What is the Vegas line on when every state but CA repeals their EV mandates?

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I'm going with 2027. The people are waking up to the fact that EV mandates have nothing to do with "going green." It is about going Red, communist red.
The true goal is to eliminate 90% of all privately owned vehicles. Politicians are not concerned about increasing the grid capacity because they know what their goal is. They do not want, nor expect, that private vehicle sales will stay the same unit volume as today, just all EV. They fully expect the number of privately owned vehicles to drop by 90% because the only those in the top 10% will be able to afford one EV. Personally, we've never had a total value of the cars in the driveway equal the cost of one EV.
People get into discussions about the grid and charge times. But the truth is that is immaterial to why the rulers pushed this.
It is also why they will repeal the mandates everywhere but CA well before 2030. Automakers will start ramping back up ICE car production before that. Before that , though, there will be a huge jump in used car prices as fewer new ICE are are available, just like during peak COVID.
That is going to anger the formerly reliable democrat base of dependent class. At least they can still afford cars now. Soon, as planned, they won't even be able to afford a moped.
 
I am just waiting for the rolling blackouts in CA. The governor just made a speech about going totally electric on cars and now he is saying don't charge them because of the heat wave. How stupid is that? The grid will not supply all those EV in many places across the US. Wait till you have to pay to charge those things at the currently free stations. It is going to get interesting. I am planning on keeping my 06 CRV and 86 Isuzu PUP for the foseeable future. Tax paid on miles driven is coming wait and see. There is no free lunch when it comes to paying for energy.
 
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Pretty comical that, just days after announcing the EV mandate, CA utilities are asking people not to charge their EVs. 😂
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It's almost like mandating electric cars in a state that every year has a massive shortfall of power when it's hot would put more stress on a failing power grid and is a dumb idea lol
 
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pikepole20 said:
I am just waiting for the rolling blackouts in CA. The governor just made a speech about going totally electric on cars and now he is saying don't charge them because of the heat wave. How stupid is that? The grid will not supply all those EV in many places across the US. Wait till you have to pay to charge those things at the currently free stations. It is going to get interesting. I am planning on keeping my 06 CRV and 86 Isuzu PUP for the foseeable future. Tax paid on miles driven is coming wait and see. There is no free lunch when it comes to paying for energy.
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A friend, retired mechanic and kinda strange in a good way, has a daily driver that’s a late 70’s VW Rabbit Diesel with he says 400k on it. It is oxidized white with tan vinyl interior and nothing but a heater and AM radio. He gets over 40 mpg and the little car holds 20 gallons of diesel … he can drive to the beach, around for the week and back on one tank with extra to spare.

He has his “new car” an early 80’ Mercedes 300TD station wagon he is completely rebuilding. It only has like a 150k on it which is just getting started for that generation Mercedes. Since it’s almost 40 years old he’s setting it up with “antique” plates & insurance so no inspections and less expensive insurance. He’s doing something to allow it to burn a wider range of fuel sources … I’m guessing anything from biodiesel to Ag fuel … so he can skirt some gooberment restrictions.

He is gathering parts for an engine swap (gas to diesel) on sweet late 60’s F-100 and take the same path on possible gooberment BS.
 
CA and Biden demand 50% of new cars sold by 2030 be electric. The only way that happens is if total vehicle sales plummet by 70-80%, and shutting down 80-90% of US auto manufacturing.
CA, and the true power mad will then begin calling for a ban on registering any ICE powered vehicle, no matter how small. Why? Because used car prices will skyrocket, auto theft and straight up killing drivers to take their now highly valuable cars will skyrocket. Hence the need to ban registering ICE cars to "reduce violent crime."
 
The proof is the shutting down of nuclear power plants. Nuclear power plants only solve the energy problems, not the social ones. Without mandates, infrastructure improvement was on pace to match EV roll-outs (just like A/C demands on the grid as central air gradually rolled out, but was not mandated for new construction).
 
California's EV mandate will decimate the used car market as it is. You won't find anything available locally, because CA dealerships will pay a huge premium to transport them in from out of state and mark them up even more.

Timeline will largely be dependent on the pushback from the utilities and the price of natural gas. At some point, legislature will also have to realize the immense cost of BESS technology and its implementation/reliability issues when trying to do what spinning reserve from a frequency-sync'd turbine does presently with no added cost.
 
When CA made the EV mandate, I would have liked to have seen all the car dealerships say that they will immediately no longer sell or service non EV models. Go ahead and give them what they want a little early.
 
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California's EV mandate will decimate the used car market as it is. You won't find anything available locally, because CA dealerships will pay a huge premium to transport them in from out of state and mark them up even more.

Timeline will largely be dependent on the pushback from the utilities and the price of natural gas. At some point, legislature will also have to realize the immense cost of BESS technology and its implementation/reliability issues when trying to do what spinning reserve from a frequency-sync'd turbine does presently with no added cost.
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There is a limit to what used cars can be imported to CA. Pickup trucks with engines built before 2010 cannot be registered in CA. Any car that has an engine rebuild done must meet current emissions and have a require rivet pattern on the fender denoting the engine change.
CA will be moving to ban registering cars older than a certain model year and ban storing any unregistered car. (NJ did that a awhile back. Jay Leno moved from NJ over that.)
But there will be a giant sucking sound as mandate state gobble up used cars they are banned too. Car thieves are going to get more aggressive as the reward side of the Risk/Reward equation tilts toward higher reward.
Used car prices will be more insane than the COVID peak.
 
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Yep and those left won’t be able to escape because e-vehicles can’t tow a UHaul far enough the leave the state.
 
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