Dumbest thing youve heard in a gun shop

TripleO7 said:
Got it.

Didn't get it perfect the first time, so forever garbage.

It was definitely priced right. And available. That's how it ended up being SS. So, hopefully I'll be happy the snobs turn their noses up at them and I could get the upper when others wanted what they had to sell at pandemic pricing. BCA doesn't seem to be doing that. Anything else I found available cost as much as whole gun and then some.
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We got 10 BCA’s in a few weeks ago. 8 ran great or never had a customer complain about them. 2 of them wouldn’t cycle. The problem was the lowers were cross threaded and the buffer tubes were not straight. Just like ANY other rifle/pistol, run them and test them and make sure they work. Not sure if the tubes were installed crooked or the threads actually in the lower. They were both boogered and were promptly replaced. The worst out of spec rifle I ever had was a Colt LE6920. Colt replaced the entire rifle with one that looked perfect. Everything made by man will occasionally have issues.
 
If the BCG is the bottleneck in their production line then no, they won't do it.
Flashpoint said:
Some of us have more time than money.
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How much money will it cost you to troubleshoot a bad barrel? ammo and range time aren't free. This is coming from BTDT - I've wasted enough money for good parts trying to get cheap ones to work right.
 
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backwoodsshooter said:
Was told this one last week]

Me-Yall do transfers between people (request of a seller that had something I wanted for sale), it would be a long gun,

Them- yes but you have to have a permit.

Me- Even though it's a rifle and isn't required per the ATF?

Them- Yes.

me- Ok thanks.
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The Newport News, VA Bass Pro lost me over something similar when they told me, over a sure sale, that they couldn't sell me a rifle because I was a SC resident. If I had been a NC resident, they could.

Told me it was against the law.

I didn't make a scene, just left, got in my car, and called the store's general manager and talked to him.

At first, he was going to transfer me to the firearms manager, and I told him "don't bother".

"I know you rely on him for running that department, and my talking to him isn't going to change anything. This is just to inform you that YOUR store lost over a $1,000 in sales today and any future sales I may have contributed to. This includes anybody and everybody I can talk to about this."

I told him I value honesty and forthright behavior as a customer and being fed a line of BS by passing a store policy off as being in compliance with the law was a bald faced lie.

And I don't cotton to being lied to.

Then I told him exactly where I lined up my $1,000 rifle purchase in his stead, just before I called him to talk about this.

Don't lie to me.
 
I suspect the manager believed it was illegal. The Contiguous states thing is persistent.

here's an example:

FFL Sales | Out of state firearms sales - FFLTRUST.COM

The obvious rules are pretty easy to follow about FFL Sales. Don't sell any gun to someone if you know it to be a straw purchase. Know more about FFL Sales
www.ffltrust.com

Halfway down the article it explains that it was the law from 1968-1986 but is no longer in effect.
 
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Catfish said:
I suspect the manager believed it was illegal. The Contiguous states thing is persistent.

here's an example:

FFL Sales | Out of state firearms sales - FFLTRUST.COM

The obvious rules are pretty easy to follow about FFL Sales. Don't sell any gun to someone if you know it to be a straw purchase. Know more about FFL Sales
www.ffltrust.com

Halfway down the article it explains that it was the law from 1968-1986 but is no longer in effect.
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Honestly?

I don't care.

When you're in the business of selling firearms, you're supposed to know this kind of stuff. Being three and a half decades out of touch? No excuse.

If people in the business are operating on "hearsay" with respect to the legal requirements, they're not people I want to do business with.
 
TripleO7 said:
Betcha John has more gold coins..."friends" can be purchased.



Makes sense. Not stupid at all. How can I way overcharge you for a gun and not have an overpriced supply of ammo for you to send down range?



I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps the previous editor/editors of the books had firearms knowledge and didn't do this one.
or...it's one of those scenarios where the author really didn't write the book. I hate that. They plaster the famous authors name in huge font on the cover and at the bottom it says "With So and So". That's how James Patterson knocks out so many. It used to be when the author got old and retired or died. Now it seems to be just a matter of course.


Reminds me of the geezers that I used to sell Grand Marquis too. They'd look at the sticker and exclaim that they paid less than that for their first house. Union trades guys, a lot of them. They didn't whine that their wages had increased over the years. Kinda realative. Funny too. Big time union types whining about the price of something made in a most likely union shop.
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Mike has rednecks with backhoes and a bunch of land...like I said...would be a good fight.


