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Certainly, I've been lucky not to run across the scalper (if that term can apply without prejudice) or the Hardees-hanger (c.f. Tailhunter above). The folks I've encountered at FLD have all been kind to a newbie - and I was fortunate to find this Site. A few days ago, I was just relating in another thread actually having #3 buck (20-g) sucked up literally as I was putting the credit-card order through. Here's a feel-good story: a member saw that post - which I was just sharing anecdotally to make the point that shotgun ammo is tight as well as 9mm etc. - and PM'd to offer to sell me some if I really was short. Another member here offered some help with my newly acquired shotgun including an invite to shoot.
So just wanted to post some of the good out there (in here) that may go unheralded.
On a side note - y'all think there's any pent up demand in this current shortage for 22 shorts, 22 longs or 22 magnums? Inherited some of those and I really don't/won't ever shoot them.
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The same can be said of people who stock up, can it not? EDIT: @zuerjoha beat me to it!
Aside from recreation and resale, has there ever been a reason for a private US citizen to own 10,000+ rounds of loaded ammo?
I’m not saying I don’t. I’m also not saying anyone shouldn’t. But the reality is, no one has ever needed to.
Feels pretty good at times like these to know that I and my family can recreationally shoot at our old levels for some time before we need to restock. That is a good reason to own all the ammo one can afford.
And with my family, 10,000 rounds of ammo doesn’t last that long, depending on what it is. That is a few to several months’ shooting 9mm if we are on our game and have the time.
.22LR? Even less time.
Has anybody shot up the 100k they hoarded up the last time. You may have to give them away.
I was thinking more in line of trading them. I'm also fine with just keeping them too.Has anybody shot up the 100k they hoarded up the last time. You may have to give them away.
Dang Brother all that shooting you must be one heck of a shot, “fly wings at a hundred good”.
ps ... you ever find a pallet of golden tiger or some good 9 mike mike and you need help purchasing it let me know.
Put up an ad, you’ll find someone in need I’m sure.
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You use M&M’s like I use pickles lolWhy do you hate gun ranges?
Seriously, though, as @wvsig mentioned upthread, we are in a bubble. Most folks go to the range the way most folks go bowling.
If bowling alleys only catered to leagues, and people who own their own shoes/balls, they'd soon be out of business.
Some bowlers have multiple balls.... some shooters have 10K of ammo. But most bowlers and shooters only buy as they go. Like me, with M&Ms for my belly. I don't stock up when prices are low.
OK, M&M's are a bad example... if I go to the movies, I do buy a pack before I get there.
Plus, as I try to explain to my wife.... every box of M&Ms comes with a free ammo can!
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I usually have three, sometimes four, kids with me. They burn through more ammo than I do.
Pallet of GT or good 9mm sounds great!
Yeah man, it was the same thing at the Academy in Burlington this morning. The reason for the line is the supply truck comes in Thursday morning, so that's when they have ammo in stock. Folks realize that and line up at the door first thing Thursday morning for their chance to get the new stock that came in. I went for the hell of it, because I would *like* to have more 9mm than I do. No such luck. All pistol calibers were sold out by the time I got my turn, and most of the .223 was gone. They did have a box of 68gr .224 bullets though, which was nice. Apparently even that's getting hard to find. Not the 75gr bullets I wanted, but whatever.
I went this morning mostly because I just wanted to get out of the house for a bit. But with supply truck day being the only chance to get ammo, and only then if you get there before the store opens, lol nah. Just nah. Not going to bother doing that again. That said, they also had some Hornady A-Max 168gr bullets in stock, and they had a set of 308win dies on sale for a great price, so while I didn't get the 9mm I'd like to have had, that was still worth the nice morning drive.
Granted, Dunham's right down the street also had lots of bricks of 22lr in stock, and even some Eley Club on sale, so that was nice too.
I went this morning mostly because I just wanted to get out of the house for a bit. But with supply truck day being the only chance to get ammo, and only then if you get there before the store opens, lol nah. Just nah. Not going to bother doing that again. That said, they also had some Hornady A-Max 168gr bullets in stock, and they had a set of 308win dies on sale for a great price, so while I didn't get the 9mm I'd like to have had, that was still worth the nice morning drive.
Granted, Dunham's right down the street also had lots of bricks of 22lr in stock, and even some Eley Club on sale, so that was nice too.
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This.
I almost got caught with my pants down during the 22LR shortage. That was when I was teaching my kid to shoot.
Stocked up with more than I'll ever need (I rarely shoot 22 anymore) when it was cheap.
That paid off this week when I got a 1911, but don't stock any 45. Traded off 22 for 45, and both parties was tickled to death to get what each of us got.
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Absolutely amen to everything you just said here. This. This is it. This is what's going on right now. The reality of it is that these people aren't idiots, they just were ignorant, unprepared, and didn't realize the scope of ammunition supply/demand. They're not part of "gun culture." They didn't know.
