Entire staff of the Kenly Police Department resigned Wednesday afternoon

Have gun-will travel said:
Why the hell do they need a town manager with less than 2000 people ?
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Towns are just companies. Companies need a manager/ owner to run them, no matter how small. The town council are just folks that (mostly) have full time jobs. So they hire a manager to oversee the day to day running of things- police, maintenance, taxes, permits, billing...
 
mj1angier said:
Towns are just companies. Companies need a manager/ owner to run them, no matter how small. The town council are just folks that (mostly) have full time jobs. So they hire a manager to oversee the day to day running of things- police, maintenance, taxes, permits, billing...
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aint that what an elected mayor does?
 
Lafayette Gregory said:
I know nothing about this situation. What I took from the article----- A town with a population of 1339. Does it really need a five-person force as well as all the support staff and equipment? Thats a lot of tax dollars from 1339 people. Why would not the county handle Law enforcement in that town?
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I know less than you but, any hamlet SMACK DAB on 95 - in todays fvcked up excuse for society - Immagunna go out on a limb and guess the County has other priorities and the townsfolk dealing with the slime spreading off 95 have opened their checkbooks and said, “Uh, heck yeah”
 
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fieldgrade said:
Honestly, not that I’ve ever seen. The mayor of Fuquay is a homebuilder/developer. I imagine the pay for the mayor's job is paltry.
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im fine with that on both accounts, elected positions should be part time so as to prevent the full time nonsense that we see in swampland
 
WildBill said:
Mainstream media lapping this up with obvious race baiting.

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A North Carolina city hired a Black town manager. Then its entire police force resigned.

Less than a week after the entire police department in Kenly, N.C. announced their resignation, citing a “toxic” and “hostile” work environment, elected officials from the town of about 2,000 residents have gone silent on a plan for law enforcement moving forward.
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Damn, the race card came out already?
 
Have gun-will travel said:
Why the hell do they need a town manager with less than 2000 people ?
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The appropriate question is why the hell does a town with 2000 people need to be incorporated in the first place? The latest town budget was about $1.9 million, which could not be totally eliminated, but could mostly be transferred to Johnson and Wilson counties, and reduce the overall tax and fee burden to the population of Kenly, and probably to the counties because of increased efficiencies.
 
dmarbell said:
The appropriate question is why the hell does a town with 2000 people need to be incorporated in the first place?
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My town, Goldston, is even smaller, and yet it retains its incorporated status. It is one of the few things standing between it and totalitarian control by the county communists. It also chooses to not have a standing police force.
 
"Kenly still has three part-time officers on the payroll."

I'm betting they're now FULL TIME officers, with all the pay and benefits thereof. And probably some OT as well.
 
noway2 said:
My town, Goldston, is even smaller, and yet it retains its incorporated status. It is one of the few things standing between it and totalitarian control by the county communists. It also chooses to not have a standing police force.
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When I was with FirstHealth I enjoyed being stationed in Goldston (even if almost an hour and a half from my home). Nice area. One of the worst MVCs I ever went to was near there, brutally hot summer day, five teens, all critically injured.
 
noway2 said:
My town, Goldston, is even smaller, and yet it retains its incorporated status. It is one of the few things standing between it and totalitarian control by the county communists. It also chooses to not have a standing police force.
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I guess I can see that, although it's layer upon layer of government that is really not needed. Pittsboro is joining Hillsborough as the new Chapel Hills? Or new Carboros?
 
DrScaryGuy said:
good for them
we have an employee who does whatever she wants, walks off the job when she gets called out for it, and then claims racism when any of the white managers say anything about her walking out.
I'm the only one she hasn't been able to scream racism about. I'm brown enough that she just says i'm a bully for pointing out the rules that everybody has to follow. little things like "hey, don't draw cartoon faces all over your face shield when we have auditors in the building, and don't put stickers and labels with your tiktok name all over it."
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The problem is that people like her, and those who support her, are quick to come back with character attacks to counter. Point out that you're a "person of color" too, who doesn't agree with her, now suddenly you're an Uncle Tom. Point out that you have friends/family who are "person's of color" and suddenly you're even MORE racist for saying so.

