NC Constitutional Carry moves forward

Find out how your Sheriff or Chief stands on this issue and it will let you know right quick who's fit to be sporting the badge....

and who ain't.
 
You know, I'm OK with most cops, but if they want a perfectly safe , stress free job without needing to violate others constitutional rights, they should have been librarians.
 
wsfiredude said:
"They're getting some training. They're getting some knowledge of the law. But just to say, 'You're 18 years old, take a gun and go,' that bothers me," Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison said Tuesday.
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So at 18 you can go sign up to carry a gun to defend the Constititution from enemies both foreign and domestic BUT you can't defend yourself by the rights granted by that same document??? WTF ???
 
np307 said:
I wonder if he's ignorant or being deceptive in not mentioning that 18 year olds can already OC without a permit, and they don't have a way of knowing before walking up to the car that someone is OCing.

I have my opinion on which it is...
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Don't put it past a law enforcement officer to not know the law.

In addition to moonlighting as jury, judge and executioner - there's plenty of video evidence of them acting as an entire legislature and governor and making up their own laws right there on the side of the road.

The kicker is that courts have determined ignorance of the law by a Citizen is no defense, but ignorance of the law by a law enforcement officer is a-ok so long as he believes in his heart of hearts that the law he made up probably exists.
 
Cpippen said:
So at 18 you are legally required to sign up for possible conscription to carry a gun to defend the Constititution from enemies both foreign and domestic BUT you can't defend yourself by the rights granted by that same document??? WTF ???
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Fixed.
 
SPM said:
Don't put it past a law enforcement officer to not know the law.

In addition to moonlighting as jury, judge and executioner - there's plenty of video evidence of them acting as an entire legislature and governor and making up their own laws right there on the side of the road.

The kicker is that courts have determined ignorance of the law by a Citizen is no defense, but ignorance of the law by a law enforcement officer is a-ok so long as he believes in his heart of hearts that the law he made up probably exists.
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Absolutely. I cringe whenever people have legal questions, about firearms or anything else, and someone says "just call your sheriff and ask."
 
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JohnFreeman said:
You know, I'm OK with most cops, but if they want a perfectly safe , stress free job without needing to violate others constitutional rights, they should have been librarians.
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Why. Librarians hamper freedom of speech telling to to be quiet.
 
First, I need the preface this with I do want Constitutional Carry to pass because of the way any gun law can be used inappropriately to keep good honest citizens from being able to protect themselves. I also do not see how this on any law is going to stop a criminal from acquiring , carrying concealed or using a firearm for illegal gains ... only good honest citizens follow these laws ... so how does it stop them?

I do see the thought, all be it not thoroughly done, as to a LEO (patrol or CLEO) thinking about how to know if a person they encounter is legally able to carry concealed ... doesn't concealed mean concealed?... and no criminal will voluntarily say they have a gun. Harrison and others seem to be more concerned about making their jobs easier than supporting the 2A.

As to the CHP itself, the trainingin law is actually a good thing ... the laws surrounding it are clear as mud and it isn't rare to have someone ask me a "what if" question I won't answer because I am not 100% sure and didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express. The range portion is a complete joke ... I am not even going there. Now what requirements ould I change? In a perfect world we would not need anything because we would all be responsible adults and seek training both in the laws and in safe and proper handling. The first problem is the right to own a firearm is granted by the 2A and criminal see no conditions attached to it in the Constitution. Second, once you start "requirements" you give people a chance to abuse it ... like Mecklenberg Co and some other counties taking sooooooo long to issue permits or denying someone because of a judgement call by the CLEO or his agent. I think of Benjamin Franklin saying "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" and I see the 2A as a form of Liberty!

I do see quite a few people with firearms an CHPs that scare the crap out of me with lack of skills and knowledge as well as their ideas of what they think they can do magically with a firearm but their right under the 2A and a few others does grant them protection in my book. When I do see these idiots I use my right and freedom to get the hell away from them since I am not their keeper nor do my feelings/fears/etc Trump their rights. Common sense, morality and honesty can't be legislated or enforced by laws and those like the gun grabbing liberals, CLEOs, etc need to get that through their skulls.
 
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So you are "for the Second Amendment, but...."