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Nobody needing 10,00 rounds? Right. Uh huh. Think about it a few minutes. Let us assume that the horror occurs and the lib/commie/maggots take control and make it very difficult to get any ammo. I certainly hope that does not occur, but it is in the realm of possibilities. I am coming up on being 70 years old my next birthday and hope on being able to shoot for another 20 years. Hopefully it will be longer. If I am able to shoot for the next 20 years, that will be 1,040 months. If we are still allowed to shoot, that would be only 9.6 rounds per month. That is not very much. Do I need 10,000 rounds? I might if things get ugly. I hope I will not need it because I hope I can replace what I shoot with new ammo, but that may not be possible. Do I want 10,000 rounds or more? I certainly do since I know not what the future holds. Like insurance, I hope I will never need it. Like money in the bank, I am glad it is there and I hope I never draw it down to a zero balance.
The game has changed in the last 7 months, and our "needs" may also have changed such that wants have become needs.
The game has changed in the last 7 months, and our "needs" may also have changed such that wants have become needs.
That does a good job to outline the importance of friends and good networking. We, here, do enjoy both. I have little doubt that if I fell under dire circumstances in regards to well...most anything...many people here would pitch in to help out.
Even if there is a sweep by the Dems your argument assumes that they hold power for the next 20 years. That is not going to happen. 4,6,8 maybe who knows. I also do not think that ammo is going away. It could become more restrictive. If it does it will become more expensive but the chances of you not being able to get any at any price is on its face pretty far fetched. IMHO
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That's only from a political perspective. There are many more scenarios that could restrict ammo production/availability, like a pandemic or something.
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For you relatively new ammo buyers, historical prices for ammo:
https://public.tableau.com/profile/matt.chambers#!/vizhome/Gun-DealsSalesData/SalesAnalysis
https://gun.deals/sites/default/files/Ammo.jpg
Now use your imagination for prices in the 1980's and 90's when most of use bought just a 'little'. I'm sure the 'old guys' remember how pissed off the delivery company drivers were when they had to get those wooden crates of the trucks. You could almost see the ass end of the trucks raise up. There were a few people that even bought pallets full.
What this boils down to is this is a new day and a new time. The prices for the next however many years are what they are, they could get worse or better. You'll now be making your marks on the new charts. You have to make a decision on how you want to spend your money. But be aware, the older you get probably the less money you will have for fun things.
https://public.tableau.com/profile/matt.chambers#!/vizhome/Gun-DealsSalesData/SalesAnalysis
https://gun.deals/sites/default/files/Ammo.jpg
Now use your imagination for prices in the 1980's and 90's when most of use bought just a 'little'. I'm sure the 'old guys' remember how pissed off the delivery company drivers were when they had to get those wooden crates of the trucks. You could almost see the ass end of the trucks raise up. There were a few people that even bought pallets full.
What this boils down to is this is a new day and a new time. The prices for the next however many years are what they are, they could get worse or better. You'll now be making your marks on the new charts. You have to make a decision on how you want to spend your money. But be aware, the older you get probably the less money you will have for fun things.
That's only from a political perspective. There are many more scenarios that could restrict ammo production/availability, like a pandemic or something.
Agree but I don't see that lasting for 20 years either. The idea that ammo will be restricted ad infinitum is a red herring. I am all for owning as much ammo as you can afford and store but idea that the Dems are going to sweep in in 2020 and lock us down for 20 year is simply not based in reality.
You speak true but the only problem I see is that rights taken away are typically very difficult to get back - especially when it comes to gun rights. Having to "register" to purchase ammo (current Kalifornia law) comes to mind.
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The same can be said of people who stock up, can it not? EDIT: @zuerjoha beat me to it!
Aside from recreation and resale, has there ever been a reason for a private US citizen to own 10,000+ rounds of loaded ammo?
I’m not saying I don’t. I’m also not saying anyone shouldn’t. But the reality is, no one has ever needed to.
you mean total or of a single caliber? I definitely [under normal circumstances] shoot 10k or more rounds of 22lr per year. I would estimate another 4k of 9mm and 3k of 223. Obviously my habits have drastically changed as of late. I don't have the $$$ to keep a 1-2 year future supply on hand while simultaneously funding ongoing consumption.
I agree but they are still buying ammo. Cost more and is more restrictive but again obtainable for a price. Not the ideal situation but it is not like you can't buy it.
The same can be said of people who stock up, can it not? EDIT: @zuerjoha beat me to it!
Aside from recreation and resale, has there ever been a reason for a private US citizen to own 10,000+ rounds of loaded ammo?
I’m not saying I don’t. I’m also not saying anyone shouldn’t. But the reality is, no one has ever needed to.
Only 10K?
