Yours is the only one made up so far....based on the facts we've ALL been privy to
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Georgia shooting of a black man
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Why ya'll insist on saying he was stopped at gunpoint? This is patently false and a dishonest statement from you.
We shall see.
Thanks for the clarification. I don't equate possession with brandishing. Brandishing would be a question of having the shotgun in hand at the ready, where "armed" might consist of having it slung on your person or carried in such a manner as to be non-threatening.
If a guy comes around you while you are walking down the street, stops in the middle of the road and gets out holding a shotgun, you wouldn't consider that at gunpoint? It would have been different if he only had a holstered pistol.
Of course he wouldn't make such foolish assumptions, in his mind you'd inevitably be preconceived to be a lost duck hunter stopping to ask for directions.
I misunderstand things all the time, feel free to steer me in the right direction any time that's the case.
All I have to say is if anyone blocks me walking down the road by getting out of their truck with a shotgun, they better have it at the ready. Because as soon as they get out with that gun, I will be in fear for my life and someone is getting shot, whether it's me or them.
If I change direction to avoid you and I turn the corner to find you standing there to cut me off with gun in hand then yes you're stopping me at gunpoint. Your argument would hold water if Jr had not went around the truck to cut him him off with gun in hand.....after he changed direction to avoid him.
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I have no problem with them possessing a gun. The problem comes when he tries to make an unlawful citizens arrest and ends up shooting the guy. All he had to do was stay in his truck and follow the guy while calling police to come and handle the situation. But they were wannabe cops that got in over their heads.
Oh they catching all the smoke I'm holding if it happens to me. Sounds like some of you guys would be cool with someone ringing your doorbell gun in hand since you'd assume they're just lost duck hunters [emoji1787]
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NOBODY said their being armed was an issue. The armed confrontation is the issue. It became am armed confrontation when Jr stepped out the truck shotgun in hand... not sling....mand proceeded to move to cut three dead guy off after he changed directions to avoid Jr.
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I remember that one, they were looking for an armed robbery suspect.....not some guy walking thru vacant Construction sites.
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Number 1, it isn't the McMichaels job to detain people. You can spout all the citizens arrest BS you want. Charging a police officer trying to detain you is much different than charging some random wannabe that thinks he has the authority to detain you. I hope you don't try to do these same things that the McMichaels did. If so, you may be cellmates with them.
I met a man a long time ago that had a destroyed right arm bicep. I mean,,it was nasty looking with no meat and lots of scar tissue. Since he was a relative of my friend I asked him " What happened to your arm" He then tells me, that he placed his loaded shot gun in the back of his pickup truck butt first and when he went to retrieve it he grabbed the barrel and the trigger snagged on something and went the gun went off. Looking at the video many times I see the a guy with the barrel of the gun with his left hand while punching the guy with his right hand while the gun owner is backing up trying to retain ownership of the gun. If your trying to defend yourself, you push the barrel to your left, then swing and punch, you don't pull it towards yourself. Just maybe,, the guy with the gun didn't pull the trigger, it was pulled for hm..
That right there is funny.
BOTH sides immediately dig into the past of people on the other side.
BOTH sides will do their best to make sure any information is publicized to contaminate the potential jury pool.
While neither side may get the information admitted in court, there is a good chance it will be brought up because jurors cannot un-hear what they have heard.
Frame captures from the video. After the runner turns left at the front of the truck, the truck blocks the view of both the runner and the son for about 3/4 of a second. The following four images are at 1/2 second intervals from the frame in which the men first reappear.
He was first shot not even a full second after reaching the front of the truck. How'd that happen if Jr. was just meeting him with a warm greeting?
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I posted factual information; sarcasm or ridicule will not change a conclusion when one was not expressed.
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I did go back and split the video at the first image posted above. There was no gunshot prior to the first image above. The first gunshot occurred at or a frame or two after the first image above.
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Race relations and prejudice are not prosecutable crimes, despite the attempt to add further criminal penalties for "hate crimes." Disparities in justice should be exposed and rectified as dispassionately as possible. I have my own opinions as to the mindset of the shooter and his dad, but these do not play into the justice thing. There is clearly enough evidence to charge them, and has been since day one, imo.
Now we wait for the evidence, cross examination, and exculpatory evidence, and hope that a jury of 12 will forget all the social blah blah and just execute the law. Whether Bubba and Bubba Jr are racists should be irrelevant, but what should be and what is are often foreign concepts.
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I do appreciate your stance. However the other person involved needs to be called into question when one goes this route...
My $.02
I could not agree more. However, as I have gotten older, and have seen some of my own rather catastrophic failures when I "stand for the truth," my view about what is effective confrontation has changed. Summing up, I think that the best way to show a crooked stick is crooked is USUALLY not to pull out a protractor, announce the angles, and cite a geometry book demonstrating the curved nature of the crooked stick. Rather, it is just to lay a straight stick beside it and allow people to see the difference.
That is a general principle, and do not think that I am saying that geometry books, citations, and protractors are simply unneeded. After all, anyone in this forum knows how wordy and nerdy I am about that kind of stuff.
IrishCannon
Fight hard.
IrishCannon
Fight hard.
Surprised you feel he was doing something wrong knowing you're a big believer in American freedom. When did parking in a field by yourself become a crime?
What stuck out to me is that the Lieutenant realized they were making it more than it needed to be.
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Encounter 12 days before shooting
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution said it obtained audio from the night of the Feb. 11 encounter that captured Travis McMichael telling a 911 dispatcher that he had “caught a guy running into a house” under construction. He said he had “never seen this guy before in the neighborhood” but was “startled” by his presence, according to the Journal-Constitution.
“When I turned around and saw him and backed up, he reached into his pocket and ran into the house. So I don’t know if he’s armed or not. But he looked like he was acting like he was,” McMichael was quoted as telling the dispatcher.
“When I turned around and saw him and backed up, he reached into his pocket and ran into the house. So I don’t know if he’s armed or not. But he looked like he was acting like he was,” McMichael was quoted as telling the dispatcher.