Can You Survive A Month Without Any Outside Help?

We have gone two weeks after one of the hurricanes with no power and the roads were blocked for over half that time by trees and flood waters. A lot of it is mental prep too. We simply go into "camping mode" and within hours we have a campfire going (plenty of down wood in our woods) with a pot of water going (filtered from pond) a 5 gallon jug, painted black, of water sitting in the sun, and start thinking of cooking stuff. We always keep any empty space in our chest freezers full of gallon jugs of frozen water. We never open them during this time unless absolutely necessary, usually once a day to get a piece of meat. Chest freezers full of ice will keep for a week or longer. First stuff to go is the kitchen fridge, then the upright freezer (they suck by the way) where we keep the frozen veggies and stuff that will go bad over a few days. After that it's a mix of freeze dried crap, canned goods, meat from the chest freezers, and maybe some fish from the pond. After the first week it gets to be routine and not that bad. We are not prepared for long term survival because the quality of life would suck after a month or two when the single malt runs out. Who wants to live like a savage for the rest of their miserable lives? Not me.
 
We are seriously looking into complete off grid options for our Wilkes Co home. Like solar/battery with a propane genset backup. It's doable but there are tradeoffs and some of those get expensive. We are a few years out from starting the actual build so learning and planning right now. If we can pull off no connection at all to the grid, I'll be a happy man.
When you do this, I’d like to know who you go through for the solar and how happy you are with it. Keep me in mind please!
@Michael458
 
Solar is expensive and can get very complicated........ So if you decide on a solar system, my best advice would be stay as simple as possible, and even then.................

I have a 16kw system by Outback here at home, we put in several years ago. It is a extremely complicated system. It was not cheap either. It can be totally off grid. Yes, if everything is up and running, you can have the power needed for most of your survival needs. You still have to manage power properly. The big heat and air con units you can forget, especially the heat. Those big 5 ton units suck up power like you can't believe. We do have a few of the Mitsubishi units that are not so power hungry, normally 1.5kw and you can have some comfort with those, with the solar power, without kicking the system.

You have to get very serious about managing your power, and shutting systems down when the sun goes down. As the sun goes down, we start shutting everything off, except all fridges and freezers and a few lights which are all LED. We can run all fridges and freezers all night until the sun comes up the next day without issue, our batteries go down to around 75-80% overnight. We have 24 large Outback batteries, would have to look at the exact specs if asked, as I don't remember exactly........ Once the sun starts hitting the panels, all power goes to charging batteries back up to 100%. Through the night the freezers and fridges here run from 1-1.5kw. You can start using the system if you have sunshine as the day moves forward. What you cannot use is ovens, heat pumps, dryers and such as that....... Just draw way too much electricity........ What you can run is your water! Having a well 350 ft deep, water is very important, most well pumps pull around 2kw when running. When we did the solar, we also did the hybrid hot water heaters, and we can run those without issue and have hot water, very important for moral, at least for me!

Now you can get by and survive on far less than a 16kw system, but solar is not very efficient, I do not have 16kw to work with. In the winter, because of the position of the sun and the location of my panels, I hit about 8-9kw at best on good days........... summer I hit 12-13kw at best....... I think you could get by reasonably with a 8kw systems and a good size battery bank. Remember, every bit of power flows through the batteries, and out the batteries........... So the batteries are extremely important and vital to your off grid use.

The 16kw system I run here, was put in about 6-7 years ago, and at that time cost a tad over $110'000.00. It is tied to the grid, and if I managed it daily then you could expect it to pay for itself in 20++++ years........ So get that out of your mind............ this system is for "When" the shit hits the fan..............

One of the biggest issues is maintaining the system, it requires update and experienced people. The company that put the system in was really good at the time, but only because of the people doing the work. They were competent. Those people are no longer with that company, and I would not let them change a damn light bulb now! Fortunately, the fellow that actually installed this system went out on his own, and I have him to help keep the system up and running........ but it takes constant tech support from Outback to keep that going........Today, guess what? Competent tech from even Outback is hard to come by as well.............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In addition to the Outback systems here at home, I have a 4kw system at our Farm. There is no power there, with the exception of this system, and a 10kw gas generator. The Solar there is a company from Germany. And it is CRAP and has been CRAP from the first day forward and is currently down for over a year now. It was not a very complicated system, and when it worked it was great. I could run the water pumps, also well water, LED lights and ceiling fans, and the cabin is also heat/cooled by the Mitsubishi units, around 1.5kw each when running....... But we have had issues with the inverter from day one. We are going to undertake that problem in the very near future, and if it can't be solved we plan on changing the system to an Outback at that point......