Herein lies most of the angst you are seeing. We are used to ammo being free flowing and at a decent cost. We have seen dips and dives along the way. But we now are facing a Dem ticket that has repeatedly voiced anti-2A concerns as major cornerstones of their campaigns, both past and present. So we ARE trying to avoid a California-esque situation where we have to pay $1 per round of 9mm after getting a government issued license that allows us our specific allotment for the month. It is specifically that "cost more and is more restrictive" that will possibly not just go away, perhaps ever, should the Dems lock it down.
So, it is a valid concern, not a Red Herring. It may not be the biggest concern for many people, or even considered much of a concern to you. But to those who shoot as a major hobby and is a part of their lives it is one. Not all of us just buy cases upon cases of ammo and sit on it like a throne of pewpew. Many here shoot 500-1000+ rounds per month, during a slow time. Heck, to many here 500-1000 is just a relaxing Saturday afternoon.
Higher cost is a concern not being able to buy ammo for the next 20 year is not. It is a red herring. Read what @Charlie wrote. His argument is based on not just paying more but not being able to get any.
I agree we are looking at a climate where Dems if they win will push to try to restrict guns and ammo sales. They will push to do it on a national level. I personally believe they will be limited in what they will be able to do nationally. I personally think the real danger is at the state level but I believe that if the Dems win there will be national initiatives some of which might pass.
In the end its all good. People need to do what they need to do. They should buy what they feel they need to keep themselves safe and happy. I don't begrudge people either way.
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No, all it takes is an unelected agency, or other executive-branch decision maker (BATF), or the executive him(her)self to say:
(EPA) Lead is a toxin and must be taxed to pay for the environmental damage. We got rid of lead wheel weights, and now we're coming from all the evil lead you put into berms and into poor animals dying from very-fast lead poisoning. (@See the EPA limit how big your toilet can be, or California banning lead for hunting)
(BATF) "A gun which can fire faster than a bolt action is now classified as a 'machine gun'" (see: Bump Stocks, perfectly legal, but now a machine gun).
(Executive) "There's a crisis going on and everything must be locked down. Ammunition must be saved for public servants and the military." (@See timber and aluminum)
The problem really is that the executive branch has greatly outgrown its designs by unelected agencies deciding everything for every state.
So, it's not a red herring- any of those above could happen so being prepared has been my mantra since I was a boy scout.
I wonder if there was anybody saying the same thing about full auto machine guns before the NFA or the Hughes amendment?
I wouldn’t put anything past the demonrats at this point up to and including an “ammo ban” or “mandatory ammo buyback” we take for granted that it will never happen here...but I know, I have been wrong before, how about you?
I went back and read his response...he said "and make it very difficult to get any ammo" not "I wont be able to get it". His comment on how long 10,000 rounds lasts mirrors what I mentioned above...many here shoot hundreds to thousands of rounds per month both competitively and recreationally. So the flavor of restrictions we have seen, especially in California, make keeping up that steady use cost prohibitive to many. So his arguement, as I read it, is that with the Dems in power the lasting effects on the steady supply of ammo that we can use, as we are accostomed to using, will be restricted severely.
Can a regular citizen buy a newly manufactured machine gun? Can you go down to the LGS and walk out with a suppressor without a bunch of paperwork? Those laws have been on the books through administrations from both sides and are still with us. It is very difficult, as mentioned earlier, to reclaim a right that the politicians restrict. There is also the very real possibility that our system will be dramatically changed for quite a while if the commies win this year. That is what they want, and that is what they are trying really hard to accomplish. People who vote for them and people who do not vote against them may let that happen. If it does happen, there probably will be new laws that will be hard to get off the books.
I wonder if there was anybody saying the same thing about full auto machine guns before the NFA or the Hughes amendment?
Well...allegedly the new VP candidate was quoted as saying that when she gets in she is coming for revenge against any and all who supported the Trump administration...
I think my concern, and many share it, is that the election will not be pretty, either way. If the Dems lose, they will loot and burn out of anger. If the Dems win, they will loot and burn out of revenge.
And to make a major profit from those young folks that are just catching on to the ‘need’.
Just a side note about ammo hoarding; many in this world know when things go south to the point of shooting for survival the hoarders will be the first to visit and kill for their goods.
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When I have moved the moving company will move the brass and the bullets but no powder, primers or loaded ammo. They won't move the gun either. At least not on the books.
Right but in order to make his point he divides 10,000 by 20 years. That is a strawman backing up the red herring. I do not necessarily disagree that there is a possibility of restrictions coming. I objection is the poor logic being used to support the argument being presented. It is circular logic. It is false on its face and only works if you already believe the conclusion is valid. I guess my way of thinking is to not use scare tactics to get people to see the reality of the situation. It is better to use logic and reason. If you rely on circular reasoning and poor syllogism then you will never convince someone who does not already believe your position that your fears are valid. I watch all sides of all debates do this constantly.
