Will prices of used guns go down?

I don’t believe the price of used guns will go down. The article is kind of confusing. If I understand the change (which I have been wrong in the past, please don’t tell my wife) if you are a non-FFL and rent a booth at a gun show to sell a 1 or more guns you must conduct a background check.

The other component is if you are a non-FFL, but buy and sell firearms in person or using the internet, as a predominant means of income then you must run a background check. And for the latter, I think not running a background check will be the least of their worries as the ATF will be charging them with other federal violations.

For everyone else who is buying or selling for personal collections and not a predominant means of income should be exempt.

Don’t not mistake what I’m saying as it’s “ok” and “we should be happy”. I’m not happy about it and made my thoughts known during the public comment session. It’s just another chip in the 2A. They are using the chip away slowly tactics so that in time, the American people will be ok when they remove the 2A altogether.
 
rufrdr said:
Seriously, I doubt I have ever made a profit on any gun I've sold or traded. I get the itch for the shiny new thing and sell something at a loss to generate funds. If profit is the only marker for requiring background checks, then I'm safe!
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So is the majority of individuals. But that’s not the point, .gov is overreaching again. It’s these little things that people think doesn’t affect them that leads to the loss of a god given right. Little by little they get the American people comfortable with a little less and a little less. And when the main stream realizes what has happened, it’s because they are reading old history books that have been hidden and saved from destruction by the few who seen it coming all along.
 
take away your rights one small bite at a time. people keep letting the govt swallow up our God given rights one bite at a time. eventually they will be gone completely.
Desmond Tutu once wisely said that “there is only one way to eat an elephant: a bite at a time.” What he meant by this is that everything in life that seems daunting,
overwhelming, and even impossible can be accomplished gradually by taking on just a little at a time.
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Average Joe said:
I don’t believe the price of used guns will go down. The article is kind of confusing. If I understand the change (which I have been wrong in the past, please don’t tell my wife) if you are a non-FFL and rent a booth at a gun show to sell a 1 or more guns you must conduct a background check.
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you: "Hello NICS? i'm a private citizen trying to do 2 private sales, may I please do background checks?"
"them: "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH - click"

So in other words, you don't get to sell your private collection with any kind of speed. This is designed to just be another bottleneck for people doing private sales
 
Without referring to previous posts, the law is built around requiring a FFL if you are "engaged in the business" of buying and selling firearms. The previous regulation defined "engaged in the business" as buying and selling guns as your main way of making a living. The new regulation shifts the definition to the recurring purchase and sale of guns predominantly for profit; that change will capture people with a side business in guns.
 
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They are targeting the people who consistently buy and sell guns. We all know who they are. Flipping is their game, think honda civic. I had a friend that was politely informed to get a license years ago. I came to a point that I didn’t want that kind of attention and got licensed. I have also watched those people rob a living from the dealers that invest alot of money at gun shows. You know the ones, they all but mug you when you are trying to enter the building.

They don’t want transfers happening without a background check. The ATF just back doored the approach to universal background checks.

Moral of the rant. Decide if dealing in guns is something you like doing. If the answer is yes, consider getting licensed, it’s actually very easy. Especially considering the alternative of selling a gun to someone who shouldn’t possess and they do something horrific with it. Yeah you might escape legal culpability, but do you want that on your conscience. Welcome to the moral decline of America. And if you live in some crappy location that forbids it, you should probably consider moving somewhere more free anyway.
 
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JTM35A2 said:
They are targeting the people who consistently buy and sell guns. We all know who they are. Flipping is their game, think honda civic. I had a friend that was politely informed to get a license years ago. I came to a point that I didn’t want that kind of attention and got licensed. I have also watched those people rob a living from the dealers that invest alot of money at gun shows. You know the ones, they all but mug you when you are trying to enter the building.
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Question for you. I have heard that if you get a license, in order to keep it, you need to do a minimum number of transactions per year, which basically forces you to "be in the business". Is this true? I don't do many private sales, though I have done a few and I am certainly not in the business and if this is true, I would likely lose my license due to lack of activity.
 
noway2 said:
Question for you. I have heard that if you get a license, in order to keep it, you need to do a minimum number of transactions per year, which basically forces you to "be in the business". Is this true? I don't do many private sales, though I have done a few and I am certainly not in the business and if this is true, I would likely lose my license due to lack of activity.
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They apparently are setting the bar very low by their own ruling. If you do transfers for all your buddies, you should be fine.
 
puregarbage said:
All this while Cracking down on hobby sot people. Can't have it both ways
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Gonna call bs on that one. I have a friend who’s an sot too. He’s probably bought 40 suppressors with no transfers. Just got audited, no grief from the atf whatsoever

You can’t be a total moron and get your ffl and sot and do absolutely nothing but drill 3rd holes in ar15’s and add switches to glocks.

