Yours is the only one made up so far....based on the facts we've ALL been privy toJust talking about your made up scenario.
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Yours is the only one made up so far....based on the facts we've ALL been privy toJust talking about your made up scenario.
Would a uniformed officer have stopped him at gunpoint?
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Why ya'll insist on saying he was stopped at gunpoint? This is patently false and a dishonest statement from you.if I came out and detained you at gunpoint?
We shall see.Yours is the only one made up so far....based on the facts we've ALL been privy to
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I meant disarming. In this case it is a shotgun so I equated disarming to putting the shotgun down. If you holster a pistol I think that is still armed. Apologies, I could have worded it better by using disarm consistently.
If you possess a shotgun in the process of performing a citizens arrest is that brandishing? I didn't see clearly in the video that the shotgun was ever aimed or used menacingly before the struggle for it...could have been.
Why ya'll insist on saying he was stopped at gunpoint? This is patently false and a dishonest statement from you.
If a guy comes around you while you are walking down the street, stops in the middle of the road and gets out holding a shotgun, you wouldn't consider that at gunpoint? It would have been different if he only had a holstered pistol.
No, but you replied to me with all of the extra stuff when I was very simply talking about their right to be armed during the citizens arrest.
If I change direction to avoid you and I turn the corner to find you standing there to cut me off with gun in hand then yes you're stopping me at gunpoint. Your argument would hold water if Jr had not went around the truck to cut him him off with gun in hand.....after he changed direction to avoid him.Why ya'll insist on saying he was stopped at gunpoint? This is patently false and a dishonest statement from you.
That's a cop out but I don't expect anything lessI am not a psychic so I cannot say for sure in this instance they would have chose to grab the rifle/shotgun out of the car. All I can say is I have seen cops with guns in their hands when detaining suspects.
For my own self preservation and yours, I agree with you.
But strictly related to these two guys fate in the trial, other than sensationalism and the rabid anti-gun sentiment...I don't think the possession of the gun should be a legal issue as others feel. That was the only point I was trying to make.
Oh they catching all the smoke I'm holding if it happens to me. Sounds like some of you guys would be cool with someone ringing your doorbell gun in hand since you'd assume they're just lost duck hunters [emoji1787]All I have to say is if anyone blocks me walking down the road by getting out of their truck with a shotgun, they better have it at the ready. Because as soon as they get out with that gun, I will be in fear for my life and someone is getting shot, whether it's me or them.
NOBODY said their being armed was an issue. The armed confrontation is the issue. It became am armed confrontation when Jr stepped out the truck shotgun in hand... not sling....mand proceeded to move to cut three dead guy off after he changed directions to avoid Jr.For my own self preservation and yours, I agree with you.
But strictly related to these two guys fate in the trial, other than sensationalism and the rabid anti-gun sentiment...I don't think the possession of the gun should be a legal issue as others feel. That was the only point I was trying to make.
All I have to say is if anyone blocks me walking down the road by getting out of their truck with a shotgun, they better have it at the ready. Because as soon as they get out with that gun, I will be in fear for my life and someone is getting shot, whether it's me or them.
I remember that one, they were looking for an armed robbery suspect.....not some guy walking thru vacant Construction sites.The man was detained actually at gunpoint by numerous officers, some with rifles, because he "loosely matched the description." Coincidentally, none of these officers "actually saw him" commit any crimes.
There are many many more where this came from. Sorry the truth doesn't fit your narrative.
The man was detained actually at gunpoint by numerous officers, some with rifles, because he "loosely matched the description." Coincidentally, none of these officers "actually saw him" commit any crimes.
There are many many more where this came from. Sorry the truth doesn't fit your narrative.
In either case they are detaining a suspect.
How would the McMichaels know if the future night shift electrician was armed or not?
What do you think is going to happen to the guy in the video if he decided to charge the female cop with the rifle?
Maybe, I guess that depends on whether you consider yourself a citizen of a police state or a free state.
How would the McMichaels know if the future night shift electrician was armed or not?
BOTH sides immediately dig into the past of people on the other side.It's not supposed to be an issue for either. Only thing that should matter is what happened at that moment. Problem is whenever we have these incidents there are those who's first response is to dig up everything on the dead guy to make him look like he deserved it.
How do you know I'm not your neighbor? I live in Mecklenburg too.Citizens have the authority to detain people in certain circumstances in every state as far as I know...even Canada. That isn't BS and I don't know why this point is still being argued. It isn't a job or a wannabe situation, that is something you are projecting onto other people.