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@RetiredUSNChief ... if they had said “it is store policy” not “against the law” would that have been acceptable? Many big box stores run on one FFL ... be it for every store everywhere, for a state or region. If some clerk (and we know some of their clerks are sharp as a bowling ball) messes up and they get dinged they could be looking at losing their FFL for more than just that store which no es bueno. To kinda stop that some sell under tighter company rules ... and then you hear “it’s the law” from the clerks. As Catfish’s post points out the resident’s home state laws need to be factored in and I don’t think there are many minimum wage employees who would be able to really be able to handle knowing even the laws of the contiguous states so again ... company rules say only in state. I’m guessing the loss of a sale (and even word of mouth bad PR) is not worth the risk some clerk would sell a shotgun or rifle to a NYC resident and have all the backlash from that to deal with. I kinda wonder if “it’s the law” is used instead of “company policy” because they don’t want to hear ”company policy” sucks and most people will accept “it’s the law” and move on ...
 
NCFubar said:
@RetiredUSNChief ... if they had said “it is store policy” not “against the law” would that have been acceptable? Many big box stores run on one FFL ... be it for every store everywhere, for a state or region. If some clerk (and we know some of their clerks are sharp as a bowling ball) messes up and they get dinged they could be looking at losing their FFL for more than just that store which no es bueno. To kinda stop that some sell under tighter company rules ... and then you hear “it’s the law” from the clerks. As Catfish’s post points out the resident’s home state laws need to be factored in and I don’t think there are many minimum wage employees who would be able to really be able to handle knowing even the laws of the contiguous states so again ... company rules say only in state. I’m guessing the loss of a sale (and even word of mouth bad PR) is not worth the risk some clerk would sell a shotgun or rifle to a NYC resident and have all the backlash from that to deal with. I kinda wonder if “it’s the law” is used instead of “company policy” because they don’t want to hear ”company policy” sucks and most people will accept “it’s the law” and move on ...
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Regardless of the why, I'd still take my money elsewhere.
 
Catfish said:
I suspect the manager believed it was illegal. The Contiguous states thing is persistent.

here's an example:

FFL Sales | Out of state firearms sales - FFLTRUST.COM

The obvious rules are pretty easy to follow about FFL Sales. Don't sell any gun to someone if you know it to be a straw purchase. Know more about FFL Sales
www.ffltrust.com

Halfway down the article it explains that it was the law from 1968-1986 but is no longer in effect.
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Yeah , That was changed with the FOPA of 1986 that also took away new machine guns.
 
NCFubar said:
@RetiredUSNChief ... if they had said “it is store policy” not “against the law” would that have been acceptable?
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Absolutely it would have.

I may not have liked it, but that's being up front and honest with me and wouldn't have lost my patronage.
 
Flashpoint said:
Right there with you. Forgot to mention that BCA openly states that most of their uppers are side chargers currently due to a lack of parts availability for standard uppers. Many people want a side charger to be charged from the left side and I would prefer that too, but these are built not from scratch as side chargers, but rather as a way to keep supplying working uppers that they would otherwise not be able to, at least at a reasonable price. The one thing I really don't like about them is that it's a non standard bolt carrier so I have no spare and no way to get one. They don't sell them on their web site, but I'm thinking of giving them a call and see if I can order a spare BCG over the phone.
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Thanks for the info.
My AR experience is minimal and all my other semi auto's charge on the right side. So....
When I bought mine a few years ago, Mrs. got sick shortly afterwards, and I have no place to really shoot rifles that's less than an hour away. I didn't want to be that far from home during that period of time. That's no longer a concern, so I am going to try and learn to run the thing correctly and shoot at distance farther than 50 yds. Since Denver Defense closed, I've been limited to 25. It probably has a 2-3 thousand rounds through it and some of those are other people like the in-laws, nieces, nephews that want the "thrill" of handling an "Evil Black Rifle". I'm doing the build on the lower, just because I want to see if I can do it. I was going build an upper as well, but happened upon the side charger and I was already starting to decide to back off in favor of other pursuits. Beside that, it's nice to know I have a functioning upper for it other than taking the EA15 upper. I ordered a .22LR conversion in order to be able to be able to get comfy with the platform at a reasonable cost. Anymore, that and a butt load of .22LR is cheaper than a case of ammo!

