What ammo would you carry in your .40 cal and why?

let’s all take a step back.

@Bigbore5 , welcome. We’re glad you’re here.

this forum has a hard core group of members that have been together for years - 10+ for many of us. Think of it as your “crew” at the VFW. When a new guy wanders in and jumps in the middle of the flow, it’s a bit unsettling, right? You gotta ease your way in, get to know the etiquette and learn who the players are. Then, join in the convo with a tidbit here or there.
 
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If you read the description, it is an extension of the enlisted 35M. During the US involvement in Somalia, I was still a noncom. We accompanied most raids to collect hard intel and for field evaluation and assessment. Everyone has heard about one bad day. Every raid, up to two or three a day where in hot zones. The Rangers did the heavy stuff, but if it kicked off, everyone did their part. After WO school, the designation changed from 35 to 351. And it is not a rear position. Mostly you will be assigned to operational units. The administration is full commissioned officers.
Anyone who has even the slightest clue about how things like this work in the military is probably rolling their eyes as hard as I am right now........

Dude, you are an absolute poser. This is an awesome forum and community. My advice to you is to knock off the ridiculous claims and quit trying to impress everyone, no one is, I assure, and start trying to be a productive member.
 
Apologies for the grief... you’ll have to learn how to take us just as much as we’ll have to learn how to take you. Whike there’s not much chest thumping on this site, there is a ton of knowledge and friendly folks who are more than happy to share it. Welcome to CFF.
 
Actually smartass I served as a 351M for 20 years. If you're too stupid to look up MOS numbers, then obviously you are too stupid to be posting about shit you know nothing about. You might think you are some hot shot keyboard warrior but you come out looking like a jackass when you don't know who you are talking to.

Don’t worry, I have no interest in knowing anything about you.
I know and shoot with plenty of badasses already (ft Bragg is here). My commando quota is all full. And not a single one goes onto the internet gun forums and brags about their kills.
 
Interesting. Kinda moot right now, it's not like you can run out and grab a box.

 
I got interested in this forum because I thought it was a group of stand up guys who were willing to share their various experiences with other people so we could all learn. I know thete are veterans on here who have seen and done far more than I ever did.
I posted my observation of the real performance of the 9mm. Just because some people chose not to serve or were lucky enough to avoid being ordered into a combat zone, doesn't meen that other people were and are there.
I rarely mentioned anything to anyone. My wife said she was proud of me for opening up some. Now she knows why I don't usually talk to people outside of the vfw.

There is a certain edge here. Hang around and see how it goes. I have been abused for being the Yankee transplant that thinks the NC B’cue is overrated and they haven’t killed me yet. A few would like to, but I’m not worth their time. So setting a low bar is important here. You can do it!
 
There is a certain edge here. Hang around and see how it goes. I have been abused for being the Yankee transplant that thinks the NC B’cue is overrated and they haven’t killed me yet. A few would like to, but I’m not worth their time. So setting a low bar is important here. You can do it!
Just shoot him in the knee.
 
Glad I poured a drink before reading this one, not often we get one thread with two guys not talking at each other and both going into the ground at full power.

@Tim perfect analogy.

Welcome to the new guys!
Jim
 
Don’t worry, I have no interest in knowing anything about you.
I know and shoot with plenty of badasses already (ft Bragg is here). My commando quota is all full. And not a single one goes onto the internet gun forums and brags about their kills.

I straight up mauled a Chinese buffet one time. And yeah I brag about it whenever the opportunity presents itself.
 
I straight up mauled a Chinese buffet one time. And yeah I brag about it whenever the opportunity presents itself.
Chinese Buffet Manager at 2PM: “YOU BEE HE-AH FO-UH OW-WAH. YOU LEEVE NOW!!"
 
Just shoot him in the knee.
..as he approaches you..,unarmed with a knife.
I straight up mauled a Chinese buffet one time. And yeah I brag about it whenever the opportunity presents itself.
I ate 10 tacos at Taco Bell one time after hanging out with Hector. I ended up in Debo's pigeon coop in my underwear sweatin' like a slave. The only one that could get me out was my mama.
 
And remember ...there is a CFFr that was in on the initial experiments involving what eventually became THIS round..... Guess Who????