I have chased after and detained many people. There are numerous times I have come across hunters, target shooters, atvers, and random people on my grandfather's and father's land, many of them with guns. I almost always had a handgun and many times it was an AR15 or other long gun when I was out shooting. I have also talked to suspicious people in my neighborhood. None of them charged at me or fought with me and most were pleasant conversations. The Sheriff certainly wasn't going to come out there and camp to catch them and the few times I called them there wasn't much they could do unless I detained them anyway.
I am quite fine with people looking out for their family, their property, and their neighbors. I don't believe thugs and miscreants have the right to run loose and do whatever they want at the expense and inconvenience of people that own and occupy property. If your opinion is different and you want to let people walk all over you that is fine. Doesn't make you a bad person in my opinion and You aren't my neighbor so I am not worried about it.
Frame captures from the video. After the runner turns left at the front of the truck, the truck blocks the view of both the runner and the son for about 3/4 of a second. The following four images are at 1/2 second intervals from the frame in which the men first reappear.If I change direction to avoid you and I turn the corner to find you standing there to cut me off with gun in hand then yes you're stopping me at gunpoint. Your argument would hold water if Jr had not went around the truck to cut him him off with gun in hand.....after he changed direction to avoid him.
He was first shot not even a full second after reaching the front of the truck. How'd that happen if Jr. was just meeting him with a warm greeting?Frame captures from the video. After the runner turns left at the front of the truck, the truck blocks the view of both the runner and the son for about 3/4 of a second. The following four images are at 1/2 second intervals from the frame in which the men first reappear.
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I posted factual information; sarcasm or ridicule will not change a conclusion when one was not expressed.He was first shot not even a full second after reaching the front of the truck. How'd that happen if Jr. was just meeting him with a warm greeting?
That was 1 of three shots fired.I met a man a long time ago that had a destroyed right arm bicep. I mean,,it was nasty looking with no meat and lots of scar tissue. Since he was a relative of my friend I asked him " What happened to your arm" He then tells me, that he placed his loaded shot gun in the back of his pickup truck butt first and when he went to retrieve it he grabbed the barrel and the trigger snagged on something and went the gun went off. Looking at the video many times I see the a guy with the barrel of the gun with his left hand while punching the guy with his right hand while the gun owner is backing up trying to retain ownership of the gun. If your trying to defend yourself, you push the barrel to your left, then swing and punch, you don't pull it towards yourself. Just maybe,, the guy with the gun didn't pull the trigger, it was pulled for hm..
You may be absolutely right, but I’m not going to convict someone in the court of public opinion based on 30 seconds of a video. There is obviously more to the story, however, it’s all completely irrelevant. The issue here is one of race relations and prejudice even if we just dance around it without admitting it.
I do appreciate your stance. However the other person involved needs to be called into question when one goes this route...Race relations and prejudice are not prosecutable crimes, despite the attempt to add further criminal penalties for "hate crimes." Disparities in justice should be exposed and rectified as dispassionately as possible. I have my own opinions as to the mindset of the shooter and his dad, but these do not play into the justice thing. There is clearly enough evidence to charge them, and has been since day one, imo.
Now we wait for the evidence, cross examination, and exculpatory evidence, and hope that a jury of 12 will forget all the social blah blah and just execute the law. Whether Bubba and Bubba Jr are racists should be irrelevant, but what should be and what is are often foreign concepts.
I could not agree more. However, as I have gotten older, and have seen some of my own rather catastrophic failures when I "stand for the truth," my view about what is effective confrontation has changed. Summing up, I think that the best way to show a crooked stick is crooked is USUALLY not to pull out a protractor, announce the angles, and cite a geometry book demonstrating the curved nature of the crooked stick. Rather, it is just to lay a straight stick beside it and allow people to see the difference.I do appreciate your stance. However the other person involved needs to be called into question when one goes this route...
My $.02
...ya, so far...but can we all agree he ain't the "yes ma'am, no ma'am" type of guy he was described as??Weird, for sure. But Im still not convinced he should have been approached by those two armed citizens that day.
Surprised you feel he was doing something wrong knowing you're a big believer in American freedom. When did parking in a field by yourself become a crime?...ya, so far...but can we all agree he ain't the "yes ma'am, no ma'am" type of guy he was described as??
You can't just go park in a public field to "rap" without getting asked a couple of questions.
Let's see how it all goes...
PWBWhen did parking in a field by yourself become a crime?