Wuhan, nCV, germs....

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A HEPA with a prefilter or a certain kind of UV light hitting the outside would actually work. But you don't want a bag which is susceptible to static electricity build up on your head with high oxygen content. Especially if you're a COPD patient. And obviously you'd need some sort of exhalation valve.
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i feel like a plastic bag with a rubber band wouldn't make the best seal in a positive pressure case. it would work itself out through any fold or with movement.
And I didn't really say where on the setup to put the hepa filter. you could have the oxygen feeding into the filter along with environmental air, in which case the oxygen wouldn't even really be nedessary.
surprisingly, 10 cloverfield lane was a pretty good movie for that sort of thing :)
 
All the talk of masks etc and the local parks got 12 teens playing a feisty basketball game like nothings going on. Running shouting spitting coughing sweating hard-breathing all Corona hands on the ball and running into each other. WTF ?
 
We took our sons to work today. The traffic was normal, the volume in the shopping centers was normal, the soccer fields were full and busy, as were the basketball courts.

Meanwhile we're still 2 minutes into this event in the big scheme of things.
 
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All the talk of masks etc and the local parks got 12 teens playing a feisty basketball game like nothings going on. Running shouting spitting coughing sweating hard-breathing all Corona hands on the ball and running into each other. WTF ?
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Just saw this email from Harbor Frieght



Dear Harbor Freight Community,

As we’ve been following the news over the last few days, we’ve heard about the severe shortage of protective gear for hospitals, healthcare workers and first responders as the impact of COVID-19 is being felt across the country. America depends on these heroes every day and in the days ahead we will depend on them even more. At Harbor Freight, we want them to know that they can depend on us too.

So we’ve decided to donate our entire supply of the personal protective equipment items listed below to front line hospitals with 24 hour emergency rooms in the communities served by our stores.

• N95 Masks
• Face Shields
• 5 and 7 mil Nitrile Gloves
If you work at a hospital with a 24 hour emergency room in need of these items, please ask the office in charge of procurement at your hospital to click here so they can provide us with the information we’ll need to determine if we can make a donation. If you’re not with a hospital, but would like to give us the name of a hospital with a 24 hour emergency room in your community that might need our help, please email us at [email protected], identify the hospital’s city and state in the subject line, and our team will follow-up.
 
It seems China coronavirus cases might have peaked. As of today at 12:32 GMT, a report shows 81,093 total cases, 3,270 deaths, 72,703 recovered and 5,120 active cases. There were 80,026 cases reported on March 1.

I'm not sure how reliable this site is, but it's encouraging.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

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I question is if one person has Chinese Flu going into the summer will this panic continue for years to come. A couple years ago one tenth of the nation had flu with over 60,000 people dying. The chart above shows a huge survival rate. Is the concern over medical services ability or is it the risk of death?

Maybe it’s time to rethink how many doctors we graduate and how their degrees are paid for. With trillions of dollars used to aid the economy I would think there would be money better spent on constructing hospitals in each state to isolate patients. If China can build a hospital in 10 days Americans can do the same. It’s time to be proactive instead of reactive. Put these construction contractors to work today for the sake of all tomorrow.
 
BlackGun said:
I question is if one person has Chinese Flu going into the summer will this panic continue for years to come. A couple years ago one tenth of the nation had flu with over 60,000 people dying. The chart above shows a huge survival rate. Is the concern over medical services ability or is it the risk of death?

Maybe it’s time to rethink how many doctors we graduate and how their degrees are paid for. With trillions of dollars used to aid the economy I would think there would be money better spent on constructing hospitals in each state to isolate patients. If China can build a hospital in 10 days Americans can do the same. It’s time to be proactive instead of reactive. Put these construction contractors to work today for the sake of all tomorrow.
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Building it isn't the problem. The problem is, where are you going to get enough medical professionals to man it and medical supplies to stock it? Dr's are going to be contracting the virus too. As they do, you will need more to replace them. Where will they come from?
 
premise said:
What if I put a dry cleaning bag over my head and put a rubber band around my neck, will I be protected then?
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You don't need that severe protection. Just get a padded bra at Walmart, cut it up and superglue the straps and you got instant protection. :)
 
drypowder said:
"masks on well people don't protect them at all"

Really? Care to explain the magical process by which they protect healthcare workers but don't protect non-healthcare people?
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a mask won’t work but breathing In snot droplets from 6 ft instead of 5 will :rolleyes: as you know, it’s all about mitigating exposure. Sure “non fitted mask” might not be legit for working in level 4 lab environment, but it will reduce breathing in droplets by the millions.

they just trying to reduce the panic buying so that people deemed “high priority” have access to the masks.

a nurse on rounds using n95 ain’t seal fitting masks
 
Button Pusher said:
You don't need that severe protection. Just get a padded bra at Walmart, cut it up and superglue the straps and you got instant protection. :)
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my wife walked into my office and saw your post. She said: "not my bra, it will barely cover one of your nostrils" :)
 
So, are they actually testing for presence of the virus? Or just for antibodies to it? With the tests being used, is there any chance that something else can trigger a positive result?