In 2006 JD and I worked with the original version of the fluid moving penetrator bullet you see today. At the time it was a 451 gr .500 caliber bullet I used in 50 B&M. It did a great job in the test work, and later in 2007 I took it buffalo hunting in Zimbabwe and shot buffalo with it.

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That has been a long time ago, and I went a different way with CEB, I am not sure how much input JD had with Lehigh to develop the current versions of the Extreme Penetrator and Extreme Defense bullets mentioned above, but I dare say quite a bit. Todays Lehigh Penetrators are truly EXTREME, they do what they say they are going to do, and the greatest thing of all, you have the penetration to go along with it, something you do not get with conventional soft point premium bullets, regardless of caliber. I don't own a 40 caliber anything, but I load both 9mm and 45 ACP with the Lehigh Penetrators. They work, and you can consider them a Magic Bullet, that actually does what it is advertised to do.

Today, if I were not retired from buffalo hunting, I would use the new Extreme Penetrators for that mission in both .500 caliber and .458 caliber Rifles..................

Our test medium here is far tougher on bullets than Gel. Fairly typical penetration of a Conventional expanding bullet in 45 ACP or 9mm is around 4-6 inches max.
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The 120 gr Lehigh Extreme defense or penetrator, I forget which it is called, creates just as much trauma in the test medium, and penetration is much better........

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I have two more Favorite Magic Bullets in 45 ACP and 9mm, from Cutting Edge Bullets.............

The 150 Raptor........ Absolutely WICKED trauma inflicted to test medium..........A Raptor has "Blades" that shear off the main bullet at 1.5-2 inches of terminal penetration. Those blades cut, slice and dice their way through tissue or test medium working close with the center bullet for 2-3 inches after shear. As tissue or medium expands from center, the blades are slicing and dicing. That tissue is destroyed and will not close back up. After this, the blades work away from center, and become secondary projectiles on their own, while the center slug/bullet acts like a full caliber solid and continues to penetrate straight. This is no gimmick, its real, it works in all calibers and in rifles its extreme, I have shot 100s of animals with these in rifles, and its the same time after time, caliber after caliber, regardless of rifle, or cartridge. Handguns work exactly the same way............They have a little help with shear because of the cuts in the nose, this allows shear down to 800 fps impacts........This is another Magic Bullet that is real........

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Raptors come from Solids...... I designed this with the rifle versions. When hunting buffalo, it is very desirable for the #1 or First shot to be a trauma inflicting bullet. You want to inflict the most trauma you can to solve the problem as quickly as possible. But with buffalo you always follow up with Solids, to pay the insurance in case your First bullet does not do the job. After you open that dance, it must be finished. You do not stop shooting until you cannot shoot any longer, or the problem is solved, and even then, you shoot again. The big solids are insurance policies. Your followup scenario is a short list, you will either be facing a buffalo coming at you, or running through thick brush, and or shooting the south end of a north bound buffalo. For this, you want Penetration, deep, and dead straight no matter what it encounters, which means a properly designed solid.................

When the Raptors were designed for big bore rifles, I felt like if we just simply took the Solid and punched a big hollow cavity in it that using the same load, then they should be in the same hole at 50 Yards. Despite the loss of weight, the bullet would be the same length, and have exactly the same bearing surface as its parent bullet the solid, I theorized at the time this would be the same POI. It worked, and was true, despite the lesser weight of the Raptor. Same Load, Same exact hole or POI at 50 yards.

I like the concept, I have used it literally 100s of times in the field when hunting Dangerous Game. I carry that same concept over to my home defense handguns............ In 45 ACP here is my choice for a solid, a 67% meplat 200 gr Copper bullet. This bullet is the parent bullet for the 150 Raptor...............

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Those are my Magic Handgun Bullets by Lehigh and CEB...................

Feed and Function?............. This is #1 Priority..........

Out of everything tested, I have had NO Firearm give any issues with the Lehigh bullets, never a failure to feed in many different 45 ACP and 9mm guns. I have had One 45 ACP that bobbled once with a 150 Raptor, I still have that gun, but it is loaded fully with Lehigh and the 200 FN Solids. I have one firearm that does not like the 200 Solids, so it gets a mag full of Lehighs.................

