in our classifieds. Find 7.7 brass, don’t change over 30-06 unless you have a way to cut them down and there are issues with primer pocket.
 
Check out this package in Craigslist. It looks to be a pretty good deal in a lot of stuff you will need. What you don’t need you can sell.

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I need a Type 38 Carbine stock. I got a sporterized one off of a member here years ago. Anyone know where I can find one? I don't see them anywhere.
 
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