Training laws and anything that hampers a citizen from carrying a weapon for defense is an infringement. If you are training people I can see why you believe in training classes. Like a lawyer always saying you need a lawyer.
 
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They are discussing the bill's second reading as of now.
 
Yes he is the Harrison lady after him just proposed a gun magazine amendment to make a limit of 10 rounds. It was failed luckily

The legislators are idiots!! They keep talking about the dumbest crap to argue and "what if"
 
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Cpippen said:
So at 18 you can go sign up to carry a gun to defend the Constititution from enemies both foreign and domestic BUT you can't defend yourself by the rights granted by that same document??? WTF ???
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Dems are pushing hard on the 18 year olds having concealed guns. They need to talk to you!
 
The guy talking now is "Faircloth" I think but, he keeps bringing up "hypothetically" but they don't care about laws at the points he keeps Speaking of.
The Durham guy is an idiot!!! They don't realize criminals won't follow the laws regardless, and this only protects the law abiding anyways!

Now the lady from New Hanover has promised an amendment to make it law to lock up guns.
 
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I didn't know that kids handing out weapons at crime scenes was a thing - possible I suppose but does it really happen??

And the Dems are so empty the Durham guy is now arguing that only "the militia" is covered by the 2A - sheesh!!!
 
Tigard said:
I didn't know that kids handing out weapons at crime scenes was a thing - possible I suppose but does it really happen??

And the Dems are so empty the Durham guy is now arguing that only "the militia" is covered by the 2A - sheesh!!!
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If it is they got them illegally anyways SO this is null and void lol
 
MurphyLong said:
I guess I'm glad I can't hear it.
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Be glad!!! Their trying to bump up this amendment so that it won't pass.

They still got Cooper thou that will veto it.
 
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They are, but basically the republicans are placing the amendments for a vote and then voting against them rather than wasting time on it.

Mike speciale from Craven is opening up a can of facts on the group now.
 
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It will be vetoed that's a given by Cooper. It passed the second reading by 65 to 54. It has an objection thou by the leftists. They will have more amendments to read on the 3rd reading.

Not sure when the 3rd reading is to be done yet.
 
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So the bill passed the second reading. Apparently there's a third coming.

Oh, and there's a wine tasting at the Lt. Gov's place at 5pm.
 
Here are the 8 RINOs who voted against the bill on 2nd reading.

Davis; Faircloth; Fraley; Horn; Iler; McGrady; Watford; Williams
 
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gc70 said:
Here are the 8 RINOs who voted against the bill on 2nd reading.

Davis; Faircloth; Fraley; Horn; Iler; McGrady; Watford; Williams
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Yep and to over ride the veto they will need 3/5 which is 72, these 8 HAVE to vote for it in the over ride. They all are basically not going to do so as Faircloth said because the FOP and LEO and Sheriffs are against it. SO, we will likely see this bill fail because of these 8 folks.It will be hailed as a Cooper victory because he vetoed it. Bloomberg will blow out his chest and shake Mom's Against Guns and tout a victory speech.
 
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Faircloth is an asshat. I guess he was the High Cost Point police chief.....no wonder... And he most certainly is NOT REPRESENTING HIS CONSTITUENCY. Tar and feather time for him?
 
noway2 said:
Faircloth is an asshat. I guess he was the High Cost Point police chief.....no wonder... And he most certainly is NOT REPRESENTING HIS CONSTITUENCY. Tar and feather time for him?
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He is claiming the moral high ground in defense of Law Enforcement wishes claiming that thugs that have nothing they can be charged for now will get a free pass from the cops if they conceal a gun on themselves. Which he is wrong about one thing most of the thugs aren't allowed to carry now so they can still get charged with a concealed weapon. The law abiding non criminal element of society will be helped by this. Criminals don't care if they did, they wouldn't be a criminal.
 
A side question on 'state' level constitutional carry and reciprocity...
NC has one of the best recognized CHPs in the country. If you travel, you have a super majority of states (~36) reciprocating based on the present system's requirement.

No permit means no carry in any reciprocity state where permits are required? There ~13 constitutional carry states. Is there any material addressing that in the bill like a nominal carry permit for those who complete a course of training?