I buy more suppressors than i need, sell them at like $10 over cost. Manufacture a few sbr and sbs to sell. You know, make a reasonable attempt. That’s how you justify being able to make your own mg’s 😁
 
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$600 used glocks and $1000 used PSA ARs are the pillars of American Society.


Story time: in a different state/forum there were members that used to buy/sell/trade guns every few days for years. Literally a new gun was going out, a new one coming in every 2-3 days. Probably close to 10-20 members had this lifestyle. Half were just dumb rich and did it as their form of entertainment (like what some people do with junk from amazon). The other half were open flippers/wheeler dealers. Literally anything posted in that forums versions of steals and deals they'd buy and you see it listed shortly after. Some were buying multiples of each (like the Clinton dude in AR). ATF reached out to a bunch of these guys numerous times and eventually arrests were made. And yeah, the arrests were thr flippers and not the super wealthy guys cause it was obvious each's intent. I'm assuming a part of this new law is meant to curb the buyer/sell/trade guys that are openly abusing BUT we know this is just another bite out of the elephant.
 
It was pointed out to me that the PSA Dagger has caused used Glocks to drop a bit.
 
Flashpoint said:
Seems to me you can't sell online or at a gun show anymore (even a single firearm) without an FFL now. That's a big change.

Hopefully someone will correct me.
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It says you can still sell “occasionally” to enhance a collection which was the way it’s always been. Who determines what occasionally is? The laws are and have been written vague so they can be used any way the officials see fit.
 
JTM35A2 said:
Gonna call bs on that one. I have a friend who’s an sot too. He’s probably bought 40 suppressors with no transfers. Just got audited, no grief from the atf whatsoever

You can’t be a total moron and get your ffl and sot and do absolutely nothing but drill 3rd holes in ar15’s and add switches to glocks.

I buy more suppressors than i need, sell them at like $10 over cost. Manufacture a few sbr and sbs to sell. You know, make a reasonable attempt. That’s how you justify being able to make your own mg’s 😁
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There is no law that says you must be good at business. Just keep asking some small department once a year if they want some machine guns. If they say no, oh well.

I also only have one suppressor so far. Getting into the NFA game requires some experience so honestly buying a few suppressors for yourself, seeing how to maintain them and what the different mounting options are isn’t sketchy, it’s just good business to know what products you are selling.
 
Flashpoint said:
Seems to me you can't sell online or at a gun show anymore (even a single firearm) without an FFL now. That's a big change.

Hopefully someone will correct me.
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Luckily, that is not the case. Below is from the Final Rule approved April 8, 2024.

... neither the BSCA (Bipartisan Safer Communities Act) nor this rule purports to require every private sale of a firearm to be processed through a licensed dealer. Individuals may continue to engage in intrastate private sales without a license ...
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Part of the problem is that the rule has several "presumptions" that, if not read carefully and understood, make it seem that the requirements to get an FFL are much broader than they actually are in the rule. Most of those presumptions only apply to civil and administrative proceedings under 18 U.S.C. 924(d)(1).

The Background of the Rule explains:
Persons who willfully engage in the business of dealing in firearms without a license are subject to a term of imprisonment of up to five years, a fine of up to $250,000, or both. (criminal proceedings) 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(1)(A); 924(a)(1)(D); 3571(b)(3). Any firearms involved or used in any such willful violation may be subject to administrative or civil seizure and forfeiture. See 18 U.S.C. 924(d)(1).
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The presumptions in the following sections of the rule ONLY apply in administrative or civil proceedings to seize or forfeit firearms held by someone already criminally guilty of dealing in firearms without a license.

27 CFR § 478.13(c) Presumptions that a person is engaged in the business as a dealer. (such as repetitive sales of new or like-new guns, short turnover resales)

27 CFR § 478.13(d)(2) Presumptions that a person has intent to predominantly earn a profit. (such as internet advertising, gun show tables, profit and loss records, credit card services, business licenses)
 
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