A couple days ago, I read an article that made it sound like several different corona viruses would produce a positive with the tests being used.
 
Chuckman said:
Yeah, the rate of positive tests is gonna skyrocket. It is, everywhere.

201 deaths in 15K cases is quite high. Some states have crazy numbers of deaths/cases.
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The number of confirmed cases has increased, but the rate (confirmed/tests) of positive tests has been going down as more testing has been done.

When only people who were nearly certainly infected were being tested, the rate of positives was very high. Now that more people are being tested, the rate of positives has dropped to around 10% nationally and even lower in areas like North Carolina with more extensive testing.

It is hugely important to understand the disease's infection rate. Infection rates of 50%, or 10%, or 1% would have radically different consequences and responses.
 
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gc70 said:
The number of confirmed cases has increased, but the rate (confirmed/tests) of positive tests has been going down as more testing has been done.

When only people who were nearly certainly infected were being tested, the rate of positives was very high. Now that more people are being tested, the rate of positives has dropped to around 10% nationally and even lower in areas like North Carolina with more extensive testing.
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Yeah, I misread it. I have been working 70, 80 hours weeks now for a bit. Shit is getting blurry.
 
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I just ran to Academy and Lowes for a last minute project items.

Academy was limiting the store to 25 people per the new company policy. People were waiting outside on blue tape Xs marked 6' apart. Inside the store they had X every 6' at all the registers.

Lowes had a sign asking customers to distance them selves. At the registers they too had blue tape Xs every 6' and a box around where to stand when actually checking out at the register.
 
No floor tape at Home Depot, Best Buy had lanes for pickup, nobody can shop inside.
 
Chuckman said:
Yeah, the rate of positive tests is gonna skyrocket. It is, everywhere.

201 deaths in 15K cases is quite high. Some states have crazy numbers of deaths/cases.
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we were a bit inflated from the start because our ground zero was a nursing home. Not sure if any others involved but that will result in disproportionate death rate (compared to random sampling or greater outbreak diversity)
 
Pet supermarket in Clemmons has the blue “you must stop here” tape.

Only 2 folks allowed in at a time. Walked through the door and saw one customer at the register. Started back to the doggeh food aisle, was immediately given the stink-eye by all like I was the antichrist and told to stop where I was.

Can’t go get stuff yourself. Have to tell the employees what you want, they get it, bring it to the register and then you’re allowed to approach/pay.
 
Sigequinox220 said:
we were a bit inflated from the start because our ground zero was a nursing home. Not sure if any others involved but that will result in disproportionate death rate (compared to random sampling or greater outbreak diversity)
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The Durham numbers are likewise skewed: a third are Duke students who went on the same trip overseas.
 
My LGS here in Salisbury has the 2 customer limit. Kinda glad too. At times it's like a can of sardines in there.
 
Chuckman said:
Yeah, I misread it. I have been working 70, 80 hours weeks now for a bit. Shit is getting blurry.
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thanks for your service during these times man. IF I recall you are front line medical.

PM me if you need anything. I have some spare respiratory protection (though not much, but something. Can spare a disposable or two and a half face if your hospital not providing like some the nightmare stories I’ve heard)

eta: if your hospital(s) are short on masks, I got email from harbor freight that said to contact them as they are DONATING their supply to medical personnel. Kudos to them.
 
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cubrock said:
So, are they actually testing for presence of the virus? Or just for antibodies to it? With the tests being used, is there any chance that something else can trigger a positive result?

A couple days ago, I read an article that made it sound like several different corona viruses would produce a positive with the tests being used.
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from my understanding most of the testing is “qPCR” based which is an assay to assess viral RNA. The test SHOULD be using region unique to covid19. I would think false negative more of an issue than false positive because of detection limits among some other challenges.

of testing being done through FDA kits or major reputable testing labs that have submitted for FDA approval should be good on covid specificity.

antibody tests are available but I think less commonly used. They both have advantages and disadvantages.
 
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Sigequinox220 said:
thanks for your service during these times man. IF I recall you are front line medical.

PM me if you need anything. I have some spare respiratory protection (though not much, but something. Can spare a disposable or two and a half face if your hospital not providing like some the nightmare stories I’ve heard)

eta: if your hospital(s) are short on masks, I got email from harbor freight that said to contact them as they are DONATING their supply to medical personnel. Kudos to them.
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Thanks so much, I appreciate it. I am good...right now. Who knows in another week??
 
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