Sure, just like all concealed carry in NC was until a year or so ago ... worthless.
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NC Constitutional Carry moves forward
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Sure, just like all concealed carry in NC was until a year or so ago ... worthless.
They give the RNC $$$ and they use it locally
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There is symbol here, and there is getting it done. This bill is DOA second round. Everyone knows that. But it didn't have to be that way. People draw lines and don't want to be flexible so...here's what you get...NOTHING!
This bill could have been written so it would have passed. ANYTHING is better than NOTHING. But I'm sure some here will disagree and it's your right. Meanwhile the media and left will continue to chip away at what we do have.
Can you tell I'm frustrated! You want to pass a bill, be reasonable with what's in it. You may not get the touchdown you wanted but you move the football another 10 yards.
It's late, I'm tired. Have a 5:48 am flight to NYC in the morning. REALLY looking forward to being in the center of Bloombergville (who the heck elects a carpetbagger from Arkansas as your Senator).
This bill could have been written so it would have passed. ANYTHING is better than NOTHING. But I'm sure some here will disagree and it's your right. Meanwhile the media and left will continue to chip away at what we do have.
Can you tell I'm frustrated! You want to pass a bill, be reasonable with what's in it. You may not get the touchdown you wanted but you move the football another 10 yards.
It's late, I'm tired. Have a 5:48 am flight to NYC in the morning. REALLY looking forward to being in the center of Bloombergville (who the heck elects a carpetbagger from Arkansas as your Senator).
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While everyone else is debating/arguing about YOUR football, just tuck it under your arm, casually stroll across the goal line and quietly say to yourself, "T f*cking D"...
because you can.
The bill would allow you to CC anywhere it is legal to OC. I don't have a CHP. I carry open everyday, everywhere I go. We don't eat out much, and there are a lot of places that don't serve alcohol if we do. I don't frequent parades or picket lines. There really aren't many places that I can't go. Having the option to CC would be nice, but I would really only need it when I get my haircut.
For someone else, though, who doesn't want to OC, CC without the privelege card would be great
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Any bit of gun freedom we get is great, I support this bill because it does protect those without a permit, sure pure constitutional carry would be great, but Rome won't built in a day. As long as we are not going backwards then that's good, which, in this bill some from the left are trying to take us backwards with their "amendments"
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Per this morning's @GRNC alert I sent the emails to the traitorous cuckservatives. I explicitly called out Faircloth in the message that went to all of them pointing out that he is derrilict in his duty to represent the people of his constituency, including me, and not his special interest buddies on his side of the thin blue line.
If this bill fails, I am going to ramp up the shaming campaign against him.
I'm sure I'm already on his shit list because I recently wrote to him on paper stating how I was pissed at this recent Repug Witch Hunt allegedly to find fraud of state employees, who are already paying outrageous amounts of money for crappy health insurance when they put their spouses on the policy. By making them prove their married. I told him that the pugs need to cut this kind of crap out and pass pro gun bills.
If this bill fails, I am going to ramp up the shaming campaign against him.
I'm sure I'm already on his shit list because I recently wrote to him on paper stating how I was pissed at this recent Repug Witch Hunt allegedly to find fraud of state employees, who are already paying outrageous amounts of money for crappy health insurance when they put their spouses on the policy. By making them prove their married. I told him that the pugs need to cut this kind of crap out and pass pro gun bills.
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RedneckFur
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Any step in the right direction, even a small step, is a good thing. Sure, this is far from perfect, but its still progress.
Having an "all or nothing" stance on it really won't get us anywhere. We gotta get it one tiny bite at a time.
Having an "all or nothing" stance on it really won't get us anywhere. We gotta get it one tiny bite at a time.
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Oh Roy?.......
Oh Roy?.......
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drypowder
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Fired off emails this morning to the 8 Republicucks who voted against. Rather than blast them, I pointed out how the same fearmongering arguments are always used in every state with every piece of pro-gun legislation, but that none of these dire prophecies of blood in the streets comes to pass. I then urged them to vote for the bill on third reading and again to override Cooper's anticipated veto.
Voting against the bill when it's just a House bill and when you know it's going to pass without your vote, isn't a high stakes vote. So I wouldn't be certain that these 8 cucks will vote against when it comes time to override and when their votes will be the deciding factor. We just have to keep up the pressure.
Remember, Bloomberg and the left are counting on your apathy so that they can stop the progress we've been making for several years in NC (2011, 2013, and 2015).
Voting against the bill when it's just a House bill and when you know it's going to pass without your vote, isn't a high stakes vote. So I wouldn't be certain that these 8 cucks will vote against when it comes time to override and when their votes will be the deciding factor. We just have to keep up the pressure.
Remember, Bloomberg and the left are counting on your apathy so that they can stop the progress we've been making for several years in NC (2011, 2013, and 2015).
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Agreed! I don't see it passing him without being vetoed in the name of his party, and children, isn't that the way he usually works?
So it's OK to steal from the tax payers, since you are having to pay more than you want to for your spouse's insurance? And the bad guys are the ones who want you to stop stealing from them? All they are asking is that if you want spousal coverage, you prove you are married. When I ask for a veteran's discount at Home Depot, and they ask to see my ID card, are they on a witch hunt? Please tell me you are not in any state job where you handle money because you seem to think stealing is OK.