I also am not afraid to mix a magazine, 150 Raptor up top, followed by a couple of Lehighs, followed by 200 Solids.................. I will only do that if I am confident the gun works, feeds, functions with all...............

I do indeed love Magic Bullets, and for those who don't know or realize, above I was only jerking by best friends chain a bit, as I normally do anyway............. LOL.....................
 
Interesting choice, must have been the Spaten, because in my experience I used the 12mm Glasers with excellent results in Antarctica and personally shot 37 eskimos with it and they were all DRT! Instant Tango down.
You must have your fantasies mixed up. Antarctica is were the German Nazis went in their UFOs to set up the underground launch facilities to establish their moon base. The Eskimos were the first line of defense with the DEW line. They were supposed to take video and audio recordings of all the Russian planes they saw and use their wireless telegraphs that they were issued to let Washington know what they saw.

😉
 
In 2006 JD and I worked with the original version of the fluid moving penetrator bullet you see today. At the time it was a 451 gr .500 caliber bullet I used in 50 B&M. It did a great job in the test work, and later in 2007 I took it buffalo hunting in Zimbabwe and shot buffalo with it.

DSC01005-S.jpg


DSC01007-S.jpg



That has been a long time ago, and I went a different way with CEB, I am not sure how much input JD had with Lehigh to develop the current versions of the Extreme Penetrator and Extreme Defense bullets mentioned above, but I dare say quite a bit. Todays Lehigh Penetrators are truly EXTREME, they do what they say they are going to do, and the greatest thing of all, you have the penetration to go along with it, something you do not get with conventional soft point premium bullets, regardless of caliber. I don't own a 40 caliber anything, but I load both 9mm and 45 ACP with the Lehigh Penetrators. They work, and you can consider them a Magic Bullet, that actually does what it is advertised to do.

Today, if I were not retired from buffalo hunting, I would use the new Extreme Penetrators for that mission in both .500 caliber and .458 caliber Rifles..................

Our test medium here is far tougher on bullets than Gel. Fairly typical penetration of a Conventional expanding bullet in 45 ACP or 9mm is around 4-6 inches max.
DSC02413-XL.jpg


The 120 gr Lehigh Extreme defense or penetrator, I forget which it is called, creates just as much trauma in the test medium, and penetration is much better........

DSCN4034-XL.jpg


DSCN4072-L.jpg


I have two more Favorite Magic Bullets in 45 ACP and 9mm, from Cutting Edge Bullets.............

The 150 Raptor........ Absolutely WICKED trauma inflicted to test medium..........A Raptor has "Blades" that shear off the main bullet at 1.5-2 inches of terminal penetration. Those blades cut, slice and dice their way through tissue or test medium working close with the center bullet for 2-3 inches after shear. As tissue or medium expands from center, the blades are slicing and dicing. That tissue is destroyed and will not close back up. After this, the blades work away from center, and become secondary projectiles on their own, while the center slug/bullet acts like a full caliber solid and continues to penetrate straight. This is no gimmick, its real, it works in all calibers and in rifles its extreme, I have shot 100s of animals with these in rifles, and its the same time after time, caliber after caliber, regardless of rifle, or cartridge. Handguns work exactly the same way............They have a little help with shear because of the cuts in the nose, this allows shear down to 800 fps impacts........This is another Magic Bullet that is real........

DSC02383-L.jpg


DSC02400-XL.jpg


Raptors come from Solids...... I designed this with the rifle versions. When hunting buffalo, it is very desirable for the #1 or First shot to be a trauma inflicting bullet. You want to inflict the most trauma you can to solve the problem as quickly as possible. But with buffalo you always follow up with Solids, to pay the insurance in case your First bullet does not do the job. After you open that dance, it must be finished. You do not stop shooting until you cannot shoot any longer, or the problem is solved, and even then, you shoot again. The big solids are insurance policies. Your followup scenario is a short list, you will either be facing a buffalo coming at you, or running through thick brush, and or shooting the south end of a north bound buffalo. For this, you want Penetration, deep, and dead straight no matter what it encounters, which means a properly designed solid.................

When the Raptors were designed for big bore rifles, I felt like if we just simply took the Solid and punched a big hollow cavity in it that using the same load, then they should be in the same hole at 50 Yards. Despite the loss of weight, the bullet would be the same length, and have exactly the same bearing surface as its parent bullet the solid, I theorized at the time this would be the same POI. It worked, and was true, despite the lesser weight of the Raptor. Same Load, Same exact hole or POI at 50 yards.

