Alec Baldwin shoots and kills film crew member, injures another 'didnt know it was loaded'

I saw a 20 yr old shot dead being shown a pistol at quick stop type store in the 60s, I was about 3' away in the checkout line. I was 8 years old sent in to retrieve a Sunday morning news paper.
He was dead before he hit the floor.
At that age I had hunted squirrels, rabbits, with adult supervision.
Only times it ever bothered me was and still does is seeing strangers handling guns.
 
I wonder when they will start investigating the company that made the girl's clothes since they failed to protect her from a bullet. That makes about as much sense as some of the garbage they try.
 
I read on yahoo today that he said he never actually pulled the trigger🙄
 
HMP said:
I saw an article earlier, which I didnt read because the title alone was dumb enough, about they're investigating the ammo maker now...WHY?
Will they investigate BP or Exxon for the WI guy who ran over people?
AB shot the person, who made the bullet is not relevant
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I read an article today that implied somebody saved the spent brass from blanks made by that company and reloaded them. They are part of the investigation, because the brass has their head stamp on it.
 
But, did he point the gun?

The suspected live ammo were reloads. They might have come from an ordanance supplier, who might have gotten them from the father of the female on set "armorer". They were supposedly loaded Starline brass.

At least that's what I heard in the last interation of the blame game.

Was there a grassy knoll nearby?

The director is still alive and I'm waiting to hear his version of the moments before the shooting.
 
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It should be a short trial. Prosecutor, “ Mr Baldwin, you as an anti gun nut ever had a gun safety class? Have you ever handled a real weapon loaded with real bullets? Have you ever hired an NRA ”qualified “ armorer on any of your sets? My 3 year old grandson knows not to point his toy guns at people and pull the trigger, why don’t you? You rail about other people shooting people to take the responsibility, but yet you don’t!? Why do uninformed anti gun people like yourself continue to earn a living by making movies that star people with guns killing huge numbers of people!?” Jury, “ We the jury find the defendant guilty of not only murder, but of stupidity!”
 
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I disagree. Apparently it was one of those self-detonating rounds.
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Those are the same type rounds that the P320s use when they go off by themselves in holsters and purses.

It took Alec 41 days to recall that he did not "actually pull" the trigger on the gun. Had he ever said that before yesterday?
 
dmarbell said:
It took Alec 41 days to recall that he did not "actually pull" the trigger on the gun. Had he ever said that before yesterday?
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It took those days to hire attorneys, PR and crisis management firms, identify the most favorable interviewer and “the exclusive deal”, write and memorize the answers, rehearse the interview with a particular focus on “tears on demand”, conduct focus groups, etc.
 
Jeppo said:
It took those days to hire attorneys, PR and crisis management firms, identify the most favorable interviewer and “the exclusive deal”, write and memorize the answers, rehearse the interview with a particular focus on “tears on demand”, conduct focus groups, etc.
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The "tears on demand" was probably not hard to acquire, as Alec at age 63 realizes his earning potential went to zero with a single non-pull of a trigger.
 
If I was prosecuting, first thing I'd ask is "Mr. Baldwin, is it true that you get paid vast sums of money to say things that are not true, and show emotions that you don't actually feel?" - even if the obvious objection gets sustained, the point is made and the seed is sown.,
 
Charlie said:
Did he cock the revolver? A single action revolver hardly ever fires unless the hammer is first cocked.
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His claim is that he was told to go ahead and cock the hammer by the woman he killed and that when he let go of the hammer and it went off. Climing he never actually had his finger on the trigger.
 
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Does the revolver have a transfer bar? As I understand it, the revolver was made by Pietta of Italy which has some models with a transfer bar. If the model Baldwin had a transfer bar, the trigger would have been pulled to the rear to actuate the transfer bar: making it easier to prove he lied.
 
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If I could give him any advice it would be to drop this line of BS and start showing some friggin remorse.
 
But did he cock the hammer? Was the right question asked (probably not)? I didn't, and won't watch the interview.

And if he did cock the hammer (probably did), why (if it was just for the director to determine camera angles)?
 
Baldwin also says he feels no guilt for shooting a coworker.
 
He is freaking prick the more he opens his mouth the stupider he sounds.