As if people of all cultures who just happen to get along with each other are, somehow, the enemy and the very picture of racists.

Methinks there are a lot of people who lost sight of the dream from the "I Have a Dream" speech. Actually, I don't think they've so much as lost sight of it as they actively deny it because it goes against their power base.

I was utterly shocked how the whole "you ain't black if you don't vote for me" didn't produce an immediate backlash. In restrospect, I realized it was because to do so would have further gone against their own BS racial and political ideologies and undermine their own power base as a result. Can't make the same accusations against their own base, that wouldn't be OK.

My Compadres are Mexican (Madrena) and mixed Cherokee (Padrino). I smile at people who denigrate my association with my children's Hispanic godparents because they OBVIOUSLY have no idea what the cultural bonds associated with being "Compadres" means. They aren't just "friends" or "family friends"...they're ACTUALLY FAMILY, even though they may share not blood ties.
 
noway2 said:
My town, Goldston, is even smaller, and yet it retains its incorporated status. It is one of the few things standing between it and totalitarian control by the county communists. It also chooses to not have a standing police force.
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It doesn’t have to have a police force even if it is incorporated, but it must provide or contract that service….which would be in the form of deputies in your case
 
Chuckman said:
When I was with FirstHealth I enjoyed being stationed in Goldston (even if almost an hour and a half from my home). Nice area. One of the worst MVCs I ever went to was near there, brutally hot summer day, five teens, all critically injured.
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First health Chatham has some horrendous MvC’’s and you are not anywhere close to a trauma center when you have them
 
Radar said:
First health Chatham has some horrendous MvC’’s and you are not anywhere close to a trauma center when you have them
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Nope, not at all. We used helo's from UNC, Duke, and Baptist, and hauled ass with two busses to Chapel Hill.

I tell new nurses and docs they don't understand how lucky we have it in the Triangle, three level 1 trauma centers within 40 miles of each other. Some states have one level 1, and a multi-hour ambo trip.
 
Small towns incorporate to maintain local control over things. If you aren't incorporated the county runs things. Imagine a town of 1400 people who don't want the county to mandate connections to their water and sewer system... incorporated you have a say. Unincorporated you don't.

It also protects small towns from being annexed by larger towns who have different views on things. Historical protection zoning rules as an example.
 
Car0linab0y said:
It also protects small towns from being annexed by larger towns who have different views on things. Historical protection zoning rules as an example.
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Unfortunately the incorporated area is also a little too small. For example, they approved a small housing development just outside of the town. Of course it was the county dumbocrats that "approved" it.
 
Car0linab0y said:
Small towns incorporate to maintain local control over things. If you aren't incorporated the county runs things. Imagine a town of 1400 people who don't want the county to mandate connections to their water and sewer system... incorporated you have a say. Unincorporated you don't.

It also protects small towns from being annexed by larger towns who have different views on things. Historical protection zoning rules as an example.
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Is cities contracting for services a thing in NC? Many smaller towns in CA contracted with their county fire and police for those services rather than have the cost and liability of running their own sworn departments.
 
rufrdr said:
Is cities contracting for services a thing in NC? Many smaller towns in CA contracted with their county fire and police for those services rather than have the cost and liability of running their own sworn departments.
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Yes, for emergency services and infrastructure (water/sewer). Probably for other stuff as well, but these I know.
 
mj1angier said:
Towns are just companies. Companies need a manager/ owner to run them, no matter how small. The town council are just folks that (mostly) have full time jobs. So they hire a manager to oversee the day to day running of things- police, maintenance, taxes, permits, billing...
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I'll say it; a town that small does not need a manager but they have one because the mayor is too lazy to provide periodic oversight to the town's few employees.
 
gc70 said:
I'll say it; a town that small does not need a manager but they have one because the mayor is too lazy to provide periodic oversight to the town's few employees.
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Why do it yourself when you can hire someone else to do it for you?
 