I like the concept, I have used it literally 100s of times in the field when hunting Dangerous Game. I carry that same concept over to my home defense handguns............ In 45 ACP here is my choice for a solid, a 67% meplat 200 gr Copper bullet. This bullet is the parent bullet for the 150 Raptor...............

DSC04804-S.jpg


Those are my Magic Handgun Bullets by Lehigh and CEB...................

Feed and Function?............. This is #1 Priority..........

Out of everything tested, I have had NO Firearm give any issues with the Lehigh bullets, never a failure to feed in many different 45 ACP and 9mm guns. I have had One 45 ACP that bobbled once with a 150 Raptor, I still have that gun, but it is loaded fully with Lehigh and the 200 FN Solids. I have one firearm that does not like the 200 Solids, so it gets a mag full of Lehighs.................

I also am not afraid to mix a magazine, 150 Raptor up top, followed by a couple of Lehighs, followed by 200 Solids.................. I will only do that if I am confident the gun works, feeds, functions with all...............

I do indeed love Magic Bullets, and for those who don't know or realize, above I was only jerking by best friends chain a bit, as I normally do anyway............. LOL.....................

Between you and John Travis I always learn something when yall post.
 
You must have your fantasies mixed up. Antarctica is were the German Nazis went in their UFOs to set up the underground launch facilities to establish their moon base. The Eskimos were the first line of defense with the DEW line. They were supposed to take video and audio recordings of all the Russian planes they saw and use their wireless telegraphs that they were issued to let Washington know what they saw.

😉
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..as he approaches you..,unarmed with a knife.

I ate 10 tacos at Taco Bell one time after hanging out with Hector. I ended up in Debo's pigeon coop in my underwear sweatin' like a slave. The only one that could get me out was my mama.
Can you start a new thread about this? This sounds like a good story.
 
Noted.
🙂
I am happy to report that of all the places where I might have been a big, fat, meany on the interwebz last night, this thread was not one of them.

As far as I can recall anyway.
 
I got interested in this forum because I thought it was a group of stand up guys who were willing to share their various experiences with other people so we could all learn. I know thete are veterans on here who have seen and done far more than I ever did.
It is a good place with lots of good people
But you gotta admit you're a bit of a legend on the internet gun forums. Then again, your legendary stuff was from a LONG time ago and the internet really was a slightly different place back then.

My advice to you is to knock off the ridiculous claims and quit trying to impress everyone, no one is, I assure, and start trying to be a productive member.
And my advice to EVERYBODY is to be very careful about any picture @Derek8404 posts when you've only seen the top half. Temper your expectations, take a deep breath, and find something soft to bite on (perhaps a pillow) before continuing to scroll down.

There is a certain edge here. Hang around and see how it goes. I have been abused for being the Yankee transplant that thinks the NC B’cue is overrated and they haven’t killed me yet. A few would like to, but I’m not worth their time. So setting a low bar is important here. You can do it!
I'm throwing the BS flag on this one. Like, if this were football, every ref would find a brown flag to throw.
I'm constantly reminding people that I grew up in the north and nobody cares. You just say some stuff that makes us all look bad.
But any sauce with that much vinegar really is nasty though. If I wanted that, i'd have spent my dating days with a whole different ... never mind.
 
It is a good place with lots of good people
But you gotta admit you're a bit of a legend on the internet gun forums. Then again, your legendary stuff was from a LONG time ago and the internet really was a slightly different place back then.


And my advice to EVERYBODY is to be very careful about any picture @Derek8404 posts when you've only seen the top half. Temper your expectations, take a deep breath, and find something soft to bite on (perhaps a pillow) before continuing to scroll down.


I'm throwing the BS flag on this one. Like, if this were football, every ref would find a brown flag to throw.
I'm constantly reminding people that I grew up in the north and nobody cares. You just say some stuff that makes us all look bad.
But any sauce with that much vinegar really is nasty though. If I wanted that, i'd have spent my dating days with a whole different ... never mind.

Brown flag? Quite the football expert I see. You must be a Jets fan or something and haven’t seen many games. 😁
 
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