And all of this means my intellect will only allow me to shoot fixed sight handguns.
You'd be surprised how easy it is once you have the correct formula. Additionally, once you have all your data for distances you want to shoot, it's even easier.And all of this means my intellect will only allow me to shoot fixed sight handguns.
I can certainly appreciate that. Remember I'm Old and my lack of knowledge on many things is outweighed by my lack of interest. I have enjoyed This thread though. Seems like Boyette is On it.You'd be surprised how easy it is once you have the correct formula. Additionally, once you have all your data for distances you want to shoot, it's even easier.
You'd be more impressed after taking one of his classes. I wish I had more time to spend on this sort of thing though, but I'm currently resigned to an occasional hobby.I can certainly appreciate that. Remember I'm Old and my lack of knowledge on many things is outweighed by my lack of interest. I have enjoyed This thread though. Seems like Boyette is On it.
He has shown interest in the past of coming here. Perhaps one day...……….You'd be more impressed after taking one of his classes.
He has shown interest in the past of coming here. Perhaps one day...……….
Maybe here???????Yep, have trained with @JBoyette, I believe I've taken around 4 classes, and have always felt like I got my money's worth. Need to do another someday, hopefully sooner rather than later.
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You know I'd be in for that.Maybe here???????
So was this a CM to MM conversion? I read everything and that is what I got.
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And all of this means my intellect will only allow me to shoot fixed sight handguns.
So was this a CM to MM conversion? I read everything and that is what I got.
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Not at all.
This has nothing to do with a linear unit of measure. mm, cm is 1000% the problem. This optic is .025 MIL per-click. industry standard is .1 mil It is incorrectly labeled from the factory on the turret knobs.
The equivalent most of us are use to in MOA is 1/4 MOA to 1/8th MOA click.
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Check it out.
Let let say on your path that the linear unit of measure matters. Lets take it one step beyond and remove the whole idea of angle unit of measure and then, an American Market focused Riflescope
At 50yds the click is 1/8th"
- 4 clicks = 1" @100yds
- 1/4" inch per-click elevation and windage
At 200yds the click is 1/2"
At 300yds the click is 3/4"
So for me to make since of this optic the engraving and manufacture info only works at 100yds and in inches right?
Well no, I could measure that adjustment at 100yds in meters because I am a green card holder.
4 clicks now = 2.54cm
At 50yds the click is .3175
At 200yds the click is 1.27cm
At 300yds the click is 1.905cm
So hold the phone, when my distance changes, the value of the click changes? Yes in a linear unit of measure world.
BUT oh man, that's alot to keep track of, how could a system help me not have so many adjusting numbers to keep track of?
MAYBE just MAYBE linear is the wrong way to measure angles?
Angles have degrees and stuff, they get bigger over distance. Could a angle maintain is over distance and still maintain its degree vector? Yeah they do. But whats the distance between 1 degree from the other? Well yes, each degree has 60 Minute's of angle (MOA) between each degree.
So if thats true, then how does MOA solve this changing number issue that linear unit of measure has?
Here is the apple to apples comparison.
Inches and yards:
At 50yds the click is 1/4 MOA
- 4 clicks = 1 MOA @100yds
- 1/4" MOA per-click elevation and windage
At 200yds the click is 1/4 MOA
At 300yds the click is 1/4 MOA
Metric
At 50yds the click is 1/4 MOA
- 4 clicks = 1 MOA @100yds
- 1/4" MOA per-click elevation and windage
At 200yds the click is 1/4 MOA
At 300yds the click is 1/4 MOA
Just my observation.
it's correspondence with the metric system
"So how do you adjust if they say you were 2 ft to the right?". It raised a really good point concerning being capable of making precise adjustments if you're using a spotter unfamiliar with your optic/reticle/measuring system
Metrics make it easier because of the base-10 values being easy to calc in your head.
It's important to match system, whichever you choose, to your partner/spotter for quickest communication.
Other than not being able to actually FIND targets, this was/would have been our main hinderance when we did that match together last year. You were running MOA, I was running MIL. So, if I was able to spot a miss while you were shooting, I could use my reticle to say, "you were .3 MIL low" but that would be gibberish to an MOA shooter.
It's important to match system, whichever you choose, to your partner/spotter for quickest communication.
Other than not being able to actually FIND targets, this was/would have been our main hinderance when we did that match together last year. You were running MOA, I was running MIL. So, if I was able to spot a miss while you were shooting, I could use my reticle to say, "you were .3 MIL low" but that would be gibberish to an MOA shooter.
It's important to match system, whichever you choose, to your partner/spotter for quickest communication.
The correct answer is not 2 ft its X MOA as in at 100yds its 24 MOA right, or at 400yds its 4 MOA right. The 2 feet "24 inches" is pointless. The Proper way to learn LongRange shooting in in Angular Unit of Measures.
The paragraph before this was about converting between MOA/Mils on the fly.
Let's say you're measuring an 18" target in the reticle, it reads 3 MOA across: you can't turn 2ft into 4 MOA, but you can convert MOA/Mils with ease?
Calling a miss in feet isn't preferable or even recommended, but if you're unable to make that useful, go ahead and conduct a field course in angular mathematics with your spotter. Me, I'll just conclude that I need to move 5.5 MOA left and send it.
Ok I quit
Going for 1000 in the morning.
Yes. Also going to give the MR762 a shot. Running a NightForce NXS 8-32x56 mil/mil with 0.1mil adjustments.11.2 mil or so?
Yes. Also going to give the MR762 a shot. Running a NightForce NXS 8-32x56 mil/mil with 0.1mil adjustments.
Both rifles have plenty of range of adjustment.
Going for 1000 in the morning.
It's just made my head ache....I have enjoyed This thread though.
Hawk's RidgeBest of luck to you! Can't wait to hear how it went. Where are you going to shoot?
Wind was rough today. Disappointing, but was an excellent tool to show me my limitations in wind. 10 to 12 mph sustained with 30 mph gusts, with variable directions.
Elevation calculations were spot on and it's nice to be able to shoot, and wait to see the impact down range.
975 yards was a bit easier since the target was more protected from wind.
The 12-50 powered Schmidt & Bender PMII was outstanding. I could clearly spot all impacts for everyone with the scope out to 1000. I let the owner use my spotting scope since I had no use for it today.
Will post pics in the morning.