They have a good web page that explains how the .gov is set up:
townofkenly.com

How Municipalities Work » Town of Kenly, NC

In North Carolina, cities, towns and villages are incorporated municipalities. An incorporated municipality means the North Carolina General Assembly (or, in a few cases, a former state agency known as the Municipal Board of Control) has granted a charter authorizing the establishment of a...
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But for the most part, mayors and council members are just folks that live in the town and have an interest in how it is run. Most have full time jobs- not always, some are retired or have business that don't require they be there full time. So they hire folks that have the knowledge/ education/ experience to run the town day to day. How many on here would leave their job to "run" a town for 4 years?
The mayor and council are the voice of the people- if folks are not happy, they bitch to them at church, local restaurant, PTA meetings... or in open town meetings. Then they try to make it happen after going thru the town lawyer, building codes guy, accountant... so yeah, it's a full time job to run even the smallest town.
 
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rufrdr said:
An article on MSN is spinning the situation as racist police refusing to accept a black city manager.
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That was 100% predictable.

And nobody bats an eye that people essentially cut themselves out of their jobs over this. Not an act I've seen demonstrated historically over racism.
 
gc70 said:
I'll say it; a town that small does not need a manager but they have one because the mayor is too lazy to provide periodic oversight to the town's few employees.
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Old data: 19 full time staff, 4 part-time, budget in the small millions, I think they need one (Dollar Store has one), but I could guess the position is overpaid and underworked. Maybe a PT manager, I dunno. But someone has to run the day to day.
 
Probably already full-time cops at other agencies. A lot of them do that because they don't know how to run personal finances and would rather burn the candle at both ends.
 
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BatteryOaksBilly said:
Just in from the thriving Metropolis of Latta, S.C.....City Attorney, 2 Councilmen, Chief of Police and 4 Police officers...QUIT.
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I’ll be hauling ass thru there Friday! :cool:
 
Chuckman said:
Old data: 19 full time staff, 4 part-time, budget in the small millions, I think they need one (Dollar Store has one), but I could guess the position is overpaid and underworked. Maybe a PT manager, I dunno. But someone has to run the day to day.
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Somebody certainly has to oversee things, but with less than two dozen employees, the mayor could -and should- provide enough oversight.

A third of those employees worked for the Police Chief, so he would be one direct report. Split the remaining employees into a couple of groups such as physical operations and finance/services and there would be two more direct reports. The mayor should be able to oversee three direct reports in a couple of hours a week. A mayor that did not want to devote a couple of hours a week to the town should resign. If the direct reports routinely required more than two hours of guidance a week, the mayor should be considering replacing direct reports.

Of course, the mayor and some or all of the primary town employees may be both incompetent and difficult to remove or replace, which changes the situation substantially.
 
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As to Latta SC …

They had some blow up about the mayor’s election … the winner didn’t live there and they sued to block him taking office and won then it was overturned by another ruling. I don’t know if the resignations had anything to do with bad feelings from this but small town politics … it will come out.
 
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As to Latta SC …

They had some blow up about the mayor’s election … the winner didn’t live there and they sued to block him taking office and won then it was overturned by another ruling. I don’t know if the resignations had anything to do with bad feelings from this but small town politics … it will come out.
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Pretty sure the 2 council members and attorney resigned because the majority of the council decided not to follow the attorney’s recommendations in all of the “mayor stuff”. Not sure about the police, but it must be tied in with that and the lack of confidence in who’s left and what’s happening (or about to happen).

From the article above…”On July 14, she said (town attorney) the town council decided not to follow state supreme court case law stating “the election cannot be a ‘de novo election’ after the protest is concluded,” and that leads her “to believe the Town of Latta will be in ongoing litigation for the foreseeable future.””
 
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