I saw a guy running a Just Right Carbine PCC, it comes charge on the left side, eject to the right. It made sense, handling it like it was a huge pistol. Kinda cool IMHO. Look's like an AR, but isn't. It uses Glock or M&P mags. It uses some AR parts on the lower part. Safety, fcg and mag release. All just like an AR. You can change calibers for a couple hundred bucks. 9mm, .40, .45, and 10mm. It's a kit. Doesn't take but a few minutes. I'm looking hard at that one.

I'm just irritated that I talked myself out of buying some .45ACP that was on sale pre pandemic. I don't have a single firearm chambered in .45! Figured I would get around to a 1911 at some point, but hadn't yet and didn't have any plans for one soon, so I would buy ammo for it when the time came.☹️
 
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RetiredUSNChief said:
Absolutely it would have.

I may not have liked it, but that's being up front and honest with me and wouldn't have lost my patronage.
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People are less likely to argue with "it's against the law" than "it's store policy". They may have been actually told that, or told to just say it.

Unfortunately most don't have the knowledge some of us have or take the time to gain it. I asked the sporting goods dept. manager at the local Wally about all the hold tags on the guns in his case. He explained to me that if they don't get the proceed right away they wait for up to 30 days. I mentioned something about the three day thing where the FFL can go ahead and release the gun if no response. The man literally LOL'd at that and exclaimed, "3 days? That's ludicrous!" I nearly whipped out the iPhone to show him the FBI website. Not worth it. Not going to change anything since Wally does what they do because they can and he has to follow their rules regardless. This guy shoots! He was always well stocked. I got the impression that he's a bit of a FUDD though. I talked about a range closing and he had no clue and said that he prefers to eat what he shoots at. He's from up north somewhere, so I'm betting he buys a box or two of whatever his favorite hunting rifle ammo is every year and checks his scope for zero and a few practice shots, bags a deer or two and calls it a year. He always had the calibers I associate with hunting rifles in stock now that I think of it.

Speaking of calibers, I was in an LGS that shall remain nameless and was talking to the supposed resident guru. He had never heard of .327 Federal Magnum. Looked at me funny and asked if I meant .357 magnum. I said no I meant what I said and he admitted he had never heard of it. He probably googled it as soon as I left. Just to be sure.
 
Admitting is fine. Denial is the issue in a lot of shops. I like to go into new ones and ask for 303 savage and 455 Webley. Just to see what they say for that reason. Most try to say 303 savage doesn't exist, and try to give me 454 casull.
 
shadowsbane said:
Admitting is fine. Denial is the issue in a lot of shops. I like to go into new ones and ask for 303 savage and 455 Webley. Just to see what they say for that reason. Most try to say 303 savage doesn't exist, and try to give me 454 casull.
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Back when I owned a Winchester 94 in .32 special, I often had salesmen try and give me a box of 32acp when I'd ask if they had any 32 special in stock.
 
shadowsbane said:
Admitting is fine. Denial is the issue in a lot of shops. I like to go into new ones and ask for 303 savage and 455 Webley. Just to see what they say for that reason. Most try to say 303 savage doesn't exist, and try to give me 454 casull.
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It is becoming apparent that I, then, would be horrible working in a gun store...my response would be "I have no idea what that is, but let me look it up." Which would destroy my faux machismo which I hear is an absolute requirement to sell firearms.
 
B00ger said:
It is becoming apparent that I, then, would be horrible working in a gun store...my response would be "I have no idea what that is, but let me look it up." Which would destroy my faux machismo which I hear is an absolute requirement to sell firearms.
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Several years ago I was visiting a gun shop down in Fayetnam, and I asked a very tacticool looking salemsan if they had any Smith K-frames in 357.

"K-frames only come in 38 special. 357 would blow the gun up. Smith has never made that"

I just backed away slowly and walked out of the shop. I'd think it would be pretty hard to work in a gun store and not be familiar with what is potentially the most common handgun in the US.
 
RedneckFur said:
Several years ago I was visiting a gun shop down in Fayetnam, and I asked a very tacticool looking salemsan if they had any Smith K-frames in 357.

