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And you base that statement on what? Let me ask if you were in danger would you not call a cop because they all only have a hammer? Let me tell you this much. At my age I have never had a single confrontation with a cop that I did not ask for. I have had cops give me a break when I absolutely did not deserve one. They just had a streak of mercy and perhaps remember a time when they were on the other side of the badge. All cops are not out driving nails. This world would be horrible without them. My proof is simple. Look at the west coast including the Pacific Northwest. Defund the police and their police free zones man that is working out so good isn't it? Have you ever saw a cop rightfully have to shoot someone to protect themself or an innocent other? I have saw them come apart unglued because they had to do that because it was their job and they did not want to die so that a criminal could live on to do it again. I totally disagree with your statement. Are all cops good....no. Are all cops bad....no. But guess what all criminals are bad....
Precisely why I now have a Dremel in addition to a hammer. 🤓
I don't expect cops to protect me from danger.
I can only guess that maybe he was worried a sudden movement might get him shot or that she would pouce if he moved. People do crazy stuff when they are scared.
Agreed. From the news story it seems the guy may have very well been an innocent victim. There are many cases where the “victim “ of domestic violence is actually the perpetrator. He seemed to be calm, she certainly wasn’t.
Some figures say a taser is effective about 50%. Too close it does not work well. There needs to be a spread between the probes and if they both do not make good penetration which can be affected by thick clothes and jewelry. Think of a taser fired and one probe hits a leather belt or belt buckle. Criminals would love to see police armed with sling shots firing marshmallows and cotton pillows I am sure. Those politicians, lawyers and miscreants that support and live off of criminals and their activity feel pretty much the same way.
If you are armed and in danger if there is not a cop standing there already its best not to wait. Have you heard the training statement that says self defense situations are over in seconds. Cops are minutes away at best 99% of the time.
We are judging the results here, not the integrity of the acts that brought them about. Very few here have mentioned the fact if she had put the knife down and stood back she would be alive today. Ultimately she is in the wrong, not the cops.
So bottom line to bury this. You believe the cop should not have shot the lady? I mean if its all philosophical that's one thing but refer back to the title of this post. There is no correct answer. If a ccp uses force criminals and their sympathizers and the lawyers who will lose money by that particular person being taken out of the court system will whine and moan and cry brutality. I agree there is nothing wrong with having options to not using guns. Read what someone else wrote because its true. They had batons and people whined too brutal. The would physicallly atack them and that was too brutal. Lets fast forward to the end desire which I believe is to have a police force like they have in London. No guns and if they need a gun to do a job they have to call a specially authorized officer to bring a gun. It takes a special kind of criminal to be willing to wait for a gun to arrive on the scene does it not?. Police dog....wont work because nambys will say its either cruel to the criminal or the dog....or both. There is no answer that will suit people short of anarchy. When that happens and its a mobs rule society they will be screaming why aren't the cops armed? LMAO...too funny
No. I wish the cop had not shot the lady.
Go back to the concept of AOJ, obviously in this case in defense of another. Were the concepts of AOJ met? If so, then yes, valid shoot, if not, then no.
And if the lady had pounced over and killed the man with the knife the same people who are against the shooting would be saying "why did they not stop her, they had every chance to stop her" I seriously wonder how many critics here have taken any sort of self-defense training whatsover? Does anyone remember the 21foot rule or is that rule only good they are the one in danger? By every legal and moral and common sense application that was a justified shooting. I can tell you one for sure that isn ot complaining and that is the man on the floor that could have been killed quicker than a blink of any eye.
Absolutely it did. Did she have ability to use that knife on the man in the floor....YES.. You see it does not matter what that man did or did not do. He was not a threat anymore
Good question, which is why I raised the AOJ question. If this can be articulated successfully as meeting that standard then it should be adjudicated as a good shoot. The same standard should apply for you, I, or any cop.
It being in LA is a big snag. They often go totally against all law knowing that it will have to progress up through the courts. They employ tactics like charging cops even when the laws are clearly on their side. Then they will bargain with officers and police departments with things such as "we can drop it if the officer resigns".
Good point. The system has been abused. Unfortunately, in both directions.
So be quiet and keep my opinion to myself in fear of some old guard not approving? That's kind of like some line from Grumpy Old Men. I put my opinion out there. I also doubt seriously you are any official spokesperson for any particular group. I have been doing this awhile too, just not here. I think I brought out valid points with no sensible counterpoint to be found. That put a pebble in the saddle I am sure...