He said today that he was told to never check a firearm on set. Then he went off about George Clooney telling him he should have checked the gun before the scene started
 
Actors make their living in a make believe world being told what to say, how to say it, and when to say it. Problem for him is this is not make believe and his theatrics with George Snuffalufagus will have no bearing when he is under oath in the courtroom.
 
Glocker said:
Actors make their living in a make believe world being told what to say, how to say it, and when to say it. Problem for him is this is not make believe and his theatrics with George Snuffalufagus will have no bearing when he is under oath in the courtroom.
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I am strongly opposed to linking Mr. Snuffleupagus with George Stephanopoulos. Mr. Snuffleupagus doesn't deserve that kind of abuse.
 
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When that goes to trial the jury won't deliberate long unless they have received gift certificates from an anonymous source. Then they will have to act. But in reality that jerk will have his insurance company pay the money and he will not be affected at all. Prick!
 
Radar said:
He is freaking prick the more he opens his mouth the stupider he sounds.

He said today that he was told to never check a firearm on set. Then he went off about George Clooney telling him he should have checked the gun before the scene started
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So, all he's doing for me is confirming he's a lying sack of shit.

Told never to check a firearm on set my ass.
 
chiefjason said:
Yeah. This is a good place to start. The Q stuff is nutty. For an “insider” they didn’t seem to know much.
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elirab said:
I am strongly opposed to linking Mr. Snuffleupagus with George Stephanopoulos. Mr. Snuffleupagus doesn't deserve that kind of abuse.
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No link implied dear sir, hence the fo-net-ik spelling.George is a muppet that has not yet learned how to add things up and earns millions of unscrupulous dollars with someone else’s hand up his muppet hole moving his mouth. Snuffy was an upstanding citizen and had a unwavering moral compass.One is a make believe elephant and the other is an elephant’s ass. Plus if George ever left the neighborhood I doubt anyone on the street would be sad.
 


So, assuming Baldwin is telling the truth(and you'd be a fool to assume he is not covering his butt and lying at least at some point), this is how the scenario plays out in my mind:

Alec Baldwin is holding the gun for a shot. The cinematographer has him cock a SAA pistol for a test shot in the camera. They're testing how well it comes through on the camera, with him thumbing the hammer back. At this point, it's probably past half cock, into full cock, as they are paying attention to the angle of the shot.

Baldwin releases the hammer after they get what they want for the shot. The hammer goes forward, gun goes off.

Baldwin thinks there's something broken on the gun, and the hammer is broken and goes forward on it's own, without staying locked back, and that he never touched the hammer.

What I think happened: Both Baldwin and the cinematographer were paying attention to the angle of the gun and hammer for getting the right shot for the camera. They were both focused on it, and Baldwin didn't realize he was thumbing back the hammer while pulling the trigger. Releases the hammer when they get the shot, and the gun goes off. Negligent discharge, but sorta not really but kinda understandable for a non gun guy trying to work out a lighting and camera angle scene to make. Which leads back to why the gun would be loaded, even with blanks, for that.

That's assuming we believe him. I would bet, since this was for a movie, this was all recorded, so is probably decently close to what happened.
 
He said he has been told there’s very little chance he could be charged criminally. Apparently, he’s not in contact with the DA.
 
I don't see how you just shot someone who fell down and hit someone standing behind them and don't realize it for 45 minutes. Nobody who just got shot say anything? He had blood on his shirt, where did that come from? B S !
 
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Baldwin thinks there's something broken on the gun, and the hammer is broken and goes forward on it's own, without staying locked back, and that he never touched the hammer trigger.
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What I think happened: Both Baldwin and the cinematographer were paying attention to the angle of the gun and hammer for getting the right shot for the camera. They were both focused on it, and Baldwin didn't realize he was thumbing back the hammer while pulling the trigger while thumbing back the hammer. Releases the hammer when they get the shot, and the gun goes off. Negligent discharge, but sorta not really but kinda understandable for a non gun guy trying to work out a lighting and camera angle scene to make. Which leads back to why the gun would be loaded, even with blanks, for that.
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I agree, but I think you made two unintentional mistakes. It sounds plausible to me.
 
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