When Solar works, then it is fantastic........ It is just great to walk around and see everything working, knowing it is coming from Solar............... But it is expensive, and it is complicated, and in my case way over complicated.

Advice

#1 Find and Vet the most competent people you can. Get insured support for whatever time frame you can, you are going to need that support.

#2 The best Solar systems are without doubt from Outback in my opinion. Solar energy is very serious in Australia, where Outback originates, I know, I have been there and seen incredible systems they actually use in the "Outback" and depend on these systems every single day, as it is the only power source available to them.........

#3 Get the most simple system possible. The more complicated it is, the more problems it has down the road. The system I have is run by computers, and beyond my area of expertise, which is damn near nothing. It was reasonably reliable for several years after the bugs had been worked out of it, when installed it was the biggest and greatest and newest Outback had to offer, and required a lot of bug removals....... Once it was up, it did extremely good. Later when it did need some attention, the company responsible no longer had competent people, and they literally screwed the system up. Now, that I have my guy back on the job, it is taking some time to get it back to where it was. Currently it is only running 1/2 of capability, because of incompetent people. In addition, now even Outback people are not on top of it either, my guy has ONE individual at Outback that has a clue as to what is going on and they are in consultation over it. Keep it simple, and keep your objectives simple as possible...............

#4 Backup Generator System for heavy loads when required. In 2000 I had a 40kw propane system put in. Along with 500 gallon tank, only its not gallons and only fill it to 80%.... This thing will run everything on the compound at once...... When used, it is not used 24/7 to run the world. It is used sparingly as a backup to some systems, and to supplement....... normally one or two hours at a time. Backup home gen sets are very reasonable these days, to get by, you don't need 40kw, you could do very well on 10-15kw and run most systems. Here on the compound there is quite a bit of area and we are power pigs. Single family dwelling one could get by with a small system Solar 4kw or so, and 10Kw gas/propane generator. I would go propane since you have no concerns of gas or diesel going bad...........

Thats about all I can tell you which is not much really.........

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If I could only win the lottery while I'm almost young enough to enjoy the money..........
 
Solar is expensive and can get very complicated........ So if you decide on a solar system, my best advice would be stay as simple as possible, and even then.................

I have a 16kw system by Outback here at home, we put in several years ago. It is a extremely complicated system. It was not cheap either. It can be totally off grid. Yes, if everything is up and running, you can have the power needed for most of your survival needs. You still have to manage power properly. The big heat and air con units you can forget, especially the heat. Those big 5 ton units suck up power like you can't believe. We do have a few of the Mitsubishi units that are not so power hungry, normally 1.5kw and you can have some comfort with those, with the solar power, without kicking the system.

You have to get very serious about managing your power, and shutting systems down when the sun goes down. As the sun goes down, we start shutting everything off, except all fridges and freezers and a few lights which are all LED. We can run all fridges and freezers all night until the sun comes up the next day without issue, our batteries go down to around 75-80% overnight. We have 24 large Outback batteries, would have to look at the exact specs if asked, as I don't remember exactly........ Once the sun starts hitting the panels, all power goes to charging batteries back up to 100%. Through the night the freezers and fridges here run from 1-1.5kw. You can start using the system if you have sunshine as the day moves forward. What you cannot use is ovens, heat pumps, dryers and such as that....... Just draw way too much electricity........ What you can run is your water! Having a well 350 ft deep, water is very important, most well pumps pull around 2kw when running. When we did the solar, we also did the hybrid hot water heaters, and we can run those without issue and have hot water, very important for moral, at least for me!

Now you can get by and survive on far less than a 16kw system, but solar is not very efficient, I do not have 16kw to work with. In the winter, because of the position of the sun and the location of my panels, I hit about 8-9kw at best on good days........... summer I hit 12-13kw at best....... I think you could get by reasonably with a 8kw systems and a good size battery bank. Remember, every bit of power flows through the batteries, and out the batteries........... So the batteries are extremely important and vital to your off grid use.

The 16kw system I run here, was put in about 6-7 years ago, and at that time cost a tad over $110'000.00. It is tied to the grid, and if I managed it daily then you could expect it to pay for itself in 20++++ years........ So get that out of your mind............ this system is for "When" the shit hits the fan..............

