White House says Biden is prepared to issue executive orders on guns

Majicmike said:
I don’t care anymore,, been hearing this shit for 40yrs. I don’t get worked up anymore. If they did try to take them 95% of people would give them up without a word. I’m getting old, it they are finally going to do it,, let’s get it over with.
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I personally think you have that backwards, I'd say more like 5% would. Take a look at the Australian "buy back" for example. Both of our guesses are just pure speculation though.

Personally, I see it going down another way. They are banned. People don't give them up. Then it's just a slow erosion. You get pulled over for a speeding ticket and you're found to be on the "list". You get taken into "protective custody" while a search is then made of your home. Offending weapons found, then off to the reeducation camp for you. Every police officer out there knows what will eventually happen if they start "collection raids".
 
This seems like posturing. If you look closely at the wording. It is a warning and it is signaling to the Left that they are prepared to do something which will appease many of them for now.

“one of the levers that we can use ... to help address the prevalence of gun violence and address community safety around the country.”

It is a shot across the bow to Congress that if they don't act he will using EO. It is a political move to put pressure on Congress. I don't think it will work. Unfortunately they will go after the filibuster before they use EO. As it has been stated over and over here WV Joe is the gatekeeper at this point. EOs will be the last resort because they can be removed by the next sitting President. If they go the EO route is will be narrow in focus and impact. It will allow them to say look I did something about "gun violence". It won't be enforceable and it most won't comply. Think bump stocks. If they can change the filibuster then they can pass lasting legislation. That is where we should really be concerned. IMHO
 
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Friday said:
I'm bettin that number is closer to 172 million.
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Yeah, lots of people are owners without really admitting to it
Meet America's gun super-owners – with an average of 17 firearms each
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I got 5 handguns i'm working on sitting next to me, along with an AR pistol that i'm messing with sitting there too.
17 is rookie numbers.
 
I'm bettin that number is closer to 172 million.
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Could be. It seems it all depends on whether the stats are coming from the left or the right.

According to a 2018 report the SAS estimates that American civilians own 393 million guns. I am sure it is many more by now.
 
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DrScaryGuy said:
Yeah, lots of people are owners without really admitting to it
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Just up visiting my dad after his surgery, sitting around on the porch with his neighbors in their 55 and over community. With 5 people there (hope we weren't over some limit on gatherings! :) ) we had 4 gun owners, 3 CCW licenses, and the last one was a... "my husband has the gun in the family" type.

I must hang out with a rough crowd.
 
Jayne said:
Just up visiting my dad after his surgery, sitting around on the porch with his neighbors in their 55 and over community. With 5 people there (hope we weren't over some limit on gatherings! :) ) we had 4 gun owners, 3 CCW licenses, and the last one was a... "my husband has the gun in the family" type.

I must hang out with a rough crowd.
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And I always wanted to find a restaurant like this ...

 
DrScaryGuy said:
Yeah, lots of people are owners without really admitting to it
Meet America's gun super-owners – with an average of 17 firearms each
tenor.gif

I got 5 handguns i'm working on sitting next to me, along with an AR pistol that i'm messing with sitting there too.
17 is rookie numbers.
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Where is the one meme where everyone is arguing, but then the one kid who looks like Howdy Dowdy says something different....

We need that to have that, and have the three others arguing over how many guns they have, then the Kid says "Wait, you guys can still count them?"




I know, its awful... I cant make those things <_<
 
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Desolo said:
We need that to have that, and have the three others arguing over how many guns they have, then the Kid says "Wait, you guys can still count them?"
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DrScaryGuy said:
Yeah, lots of people are owners without really admitting to it
Meet America's gun super-owners – with an average of 17 firearms each
tenor.gif

I got 5 handguns i'm working on sitting next to me, along with an AR pistol that i'm messing with sitting there too.
17 is rookie numbers.
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From the article, published 5 years ago-

"The 39-year-old is now one of America’s firearms super-owners – part of the 3% of American adults who collectively own 130m firearms, half of the nation’s total stock of civilian guns."

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Majicmike said:
I don’t care anymore,, been hearing this shit for 40yrs. I don’t get worked up anymore. If they did try to take them 95% of people would give them up without a word. I’m getting old, it they are finally going to do it,, let’s get it over with.
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I'm slowly becoming consigned to the fact that we're probably headed for some kind of reset and I say hurry up and get it over with while I'm still in my prime.
you knoiw I'm just old enough to remember Yugoslavia, and how the weak, women, and children were rode over roughshod by people with a little bit of power and an AK. I want to at least stand a fighting chance to ensure none of mine are if that becomes a reality here.

i think there's two kinds of dangerous people. Old men with nothing to lose and young men with everything to gain.
 
Gator said:
From the article, published 5 years ago-

"The 39-year-old is now one of America’s firearms super-owners – part of the 3% of American adults who collectively own 130m firearms, half of the nation’s total stock of civilian guns."
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yeah, not only was that most likely garbage at the time, it's probably even more wrong now.

Then again, most of the population really is concentrated in cities where legal gun ownership is low and discouraged.
Folks living outside the cities have to buy a LOT of guns to offset the low concentration in the major population centers :)
 
Blood has to run before any of this will stop. It’s inevitable at this point. Only question is: whose blood and who causes it?
 
Dale Gribble said:
30 years ago, I’d say you were right, but times and attitudes have changed.