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States with North Carolina Agreements

Alabama Kentucky Oklahoma
Alaska Louisiana Pennsylvania
Arizona Michigan South Carolina
Arkansas Mississippi South Dakota
Colorado Missouri Tennessee
Delaware Montana Texas
Florida Nebraska Utah
Georgia Nevada Virginia
Idaho New Hampshire (resident permits only) Washington
Indiana New Mexico West Virginia
Iowa North Dakota Wisconsin
Kansas Ohio Wyoming
 
gc70 said:
Here are the 8 RINOs who voted against the bill on 2nd reading.

Davis; Faircloth; Fraley; Horn; Iler; McGrady; Watford; Williams
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I figured Faircloth would be on that list. No surprise at all.
 
Mikail said:
A side question on 'state' level constitutional carry and reciprocity...
NC has one of the best recognized CHPs in the country. If you travel, you have a super majority of states (~36) reciprocating based on the present system's requirement.

No permit means no carry in any reciprocity state where permits are required? There ~13 constitutional carry states. Is there any material addressing that in the bill like a nominal carry permit for those who complete a course of training?

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States with North Carolina Agreements

Alabama Kentucky Oklahoma
Alaska Louisiana Pennsylvania
Arizona Michigan South Carolina
Arkansas Mississippi South Dakota
Colorado Missouri Tennessee
Delaware Montana Texas
Florida Nebraska Utah
Georgia Nevada Virginia
Idaho New Hampshire (resident permits only) Washington
Indiana New Mexico West Virginia
Iowa North Dakota Wisconsin
Kansas Ohio Wyoming
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The bill only removes the requirement of a permit in locations that it is currently legal to OC. So there are still a number of locations that a CHP will be needed for, thus it will be maintained.
 
np307 said:
The bill only removes the requirement of a permit in locations that it is currently legal to OC. So there are still a number of locations that a CHP will be needed for, thus it will be maintained.
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Agreed it does not loosen any laws or allow us with CHP anymore freedoms.
 
Mikail said:
A side question on 'state' level constitutional carry and reciprocity...
NC has one of the best recognized CHPs in the country. If you travel, you have a super majority of states (~36) reciprocating based on the present system's requirement.

No permit means no carry in any reciprocity state where permits are required? There ~13 constitutional carry states. Is there any material addressing that in the bill like a nominal carry permit for those who complete a course of training?

Constitutional-Carry-States-2.png


States with North Carolina Agreements

Alabama Kentucky Oklahoma
Alaska Louisiana Pennsylvania
Arizona Michigan South Carolina
Arkansas Mississippi South Dakota
Colorado Missouri Tennessee
Delaware Montana Texas
Florida Nebraska Utah
Georgia Nevada Virginia
Idaho New Hampshire (resident permits only) Washington
Indiana New Mexico West Virginia
Iowa North Dakota Wisconsin
Kansas Ohio Wyoming
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Hahah are you kidding? They can barely get enough to agree on this! The left wants to do away with permits and guns and the right just wants to do enough to keep the NRA happy and paying
 
This is a worthless bill. It has so many holes in it that it's got no teeth. It does nothing for the majority of us. It's a waste of political time and muscle if they manage to push it through. We get nothing of use, they get to call it a win and sit on those laurels for god knows how long, and useful legislation falls to the wayside...
 
bigfelipe said:
This is a worthless bill. It has so many holes in it that it's got no teeth. It does nothing for the majority of us. It's a waste of political time and muscle if they manage to push it through. We get nothing of use, they get to call it a win and sit on those laurels for god knows how long, and useful legislation falls to the wayside...
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The bill is far from perfect, but it does allow nearly anyone who can legally own a handgun to carry it concealed without a permit.

In my book it is a pretty big deal for the vast majority of the people to be able to exercise a right without begging the government for permission.
 
gc70 said:
The bill is far from perfect, but it does allow nearly anyone who can legally own a handgun to carry it concealed without a permit.

In my book it is a pretty big deal for the vast majority of the people to be able to exercise a right without begging the government for permission.
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Sure... except you can't carry it concealed to the majority of the places you go in your daily life or even by your daily mode of travel... worthless...
 
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