One of the biggest issues is maintaining the system, it requires update and experienced people. The company that put the system in was really good at the time, but only because of the people doing the work. They were competent. Those people are no longer with that company, and I would not let them change a damn light bulb now! Fortunately, the fellow that actually installed this system went out on his own, and I have him to help keep the system up and running........ but it takes constant tech support from Outback to keep that going........Today, guess what? Competent tech from even Outback is hard to come by as well.............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In addition to the Outback systems here at home, I have a 4kw system at our Farm. There is no power there, with the exception of this system, and a 10kw gas generator. The Solar there is a company from Germany. And it is CRAP and has been CRAP from the first day forward and is currently down for over a year now. It was not a very complicated system, and when it worked it was great. I could run the water pumps, also well water, LED lights and ceiling fans, and the cabin is also heat/cooled by the Mitsubishi units, around 1.5kw each when running....... But we have had issues with the inverter from day one. We are going to undertake that problem in the very near future, and if it can't be solved we plan on changing the system to an Outback at that point......

When Solar works, then it is fantastic........ It is just great to walk around and see everything working, knowing it is coming from Solar............... But it is expensive, and it is complicated, and in my case way over complicated.

Advice

#1 Find and Vet the most competent people you can. Get insured support for whatever time frame you can, you are going to need that support.

#2 The best Solar systems are without doubt from Outback in my opinion. Solar energy is very serious in Australia, where Outback originates, I know, I have been there and seen incredible systems they actually use in the "Outback" and depend on these systems every single day, as it is the only power source available to them.........

#3 Get the most simple system possible. The more complicated it is, the more problems it has down the road. The system I have is run by computers, and beyond my area of expertise, which is damn near nothing. It was reasonably reliable for several years after the bugs had been worked out of it, when installed it was the biggest and greatest and newest Outback had to offer, and required a lot of bug removals....... Once it was up, it did extremely good. Later when it did need some attention, the company responsible no longer had competent people, and they literally screwed the system up. Now, that I have my guy back on the job, it is taking some time to get it back to where it was. Currently it is only running 1/2 of capability, because of incompetent people. In addition, now even Outback people are not on top of it either, my guy has ONE individual at Outback that has a clue as to what is going on and they are in consultation over it. Keep it simple, and keep your objectives simple as possible...............

#4 Backup Generator System for heavy loads when required. In 2000 I had a 40kw propane system put in. Along with 500 gallon tank, only its not gallons and only fill it to 80%.... This thing will run everything on the compound at once...... When used, it is not used 24/7 to run the world. It is used sparingly as a backup to some systems, and to supplement....... normally one or two hours at a time. Backup home gen sets are very reasonable these days, to get by, you don't need 40kw, you could do very well on 10-15kw and run most systems. Here on the compound there is quite a bit of area and we are power pigs. Single family dwelling one could get by with a small system Solar 4kw or so, and 10Kw gas/propane generator. I would go propane since you have no concerns of gas or diesel going bad...........

Thats about all I can tell you which is not much really.........

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Great, very informative post, but it makes me sad. I thought solar was to the point where it could reliable power my entire home. I know you won't recoup your cost for a long time, but I really like the idea of being energy independent.
Bummer that it is still so inefficient and maintenance/expert labor intense.
 
I think that two major influencers of the month's survival would be the cause for the widespread power outage. If due to an EMP strike, then most folks backup generators, solar systems, etc would be toast too.

If it's just something like the grid going down, then that's a different story because it's easier to prepare for.

Security would be one of the biggest issues, irrespective of the cause of power loss. Even out in the country, within a week there would be a lot of folks from the city in desperate straights looking to score whatever food then can. You can't be everywhere at once, protecting everything.
 
I’m pretty sure I can bring something to the table and find a spot at more **prepared** friends place.
Please don’t take this the wrong way, I am simply using your words (not you) as an example for this story.
When the Vid first started and people were worried a guy I work with was up at my desk with a few other technicians and said “if this goes bad I’m coming to your house”. My response was as follows “ you don’t bring any help to the table, no useful skill I can not recreate, and you drink to much for my liking. If I spotted you coming down my drive, I would put a 30 cal projectile through your chest cavity. If your brought friends I would do the same.” He asked the question, you’d shoot me? Yep In a heart beat if it means my kids have less of a chance of survival.
This is why it’s important to build a community or likeminded people, you can not do it all on your own, but you better bring a valuable resource or skill to the table, and every guy out there thinks “extra security” is a skill.
 