Civil disobedience was a practice that folks weren’t open about...it was “out on the fringes.” Now, you have folks in liberal bastions that have openly and unabashedly burned registration papers. Months ago, when talk of banning braces hit, folks took to FB / Instagram / Twitter, posted pics of their <16” barrel ARs with the brace removed and a full stock in its place.

People have reached and are reaching the “I dare you” stage.
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They just stole a election and nothing happened. They have already seen that the American people will stand aside and do nothing about it.
They aren’t scared of keyboard strokes from the online commandos.
 
any update? they had all weekend to figure it out, or do they wait until friday afternoon to squeak this one by?
 
Jayne said:
any update? they had all weekend to figure it out, or do they wait until friday afternoon to squeak this one by?
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They aren't doing anything. The 2 house bills which they passed will not pass the Senate in their current form. The Senate introduced AWB can't pass the Senate without getting rid of the Filibuster. Biden can't use an EO because as soon as he does he loses leverage on real legislation. They are now caught in a stalemate. If you are Joe Manchin you are going to stretch this out because you are now powerful. He will use this position to get concessions and earmarks for WV. He will then either support removal of the filibuster or more likely IMHO his own version of Universal Background checks which allows transfer of firearms between "known persons" without a background check. Once that is passed they will rinse and repeat moving on to the next gun control topic.
 
That 'known persons' stipulation for private transfers seems extremely vague and not enforceable. It would be interesting to see how they think they can spell that out. I could also see it being used by ATF guys working under cover to trip up regular law abiding people.
 
JohnnyB64 said:
That 'known persons' stipulation for private transfers seems extremely vague and not enforceable. It would be interesting to see how they think they can spell that out. I could also see it being used by ATF guys working under cover to trip up regular law abiding people.
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The thought reminds me of "It"

"Im not supposed to talk to strangers..."

".....Im not a a stranger, Im Pennywise the Dancing Clown! See, we arent strangers anymore..."

"GEE, I guess your right!"
 
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JohnnyB64 said:
That 'known persons' stipulation for private transfers seems extremely vague and not enforceable. It would be interesting to see how they think they can spell that out. I could also see it being used by ATF guys working under cover to trip up regular law abiding people.
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It is spelled out in the Machin Toomey bill from 2013.

Current law requires checks on purchases only from federally licensed gun dealers. So the Manchin-Toomey amendment attempted to find middle ground by expanding the checks to gun shows and Internet sales, but not requiring them of family members and friends giving or selling guns to each other.

"As under current law, transfers between family, friends and neighbors do not require background checks. You can give or sell a gun to your brother, your neighbor, your co-worker without a background check. You can post a gun for sale on the cork bulletin board at your church or your job without a background check," a press release from the senators said.

For friends buying and selling guns, no background check was required as long as the sale was not advertised online or in a publication.

The amendment went into greater detail on family members, saying that background checks would not be required if "the transfer is made between spouses, between parents or spouses of parents and their children or spouses of their children, between siblings or spouses of siblings, or between grandparents or spouses of grandparents and their grandchildren or spouses of their grandchildren, or between aunts or uncles or their spouses and their nieces or nephews or their spouses, or between first cousins, if the transferor does not know or have reasonable cause to believe that the transferee is prohibited from receiving or possessing a firearm under Federal, State, or local law."

"It’d have to be pretty distant family" for the background check rule to apply, Chris Calabrese, legal counsel for the ACLU, told PolitiFact.

www.politifact.com

PolitiFact - A summary of the Manchin-Toomey gun proposal

Editor's note: This story was published on April 20, 2013. It outlines a gun proposal that is back under discus
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wvsig said:
It is spelled out in the Machin Toomey bill from 2013.
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and you know what? with all the stupid things they've been trying to sell us, a small part of me is saying "fine, if that will shut them up, let's do it". But the vast overwelmingly hugely rest of me keeps yelling "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" and "THE LINE MUST BE DRAWN HER - THIS FAR, NO FURTHER"
but it scares me that any part of me even considers complying.
 
wvsig said:
They aren't doing anything. The 2 house bills which they passed will not pass the Senate in their current form. The Senate introduced AWB can't pass the Senate without getting rid of the Filibuster. Biden can't use an EO because as soon as he does he loses leverage on real legislation. They are now caught in a stalemate. If you are Joe Manchin you are going to stretch this out because you are now powerful. He will use this position to get concessions and earmarks for WV. He will then either support removal of the filibuster or more likely IMHO his own version of Universal Background checks which allows transfer of firearms between "known persons" without a background check. Once that is passed they will rinse and repeat moving on to the next gun control topic.
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Good analysis, I think. I don't believe he will vote to remove the filibuster, but he might vote to bring back the old rules where you had to be up there actually saying something, even if it was just reading the NY phone book. But, yeah, the Dims need some kind of a bone to throw to the gun grabbers, even if it is just going through the motions, so if a Manchin version of tightening background checks can get passed they will take it. Then come back for more.
DrScaryGuy said:
and you know what? with all the stupid things they've been trying to sell us, a small part of me is saying "fine, if that will shut them up, let's do it". But the vast overwelmingly hugely rest of me keeps yelling "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" and "THE LINE MUST BE DRAWN HER - THIS FAR, NO FURTHER"
but it scares me that any part of me even considers complying.
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But you know it won't shut them up. They will always be looking for a way to tighten the ratchet, get the Kamel's nose under the tent or whatever other cliche you want to use. We can't give them a damn thing. Well, a damn thing they want, anyway.
 
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