No stealing is not ok, but like the silly push for drug testing welfare, voter fraud, and every other stupid witch hunt the dumbass Republicucks come up with it's going to waste even more of my stolen tax money to prove their insanity than will ever be recovered. Do you have any clue of how many man hours it will take to process millions of documents to find a very small amount of potential fraud'?
Believe me, the cost versus the benefits are such that few, if any would choose to buy State spousal coverage if they had a decent choice. Thanks to Ozero care, there aren't many.
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Because unless you get Faircloth and the gang of 8, it's DOA. The numbers aren't there for a veto override...and Cooper WILL veto it.
I don't think you understand.
Free Men and Free Women are Free because they intend to be. If the law is tolerable, they follow it. If it's impractical, they bend it.
If it's intolerable, they break it.
Every law, edict, regulation, statute, court order, a finding requires the consent and obedience of the People or it's not worth the ink and paper it's printed upon.
Being Free is an individual choice, in direct conflict with government no matter how limited.
What my esteemed friend is telling you is the legislature can play its silly games and wallow in its own self importance.
Free Men and Free Women will do what they choose.
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"Millions"? Not even close; there are less than 400,000 state employees, and probably less than 100,000 have coverage for their spouse (singles, or spouse works elsewhere).
Most people who work in the productive sector will tell you they have to provide documentation to get insurance coverage for their spouses. I don't call the HR lady a name for asking for it, and I don't know why you think state employees shouldn't have to provide it.
Roy Cooper is Governor by about 10,000 votes. Obummer "won" the state in 2008 by about 15,000 votes. The proven fraud in the story below is more than either of these margins of victory. So voter fraud is real, and enough to change a statewide election. Still want to call it a stupid witch hunt?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybe...assive-voter-fraud-in-north-carolina-n1818137
It's a waste of money. Money stolen from you and I, but that is no surpris because the Reoublicucks are a waste of life.
@MostWanted some of you right wingers are as bad as the Dims when it comes to your pet "trigger" issues just like they're engaging in now over the Russians stealing Clinton's coronation.
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I understand perfectly. Feel free to bend the law or break it all you want. I choose to live within the law. How hypocritial is it to stand here and claim some laws don't matter because you don't believe in them while at the same time wanting to see things like our immigration laws or other laws you do believe in enforced?
Sorry, call me sheeple but the law is the law. Don't like the law, try and change it which is what I do with my donations and my vote. But I try my best not to break it.
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So where do you draw the line on what you would follow as law? I'm honestly just curious.
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I feel no compunction to abide by an unconstitutional or immoral law.
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I guess it comes down to each his own personal morals. Some laws have greater consequences than others. Gun laws are what I would consider serious laws. Speed limit laws less so. I do admit to not driving exactly 55 mph or under.
But my problem with gun laws and gun owners pushing the limits is that it just gives liberal anti-gun folks more fodder to use against us for passing more restrictions. Do what you want. But when it starts to affect me that is when I have a problem with it.
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So you only obey the laws that you feel you should, just like @SPM said? You mentioned gun laws being serious laws you would follow. Does that mean you would turn yours in should the state outlaw all privately owned firearms?
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That isn't a question that should be asked or answered in a public forum.
I have a problem with the criminals breaking the law and doing bad things with guns. The tightening of laws are a reaction to them, not "gun owners". When new laws start to affect me that's when I have a problem with those laws.
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Same reply.
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drypowder
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The point is get involved and apply pressure to the legislature so that we can keep pushing the law in our favor, which bypasses difficult decisions about committing malum prohibitum felonies, or worse, putting your children in a position where they have to make that decision when they move out of your home or when you die.
Everyone has a permit it's called the 2A.
ok hadn't said much on this but Murphy does have a valid question how is that part going to be handled if this does pass? I mean either way I'll keep getting the permit as it is useful for other states as well and a lot easier to deal with. Still that is a question I know most won't say anything unless they normally carry it's gonna be the younger kid who just starts carrying and wants to be all grown and hopefully not try to be a smartass and get themselves shot
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You do realize that a number of states have already adopted constitutional carry?
Please show me the surge in young adults who have negligently shot themselves or their friends following the adoption of constitutional carry.
If it's not in the data, it's just a hypothesis. Kind of like the gun controller's hypothesis that NC getting restaurant carry in 2013 would lead to raging gun battles in our restaurants - despite all the evidence from prior states that had previously adopted restaurant carry with no ill effect. And guess what happened after NC passed restaurant carry? Nothing.
I see no reason to expect NC's experience with constitutional carry will be substantially different from the other states that have adopted it. If you think NC's young adults are somehow different from those in the other CC states, please explain.
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Very true but we all know this America we got now is running over the brim with stupidity. I can understand anyone not wanting to have to pay to carry it is unconstitutional. I know 99% of people who will carry either way won't be wanting to do stupid crap with their guns but there are the idiots. Those who once they can will go get a handgun and carry waiting to show it off and will probably end up getting shot
I agree with you I'm all for not having to pay to carry and I also agree that most of our younger kids are going to be model owners of guns but we will always had those stupid ones