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Great thread, great comments and insight. Thanks everyone.
I too am disappointed after reading @Michael458 's account of his experiences with solar and the industry itself. I don't have any skin in that game , I guess I just expected it to be, shall I say more user friendly and economical than it is.

But as far as the original question goes I'm thinking, If I have to even think about the answer, then the answer is probably no.
And after reading this statement
This is why it’s important to build a community or likeminded people, you can not do it all on your own, but you better bring a valuable resource or skill to the table, and every guy out there think “extra security” is a skill.
I realize.....I am so screwed.

Edit to add: I also realize it's my own damn fault.
 
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Just bought a 15 gallon chest freezer. Gonna use your advise with the frozen water in case we lose power for a few days.
We have gone two weeks after one of the hurricanes with no power and the roads were blocked for over half that time by trees and flood waters. A lot of it is mental prep too. We simply go into "camping mode" and within hours we have a campfire going (plenty of down wood in our woods) with a pot of water going (filtered from pond) a 5 gallon jug, painted black, of water sitting in the sun, and start thinking of cooking stuff. We always keep any empty space in our chest freezers full of gallon jugs of frozen water. We never open them during this time unless absolutely necessary, usually once a day to get a piece of meat. Chest freezers full of ice will keep for a week or longer. First stuff to go is the kitchen fridge, then the upright freezer (they suck by the way) where we keep the frozen veggies and stuff that will go bad over a few days. After that it's a mix of freeze dried crap, canned goods, meat from the chest freezers, and maybe some fish from the pond. After the first week it gets to be routine and not that bad. We are not prepared for long term survival because the quality of life would suck after a month or two when the single malt runs out. Who wants to live like a savage for the rest of their miserable lives? Not me.
 
Nearly two years ago I reported here on this thread about my experiences with Solar Energy, which has certainly had its ups and downs. If you recall, and read above I had a 16Kw Outback System here at home. When it was installed it was The Most Advanced System available. In many ways too advanced, too computerized and too dependent upon the computers to make it run. It was installed in 2014. Long story short, so I can get to the real update, the system ran well for several years, just needing the occasional latest computer update........ Totally dependent upon the company that installed to keep up with these simple maintenance issues. The company that installed steady went to crap, loosing key people that knew the system, and from around 2019 forward it was endless aggravation. It was down more than it was up and running by a long margin.

Finally early 2022 the person responsible for installing the system became available once again, and I contacted him to sort he Outback out. In fact he did, within a few days it was back up and running again, after being down for several months. A few times afterwards the Outback continued to give some issues, and in talking with my guy he told me about a new group, new more simple and more reliable system called Sol-Ark, made in Texas, owned by Veterans and power engineers. Although the company started in 2013 we were just now hearing about them.

Even though I had capacity to 16kw, the panels were just not that efficient and I normally could get 12-13 Kw max on the panels I had. Looking at Sol-ark they had a single Inverter now, even up to and beyond 15kw.... One box! Impressive. At the time I installed the Outback, the max inverter was 8kw, so I had to have two Inverters for the Outback and then all sorts of other boxes and equipment to make that work.......... Now with the Sol-Ark, One Box, done....... Now its still run by computers of course, but it sure seems pretty simple, and above all, the people at Sol-Ark are very knowledgeable, experienced, intelligent, and AVAILABLE for any issues that might come up. It is connected via internet, and they can even do some analysis that way.

A 15Kw Inverter system was extremely affordable on top of that, I ran some less than $8000, and you can probably find it anywhere from $7000 or so.

Some work needed to be done and reroute the panels, we discovered I lost in the last 9 or so years around 1/3rd of my total capacity, water had leaked into many of the panels. The panels made by a Canadian company which would not even answer my emails or phone calls........... Currently I am just having to write those off. Today we our average capacity is around 8kw on a decent day, maxing to 9-10Kw. My installer is currently looking into comparable panels to bring our capacity back up to at least 14-15Kw.

I basically uninstalled the entire Outback system, it is now stored away and I have no idea of what to do with it.........

The Sol-Ark has been installed now for 7 months, and there has not even been a hiccup. I also still use the big Outback Batteries that I had in 2014 and they are doing great still, so not going to upgrade those at this time.

