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the 'art of the mag dump' only takes a few minutes to demonstrate.On the other hand, you have more training and range time in a year compared to most officers.
Then when you do need to use it and possibly go to court, they'll say you're a trained marksman assassin. Got it.
class is required, practice is great and you can do that however you want. But registering for, paying for, and having recorded performance logs on matches can be used against you in a court easily.and that's why no one should ever take a class or practice so they can say you're an untrained marksman assassin! so obvious.
But registering for, paying for, and having recorded performance logs on matches can be used against you in a court easily.
Maybe not at this time, in NC but just watch.....
Most people don't want to practice. I don't think attending a monthly match gets you very far if you don't practice and think about it for the next match.
. The more you practice the better you get. Most people don't want to practice.
I see this A lot. Mostly with local LEs. They have come and shot and Never return. They don't want to have to do the work to get better and are embarrassed at their lack of ability.Rather than take me up on the 'let's practice up and do it again', he instead never went again and has no interest in any training or practice.
class is required, practice is great and you can do that however you want. But registering for, paying for, and having recorded performance logs on matches can be used against you in a court easily.
Maybe not at this time, in NC but just watch.....
That's how the NYPD does it.the 'art of the mag dump' only takes a few minutes to demonstrate.
Some years back in Washington state, if I am remembering correctly, an open shooter in uspsa used his open gun in a defensive manner on his way to or from a match, I believe the DA or such, maybe the other sides family attorney, tried to use the matches against the defendant.
Did it work for the DA?
I would hope that the lawyer for the shooter would say that the practiced and proficient match shooter knows more than most people about not only how but also when to use his firearms in self defense since the "when" part is also a part of the matches, and that the shooting was almost certainly justified based on the shooter's experience and training.
I see this A lot. Mostly with local LEs. They have come and shot and Never return. They don't want to have to do the work to get better and are embarrassed at their lack of ability.
As to the match shooting. Go.. you will certainly learn Something. I still contend, as long as you never shoot a "blind" match, you are leaving a whole lot of knowledge on the table. As long as you can walk through, see all the targets, plan your reloads, you are Not getting full advantage. These matches are almost non existent . I hope in January of this coming year we can treat all who want to see what a "blind match" can offer you, will be satisfied.
I have shot in these matches and what I have seen is that middle pack folks move up and down and top tier folks move down.
One stage will be built around the J frame and little .380 guns. All will be from concealment. No reloads necessary. Little movement. Time will be the "decider".
All above is contingent upon interest.
Then when you do need to use it and possibly go to court, they'll say you're a trained marksman assassin. Got it.
I see this A lot. Mostly with local LEs. They have come and shot and Never return. They don't want to have to do the work to get better and are embarrassed at their lack of ability.
There's no hiding your skill in competition. It's all out there for everyone to see.
Shooting against actual good shooters is humbling, and most people don't want to be humbled.
Or, they see what they don't like and stop.
Case and point, I got my dad to go with me to one of the old style H2O BUG matches. Carry guns, no reloads on the clock, no draw on the clock, no movement (I think), short 5 round max strings.. about as beginner friendly as you can get. Under just the pressure of the timer (and maybe fieldgrade watching?) dad went from 'poor' to 'abysmal'. He got flustered on just getting the safety off from a low ready, and his hits at 3-5 yards were... well not really hits on target. Rather than take me up on the 'let's practice up and do it again', he instead never went again and has no interest in any training or practice. I know for a fact he occasionally carries that same tiny gun with the safety he can't work under ideal conditions and can't hit crap with at under ideal conditions. So if he had to do something, would luck serve? Or would he just be adding random bullets to an already bad situation? He _knows_ he can't use it well.... but denial?
That's like saying most people who know how to swim/bike/jog don't do Iron-Mans because they will be on display.
I think most people who don't shoot competitions are just not interested in shooting competitions.
There is usually an expense and travel that goes along with competing.
I have no ego, then. I'm shooting to have fun, get better and be out with friends. My last shoot of six stages had scores of down zero to down 34! It shows me what I need to work on. I'm ok at close ranges, and pretty bad at longer shots. At age 65, this could be an eyesight issue.
A few points:
The concept of "If I shoot matches/take training classes a DA will say I am practiced and trained as a killer" is a very weak argument for any DA to attempt, in fact, I would >hope< they try that angle because any defense attorney who managed to sleep through the bar would just contend that Police also go to training often in order to become proficient, safer, and more skilled. So, as a responsible firearm owner it was prudent to do the same thing to make sure I was as safe as possible having a firearm legally in public. The argument also reminds me of the screeching people make of customizing their firearms in fear of a DA using it against them. When asked to cite a specific case in which an altered firearm was successfully used by the prosecution to turn a righteous shoot into a conviction draws only a chorus of "yeah but what ifs!" with no actual legal precedent.
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This was pretty much my first experience as well. My first stage had 5) 6” steel plates that were the first targets. They were sitting at about 10 yards and it took me 20 rounds to clear those 5 targets. My 2nd Stage had a Texas star which I cleared with with 5 shots, the rest of the stage I had 4 mikes. Even after 4 years I still suck but I don’t suck as bad.I remember the first time i had to shoot and move, it put a weakness I didn't know I had on glaring display. That was alot of years ago .
Took my brother to a idpa match he did ok on the paper but one stage with a six plate steel rack humbled him, thirty rounds fired and he couldn't clear the rack, I've invited him back many time but it's always a no
This was pretty much my first experience as well. My first stage had 5) 6” steel plates that were the first targets. They were sitting at about 10 yards and it took me 20 rounds to clear those 5 targets. My 2nd Stage had a Texas star which I cleared with with 5 shots, the rest of the stage I had 4 mikes. Even after 4 years I still suck but I don’t suck as bad.
This was pretty much my first experience as well. My first stage had 5) 6” steel plates that were the first targets. They were sitting at about 10 yards and it took me 20 rounds to clear those 5 targets. My 2nd Stage had a Texas star which I cleared with with 5 shots, the rest of the stage I had 4 mikes. Even after 4 years I still suck but I don’t suck as bad.
Competitions for me are to learn from the other shooters, all of whom are better than I am....how can I not learn something every time I do a match? It's humbling, sure, but to get to watch these people and learn...what more can I hope for? LOL. I'm happy to watch you guys/girls and have some fun, too.Most people don't compete because their shooting skills, or lack thereof, will be on full display, along with timer and hits for everyone to see. Everyone will see that despite the 50 guns they own and internet expertise, they completely suck at shooting guns. There's no hiding your skill in competition. It's all out there for everyone to see.
Shooting against actual good shooters is humbling, and most people don't want to be humbled.
time.
Sucks, but matches take up a lot of time. Five hours on a Saturday is a lot when youre working/at work 60+ hours Mon-Friday and need to do house things.