"K-frames only come in 38 special. 357 would blow the gun up. Smith has never made that"

I just backed away slowly and walked out of the shop. I'd think it would be pretty hard to work in a gun store and not be familiar with what is potentially the most common handgun in the US.
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He was right (if “several years ago” means before 1957). 😂
 
shadowsbane said:
Admitting is fine. Denial is the issue in a lot of shops. I like to go into new ones and ask for 303 savage and 455 Webley. Just to see what they say for that reason. Most try to say 303 savage doesn't exist, and try to give me 454 casull.
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If you walked in and asked that where I work, I would get excited and say no, we dont have those in stock, but ask about the guns. 😆
 
B00ger said:
It is becoming apparent that I, then, would be horrible working in a gun store...my response would be "I have no idea what that is, but let me look it up." Which would destroy my faux machismo which I hear is an absolute requirement to sell firearms.
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I help train newbies. First lesson I teach them is that i don't care how much they know or think they know. Someone is going to come in with something they know nothing about. Simple 3 step process Ask questions for clarification, be willing to say they don't know, then try to find out.

Not hard
 
Was just at the FFL by my house and this older gentlemen was upset he could only buy one 50 round box of 22lr. His exact words were “what happened to the ammo?”
 
RedneckFur said:
We have one in my town too. He'll show up at the local gun shop and stick around for hours, telling stories of how he used to be a cop/soldier/special forces/rambo to anyone who will listen. And also give his unsolicited opinions to customers on whatever they're buying. The local gun stores don't like him, but they put up with him because he spends a lot of money on guns and ammo too.
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Given your location I suspect I know exactly who you are talking about. Sawed off little...

Anyway, I was in a store a couple of months ago and he was there when I arrived. He started telling me a long, drawn out story about the awesome Thompson sub machine gun he bought from a (reasonably) local PD several years before. He went on for a while about how much fun it was to shoot, how awesome the Thompson is in general, etc.

Clearly he didn't recognize me (not that I would expect him to) but I worked for the PD in question when the gun was sold. It was around 2010 or 2011 (I don't recall which) and the sale was to help fund new Glock duty pistols. As I recall the little guy lived in Orange Co. and Lindy (the sheriff) wouldn't give him a machine gun permit after he bought and paid for the gun. That was before the law change that eliminated the requirement for a MG permit for most MG uses. That eventually got sorted out since the PD had already spent his money on new Glocks but it extended the transfer out for a considerable period (IIRC it involved our chief calling the sheriff).

The kicker, the awesome, historic, expensive, fantastic Thompson in question was a Reising. I handled it myself before it left the PD for its eventual transfer to said gun store commando. The PD never owned a Thompson and if it had it certainly wouldn't have sold it to the guy for the roughly $5k he paid. The chief at the time was a gun nut, he knew what we had and what it was worth.

I never believed anything the guy said before that, but that story he told me a couple of months ago just confirmed he is a world class lair. The sad thing is that even a Reising is still a machine gun and it is impressive to most folks just for that; no need to church it up to something it clearly isn't.
 
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This seems like the thread for this story:

I was visiting my brother in law over the weekend who happens to have recently bought his first pistol. We went to the local range and while we were shooting, an obvious new shooter came in to the lane next to us. I usually keep a pretty close eye on everyone at indoor ranges, and this guy was fine. He was safe and careful, but started having some sort of issue.

He went out and got the range master. I overheard their conversation and she said his new Glock 19 needed oil. Ok, red flag.... She takes the gun and oils it, then he comes back into the range.

After a few more minutes of him fiddling with the gun, he comes to me and asks for help. The gun won’t go into battery, not even close. I ask him if it’s ok if I strip the gun down and he says sure. The damn thing is literally dripping oil.

I strip it down and immediately see a bullet stuck in the barrel. Just into the lands ahead of the chamber so that the nose of the next round won’t go into battery. I told him how lucky he was that the bullet got stuck where it did. I also tell him he needs to rip the range masters ass for being so incompetent.

I really do hate indoor ranges.
 
Landric said:
I never believed anything the guy said before that, but that story he told me a couple of months ago just confirmed he is a world class lair. The sad thing is that even a Reising is still a machine gun and it is impressive to most folks just for that; no need to church it up to something it clearly isn't.
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I have had a few people pass through my life like that. I’ll never understand it.
 
Scsmith42 said:
If your neighbor knew you well they would know that your gunshots are not heard...
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The one on the other side would’ve known...this one, not so much. 😂

But we’ve had 3 shootings in the neighborhood since we’ve been here (1999), so it’s not out of the question somebody did it.
 
