Alec Baldwin shoots and kills film crew member, injures another 'didnt know it was loaded'

Did you point a deadly weapon at another person?

End of story. Doesn't matter if it is a wheelgun, how old it is, or a mag fed or striker fired weapon. You point it at someone, it is reckless endangerment, if it is not a situation that justifies use of deadly force.

If you recklessly endanger someone and they die from it, then you bear those consequences, as well.

again, end of story.

I don't see why this is a big deal except the celebrity status of the person involved.
 
tanstaafl72555 said:
Did you point a deadly weapon at another person?

End of story. Doesn't matter if it is a wheelgun, how old it is, or a mag fed or striker fired weapon. You point it at someone, it is reckless endangerment, if it is not a situation that justifies use of deadly force.

If you recklessly endanger someone and they die from it, then you bear those consequences, as well.

again, end of story.

I don't see why this is a big deal except the celebrity status of the person involved.
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But he is an actor, surely the rules should not apply to him
 
The point has been totally missed by this idiot...actually, she very likely knows and is participating in a misdirection. In other words, she's lying.

Whether Alec Baldwin pulled the trigger and shot the person or whether he drew the hammer back and shot the person without touching the trigger amounts to EXACTLY the same thing: by his own actions, he pointed a firearm at a person, cocked the weapon, and shot her.

By his own action, he FAILED to follow the proper procedures carefully instituted to prevent exactly this sort of thing by personally checking the weapon to verify it was free and clear.

He. Is. STILL. Responsible.
 
But was the "very old type" gun he brought to test the same kind of gun? Pretty sure Alec had a reproduction with a transfer bar.

These are the same dumb mofos talking about banana clips and semi-auto ammo. He's gonna skate because of the usual "experts."
 
The civil suit is what's going to jam him up. Go back and read the link about it I posted on the previous page.

"At a news conference announcing the lawsuit, attorneys for the husband and 9-year-old son of Halyna Hutchins said that Baldwin refused training for the type of “cross-draw” he was performing when he fired the shot that killed her."
 
Timfoilhat said:
"At a news conference announcing the lawsuit, attorneys for the husband and 9-year-old son of Halyna Hutchins said that Baldwin refused training for the type of “cross-draw” he was performing when he fired the shot that killed her."
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Oops, that's the killer right there.
Pun intended.
 
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Schattenreiter said:
So it took 10 months to figure that one out? Seems to me any competent gunsmith could have figured that one out in a slow afternoon.
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It took a week to make the determination and 9.75 months to wait for Director Wray to decide whether to admit the truth.
 
AR10ShooterinNC said:
Do we believe the FBI, I don't trust them, even when I want to believe them.
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In this case I believe them only because it is a simple matter to determine if a firearm is functioning properly. I think we all suspected from the beginning that Baldwin pulled/held the trigger.
 
Climberman said:
… We all know Alec is a raging narcissist. One of those characteristics is an inability to admit fault. So he is going to shift the blame. He probably even believes his own lie by now.
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Well said. I guess the news is in fact forensics has dispelled (hopefully once and for all) there is no more wiggle room and the deceased’s family can move onto the next phase of recovering from this tragedy (whatever that is for them, bless them).

Well, at least Hollywierd and the Left will like,y allow The Narcissist to select his own meat thermometer cuz, well,



his azz is cooked, now!
 
bill, huh? did you mean to quote something and not respond?

but yes, sidearm in pocket while i lounge on couch, another 10 feet away, and an ar pistol 12 feet away.
be proud, sir.
 
AR10ShooterinNC said:
Do we believe the FBI, I don't trust them, even when I want to believe them.
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Yes, the FBI can be believed in this case, but only because they delayed reporting for 10 months what any gunsmith could have determined in less than an hour. When the FBI tries that hard to NOT disclose something, it has to be true.
 