Make no mistake, I am not one of those climate change IDIOTS we see the last couple of years, what a waste of genetic material, not to mention air and water consumption.
I have solar as a backup for times that we have no grid. I also have a 40kw Cummins Gen Set that uses propane. I can stretch the gas, but only for so long.

I have another 5kw Unit that is going to be installed at our Farm place this fall.

If you ever have an interest in good, reliable Solar energy, take a look at Sol-Ark, I think it is about as good as it gets, and made right here in the US of A, by real people. They have just been fantastic............. and so has the Unit........

The Flex Ware boxes you see is where the wires come in from the panels on top, and then go to the Sol-Ark.........

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Yes. Water is the biggest concern. I have some full 5 gal water bottles in the basement and we have a creek bordering the property. What a lot of people don't think about though is that folks upstream from you will tap a creek for drinking, washing, irrigation, etc. and since bathroom facilities will not be working God knows what will be in any water that makes it to you. It may be all gone before it gets to you.

I remember seeing an ad for a manual well pump. I'd like to look more into that. Anyone have or used one?
 
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Yes. Water is the biggest concern.
Yes absolutely, mine as well...... fortunately our solar is enough power to run the water pumps here..... we have a pond, but you don't want any low country pond water.... probably even nasty just to wash with, much less anything else, no nice running streams here....... But I can pump it from 350 ft down with no issues.

Can also run all the freezers and fridges on the compound with the solar and batteries, which is substantial, 3 big upright freezers, two small freezers, two big upright fridges, and 5 small fridges.

We installed the hybrid hot water heaters some years ago as well, and they are no problem with the solar.

We have to manage our power with the solar and it is a lot of management, but we can get by rather well, with the exception of air con. But, in some areas we have those Mitsubishi units, and they only use about 1.5kw when they are running, so there can be some cool areas when you have sunshine.

After a week of running on only solar, you are always damn glad when the grid comes back up, its simply a big job to keep up and manage the power all day, pick and choose what you can run or cannot run....... big ovens, clothes dryers, and heat pump units are just out. And you start powering down when the sun starts to set so your battery banks last through the night and don't pull much power. Right now this moment, it is a bit cloudy outside and running only 3kw on the system and peaked so far at 3.8kw. Yesterday as an example we ran 2.5kw at 9 am peaking to 9kw at 1 pm and dropping to 2.7kw at 5 pm so we have decent power from 10am to 4 pm at these times you would run some things, water pump and showers, things like that..... mid-day you could kick in a Mitsubishi for air con a few hours as well....... all about power management during peaks and lows........

And we intend to replace all the busted panels and get us back up to 14kw or so at peaks...... could even kick in some heat pumps air con with that power.
 
No, don't have the water for it. I've got food, but I'd be a lot skinnier by the end.
 
You guys who use the Big Berkey filters: do they remove biological contaminants like bacteria? Or do you still have to boil the water? Berkey has a list of stuff it filters out but no mention of bio materials. Do any filters do this?
 
You guys who use the Big Berkey filters: do they remove biological contaminants like bacteria? Or do you still have to boil the water? Berkey has a list of stuff it filters out but no mention of bio materials. Do any filters do this?
Another option to consider is using 99% chlorine (pool shock) to treat your water. The chemical used is actually "approved" for water purification. See this sticky thread: https://carolinafirearmsforum.com/i...lorine-and-how-to-make-it-safe-post-shtf.236/
 
The limiting factor would be water. Without city water, I do not have a one-month supply unless I could melt snow.
Gunna be a little difficult this month, and maybe next but after that, you’re gold. 😝
 
Probably not. My wife would kill me, and my kids would eat me and burn me for fuel. No joke either.
 
Water is not an issue for me. I have a spring by the house that has cold fresh water all year long. It empties into a creek that has enough water flow to run a small generator. I’ve also got 2 small 2k Honda gas generators and keep 150 gallons of fuel on hand and rotate it out in the lawn mower and Jeep. I keep the pantry and freezer full and the garden looks good his year. I’ve got 2 600 gallon propane tanks and 15-18 20 pound tanks besides. I can cook anything in the outdoor kitchen and use the swimming pool water for flushing toilets. The basement stays cool even in the hottest day and I have enough ammo and help to defend it. 300 yards of clear cut low mowed field with no cover or concealment and good glass on all of my rifle. My AR 10 and M1a can range all over my property. A good German Shepherd for an early warning system.
 