Ok, not overheard in a gun shop, but not worthy of its own thread. I bought one of these yesterday:

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Ordered from PSA, so no telling when it arrives. Considering an optic, and wanted to confirm what my mounting options were. So, I sent this email to Rossi:

Can you confirm what size dovetail the RL22181SY has? Ordered one this morning and want to be able to mount a red dot. Thanks.

I didn’t see the info listed on their site, and did a quick scan of the manual online and didn’t see anything useful. Got this reply a little while ago:

My name is Nina and I will be happy to assist you. The information regarding the size dovetail on this particular model is considered proprietary. We are not provided with this information in order to be able to advise. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Huh? A bit of info that’s included in the description of almost every firearm online is proprietary?

Now, they do have this item on their website: https://www.shoprossi.com/dovetail-picatinny-rail-adapter-077-0009-00

It says it converts a 3/8” dovetail to a picatinny, and lists the rifle I bought as a model it fits. I just wanted confirmation, as I was also considering some scopes (or rings) that mounted directly to the dovetail so I didn’t have to use an adapter.
 
BigWaylon said:
Ok, not overheard in a gun shop, but not worthy of its own thread. I bought one of these yesterday:

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Ordered from PSA, so no telling when it arrives. Considering an optic, and wanted to confirm what my mounting options were. So, I sent this email to Rossi:

Can you confirm what size dovetail the RL22181SY has? Ordered one this morning and want to be able to mount a red dot. Thanks.

I didn’t see the info listed on their site, and did a quick scan of the manual online and didn’t see anything useful. Got this reply a little while ago:

My name is Nina and I will be happy to assist you. The information regarding the size dovetail on this particular model is considered proprietary. We are not provided with this information in order to be able to advise. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Huh? A bit of info that’s included in the description of almost every firearm online is proprietary?

Now, they do have this item on their website: https://www.shoprossi.com/dovetail-picatinny-rail-adapter-077-0009-00

It says it converts a 3/8” dovetail to a picatinny, and lists the rifle I bought as a model it fits. I just wanted confirmation, as I was also considering some scopes (or rings) that mounted directly to the dovetail so I didn’t have to use an adapter.
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Sounds like code for “I don’t know and I don’t know how to find out (or don’t feel like getting off Facebook). Instead I’ll just make up some BS.”
 
BigWaylon said:
My name is Ninajaresnamajaram and I will be happy to assist you. The information regarding the size dovetail on this particular model is not in my script. We are not provided with this information in order to be able to advise. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
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Fixed it. You didn't actually reach Rossi did you?
 
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frakncylons said:
Sounds like code for “I don’t know and I don’t know how to find out (or don’t feel like getting off Facebook). Instead I’ll just make up some BS.”
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Yeah...the rest of the email said:

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to assist you. If you are in need of further assistance, please contact our Customer Care Team at 1-800-327-3776, Monday-Friday from 8:00AM-6:00PM EST or our live chat Monday-Friday 9:00AM-6:00PM EST.
Thank you,
Nina
Customer Service
Rossi

So I’ll just let it show up and see...

In the meantime, I just realized they offer a very similar rifle but in pump action. Hmmm...
 
Catfish said:
Fixed it. You didn't actually reach Rossi did you?
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If it had been chat, I’d absolutely agree. I just assumed emails to their customer service department actually went there.
 
I feel your pain man. In the industry I’m in, most everything has a pretty good data sheet and manual. If you can’t find the info, a quick phone call usually leads to a technical expert that can get you squared away.

Consumer grade stuff can be infuriating when you’re trying to find information.
 
BigWaylon said:
Yeah...the rest of the email said:

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to assist you. If you are in need of further assistance, please contact our Customer Care Team at 1-800-327-3776, Monday-Friday from 8:00AM-6:00PM EST or our live chat Monday-Friday 9:00AM-6:00PM EST.
Thank you,
Nina
Customer Service
Rossi

So I’ll just let it show up and see...

In the meantime, I just realized they offer a very similar rifle but in pump action. Hmmm...
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The lever action is much better quality
 
Heard a good one not to long back ...

The guy was trying to install a Timney in a rimfire S&W MP15-22 and was having problems with cycling ... the idiot behind the counter said the guy needed to install an adjustable gas block ... :oops:
 
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