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Was it an SA revolver? Was it cocked when it was handed to him? How many lbs was the trigger? If yes and yes and it was a 2lb or less trigger he could have not even realized he pulled it. If he had little firearms knowledge he probably just naturally had his finger on the trigger, because that's what any good movie star is supposed to do, right?
 
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I truly hope they take every cent Baldwin has. I understand it was not on purpose … he was an idiot who was wreckless BUT he was the biggest narcissistic ass in the way he denied his major role in the picture management as well as simply being the one who picked up the gun. He needed to grow a pair but the void there just gets wider and deeper …
 
Jeppo said:
“I didn’t pull the trigger.”

www.fox10phoenix.com

FBI forensic report concludes Alec Baldwin pulled trigger on 'Rust' set: report

Alec Baldwin was holding a gun that discharged on a New Mexico set, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.
www.fox10phoenix.com www.fox10phoenix.com
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The FBI conducted an accidental discharge test and determined the gun used in the fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins "could not be made to fire without a pull of the trigger," the report stated, according to the outlet.

WHAT?!?

Are they saying "Guns don't kill people, people kill people"? Is this an official endorsement, since it's from the FBI?

Doesn't that totally go against the gun control crowd's theme?
 
Flashpoint said:
Was it an SA revolver? Was it cocked when it was handed to him? How many lbs was the trigger? If yes and yes and it was a 2lb or less trigger he could have not even realized he pulled it. If he had little firearms knowledge he probably just naturally had his finger on the trigger, because that's what any good movie star is supposed to do, right?
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The story is that Baldwin pulled back the hammer and released it, subsequently firing the gun. He almost certainly was depressing the trigger while doing that, allowing the hammer to go forward, impacting the firing pin. So yes, in a roundabout way he pulled the trigger without realizing it.
 
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The cause of death is listed as accidental. Fix is in on the criminal side. The civil side might still vacuum his wallet.
 
AR10ShooterinNC said:
Do we believe the FBI, I don't trust them, even when I want to believe them.
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NO, we do not believe the FBI, EVER. We do believe what we all know to be truth, which is guns don't fire themselves. If the FBI in its maladroit politically driven "investigations" happens to stumble on that unavoidable truth, I believe we should 1) look around to see if there are circumstances that would suspend the common sense truth that the FBI may be exploiting and -failing that- 2) Trust the common sense facts we know to be true EVEN THOUGH the FBI states them.
 
Saw this today. My bet is there will be charges filed just so it can be said that "they tried", but I'm under no illusion that there will be a conviction. One can hope though I guess.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Alec Baldwin looks defeated as he faces criminal charges

Legal observers tell DailyMail.com Alec Baldwin's decision to sell his Hamptons home may be part of an effort to shift and potentially shield assets from lawsuits that could cost him a fortune.
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Lost my "give a darn" when it was all about he "didn't pull the trigger" "not his fault", other bs...

I expected to hear something about how terrible it was that a tool in his hand killed someone during a film production, if it was truly an accident. Ya know.

A mistake was made. Somewhere in the safety chain someone screwed up and he held the prop that killed a person... Accidents happen.

But nope. It was everyone/everything's fault but his own that when he pointed a gun/prop/whatever at someone and pulled the trigger he had not a single thing to do with the aftermath....
 
Railsplitter said:
Saw this today. My bet is there will be charges filed just so it can be said that "they tried", but I'm under no illusion that there will be a conviction. One can hope though I guess.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Alec Baldwin looks defeated as he faces criminal charges

Legal observers tell DailyMail.com Alec Baldwin's decision to sell his Hamptons home may be part of an effort to shift and potentially shield assets from lawsuits that could cost him a fortune.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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Off loading his home and other assets won't necessarily protect his assets. They have ways of getting those when it's obvious what he's doing.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
Off loading his home and other assets won't necessarily protect his assets. They have ways of getting those when it's obvious what he's doing.
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Rumor has it he's putting assets in trust for his kids. I think he and his latest wife just had a child. Child probably has $30 million about now.
 
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