Is this assuming that the NG line to my generator is still functional?😁

If so then we'll have power and water(well)... Probably a good month of food easy.
 
Water is not an issue for me. I have a spring by the house that has cold fresh water all year long. It empties into a creek that has enough water flow to run a small generator. I’ve also got 2 small 2k Honda gas generators and keep 150 gallons of fuel on hand and rotate it out in the lawn mower and Jeep. I keep the pantry and freezer full and the garden looks good his year. I’ve got 2 600 gallon propane tanks and 15-18 20 pound tanks besides. I can cook anything in the outdoor kitchen and use the swimming pool water for flushing toilets. The basement stays cool even in the hottest day and I have enough ammo and help to defend it. 300 yards of clear cut low mowed field with no cover or concealment and good glass on all of my rifle. My AR 10 and M1a can range all over my property. A good German Shepherd for an early warning system.
Can you post your address so we know where to go in case of a emergency 😁
 
Multiple years food, multiple H20 sources and filters, G&A out the wazoo, wood heat and cooking, don't take meds, who needs electricity (although it's pretty damn nice!). I'm your huckleberry!
 
A recipe for you folks that are gonna eat the squirrels and rabbits...
 

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I used to say easy, but it appears the springs at the cabin are no longer springs. One seems to be seeping some water, but not like it used to. There’s about a 1/3 mile walk down the trout stream so we’d have access as long as there wasn’t a bunch of angry zombies down there. Need to make another plan as a back up to the back up.
 
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I used to say easy, but it appears the springs at the cabin are no longer springs. One seems to be seeping some water, but not like it used to. There’s about a 1/3 walk down the trout stream so we’d have access as long as there wasn’t a bunch of angry zombies down there. Need to make another plan as a back up to the back up.
Do springs normally dry up like that, or is Nestle pumping somewhere in the area?
 
I remember seeing an ad for a manual well pump. I'd like to look more into that. Anyone have or used one?
The best one is or was about $1500. The problem is getting one with enough draw, depending on your well depth.
Backing the day (not that long ago) engineer775 used to put them in. His thing was water. A friend had one put in by him, but I never got to see it after I moved. He and southernprepper1 were a couple of the top prep consultants around. (They were the NatGeo Doomday Preppers consultants. ) They live here in SC about an hour down the road from me. Dave (southernprepper1) is still active, but he and engineer775 parted ways and don't much hear from him anymore.
Let me take a quick look around for some info.


ETA: Here is the pump that used to be recommended. And it looks like they (Practical Preppers) may still be doing them. Although, you can buy direct. But, of course, the price has gone up.

 
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No I currently could not make it but the OP has certainly given me something to think about as I move forward towards a "move" to a less urban/suburban area and a new home. First thing I need to do is test my med refill. I take 5 prescriptions with 90 day supplies but not sure when they will let me refill. SHould be when I have a 29 day supply left or something like that. Really should be when I have an 89 day supply left.
 
The best one is or was about $1500. The problem is getting one with enough draw, depending on your well depth.
Backing the day (not that long ago) engineer775 used to put them in. His thing was water. A friend had one put in by him, but I never got to see it after I moved. He and southernprepper1 were a couple of the top prep consultants around. (They were the NatGeo Doomday Preppers consultants. ) They live here in SC about an hour down the road from me. Dave (southernprepper1) is still active, but he and engineer775 parted ways and don't much hear from him anymore.
Let me take a quick look around for some info.


ETA: Here is the pump that used to be recommended. And it looks like they (Practical Preppers) may still be doing them. Although, you can buy direct. But, of course, the price has gone up.

Awesome thank you! This looks very much like the one I remember. Looks like a high quality product, they will be getting a call from me. 👍
 
Does murdering neighbors and stealing their stuff count?
I don't think that counts as help, cause, you know, the whole murder thing.
 
Not anymore unless I have enough drugs.

Health situation drives that, I believe the rest is covered.
 
I take 5 prescriptions with 90 day supplies but not sure when they will let me refill. SHould be when I have a 29 day supply left or something like that. Really should be when I have an 89 day supply left.
Gotta love the nanny State.
 
yep. I checked this a.m. 29 days left, they will refill so I guess if I could live a day without meds. My luck the ballon would go up the day before I was going to the drug store. I'm about to old to care anymore.
 
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