Fudd-free Range Recommendations around Raleigh or Eastern NC

please define fudds, and i might could help out.
 
Whoknows said:
I go to H2O Fowl Farms in Dunn, hardly ever anyone there during the week. You actually have people ask to see tax stamps??
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I will have to look into it, thank you. And yeah I was at ENC in Goldsboro and this guy was demanding to see my tax stamp. I asked him if he was with the ATF and he said no but he has to see it. I would really rather have my dollars go elsewhere.
 
rbell2915 said:
I will have to look into it, thank you. And yeah I was at ENC in Goldsboro and this guy was demanding to see my tax stamp. I asked him if he was with the ATF and he said no but he has to see it. I would really rather have my dollars go elsewhere.
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Some people….
 
rbell2915 said:
I will have to look into it, thank you. And yeah I was at ENC in Goldsboro and this guy was demanding to see my tax stamp. I asked him if he was with the ATF and he said no but he has to see it. I would really rather have my dollars go elsewhere.
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Did this guy have any authority to control what goes on at the range? If not, tell him it is none of his business and that he is not in the position to demand anything. If he is someone responsible for enforcing the range rules to keep the club/range from getting into legal trouble, he has every right to ensure that illegal activities do not occur at the range. My club has fairly specific rules about what firearms can be used at which specific parts of the range as well as a rule that no firearms illegally owned may be used at the range. Being a private club owned by the members, each member is well within their authority to help enforce the rules. I have never seen anyone ask to see a tax stamp but assume that the person asked would not have a problem, showing the stamp.
 
Gotta ask... was that guy running the range? if he's just another guy shooting there its nonya business but to the guy responsible it's definitely ok to make sure folks at his range arent doing illegal stuff... on his range.
 
Fudds are people who are "pro 2A but..." and feign support for the 2nd amendment. He was one of the RSOs. Why is it that he must check personal tax documentation to make sure that I'm good to go for "legality reasons" (which makes no sense because how do you know that everyone else has legally owned weapons that aren't stolen?) and it's a Surefire can, it's obviously not homemade. One of these days I'll have my own range with zero fudd rules because it's not the RSOs place to treat people like criminals.
 
Charlie said:
Did this guy have any authority to control what goes on at the range? If not, tell him it is none of his business and that he is not in the position to demand anything. If he is someone responsible for enforcing the range rules to keep the club/range from getting into legal trouble, he has every right to ensure that illegal activities do not occur at the range. My club has fairly specific rules about what firearms can be used at which specific parts of the range as well as a rule that no firearms illegally owned may be used at the range. Being a private club owned by the members, each member is well within their authority to help enforce the rules. I have never seen anyone ask to see a tax stamp but assume that the person asked would not have a problem, showing the stamp.
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Do you run every firearm on every range visit against some sort of stolen weapons database to make sure that no one is illegally using stolen guns? Same thing.
 
Just don't go to H20 on a match day. What is it? 2nd Saturday of every month? I will never go back on a match day. (speaking of Fudds) I hope it wasn't any of you all that pissed me off so badly. I haven't been in a year or more.

Outside of that, outstanding outdoor range. Bring your own targets and target stands. There might be some stands there.....
 
rbell2915 said:
Do you run every firearm on every range visit against some sort of stolen weapons database to make sure that no one is illegally using stolen guns? Same thing.
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It's a losing battle on this one. Our club is just as.... off.

They had to ban binary triggers because "you'll shoot the sky" and "someone might take off their ear pro thinking you're done and then you fire that second shot" and "someone on the road might hear it and think it's a machine gun" and "no one needs that". But, actual class 3 full auto is fine.

Somehow that mythical person standing on the road can tell the difference between a binary shooting the sky and an actual full auto, and I guess call the cops on the binary guy? If you're looking at someone's trigger finger as your indicator that the range is cold and it's safe to take off your ears, you deserve what you get.

Good luck escaping that sort of thinking. I just assume when the next generation takes over the range management we'll be banning those Phased Plasma Pulse Guns. No one needs a rifle in the 40 watt range, you'll shoot the sky!
 
Jayne said:
It's a losing battle on this one. Our club is just as.... off.

They had to ban binary triggers because "you'll shoot the sky" and "someone might take off their ear pro thinking you're done and then you fire that second shot" and "someone on the road might hear it and think it's a machine gun" and "no one needs that". But, actual class 3 full auto is fine.

Somehow that mythical person standing on the road can tell the difference between a binary shooting the sky and an actual full auto, and I guess call the cops on the binary guy? If you're looking at someone's trigger finger as your indicator that the range is cold and it's safe to take off your ears, you deserve what you get.

Good luck escaping that sort of thinking. I just assume when the next generation takes over the range management we'll be banning those Phased Plasma Pulse Guns. No one needs a rifle in the 40 watt range, you'll shoot the sky!
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Regardless, the 2A is absolute so why are these people thinking they are some sort of enforcement arm of the unconstitutional ATF? Yet they have signs up complaining about the government. Pot meet kettle.
 
rbell2915 said:
Regardless, the 2A is absolute so why are these people thinking they are some sort of enforcement arm of the unconstitutional ATF? Yet they have signs up complaining about the government. Pot meet kettle.
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Not defending, just letting you know it's not some isolated thing you're running in to.
 
turkeydance said:
is fudd an insurance requirement?
ranges have liability? or not?
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midsouthgunlawyer.com

Must I Show NFA Tax Stamp To A Range Officer? - Mid South Gun Lawyer

Short answer: No. Long answer: The attorney general, or his designee, meaning an ATF agent, can require the owner of a NFA item (suppressor, short barreled rifle, short barreled shotgun, machinegun) to show proof of registration, i.e. the tax stamp. 26 U.S. Code § 5841(e). There is nothing that...
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It's a garbage policy and not the law. They can make me show it to use their range but I am going to bitch because it's a garbage policy that I hope they change.
 
Sp00ks said:
Just don't go to H20 on a match day. What is it? 2nd Saturday of every month? I will never go back on a match day. (speaking of Fudds) I hope it wasn't any of you all that pissed me off so badly. I haven't been in a year or more.

Outside of that, outstanding outdoor range. Bring your own targets and target stands. There might be some stands there.....
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I’ve never gone on the weekend, weekday mornings I’m almost always alone which is nice.
 
Sp00ks said:
Just don't go to H20 on a match day. What is it? 2nd Saturday of every month? I will never go back on a match day. (speaking of Fudds) I hope it wasn't any of you all that pissed me off so badly. I haven't been in a year or more.

Outside of that, outstanding outdoor range. Bring your own targets and target stands. There might be some stands there.....
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What happened?
 
rbell2915 said:
Regardless, the 2A is absolute so why are these people thinking they are some sort of enforcement arm of the unconstitutional ATF? Yet they have signs up complaining about the government. Pot meet kettle.
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I’ve never had to show a copy of a stamp including at 2 gun match. but if anyone at a range ever asked me for stamp I’d show them my costco card instead. id rather be around purple hair lefties than a fudd.
 
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92G said:
I’ve never had to show a copy of a stamp but if anyone at a range ever asked me I’d show them my costco card instead. id rather be around purple hair lefties than a fudd.
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Where do you shoot? Nothing riles me up more than a stupid fudd. At least gun grabbers don't hide their intentions, fudds make your life more difficult for no reason at all and want you to pay them for the pleasure of doing so.
 
rbell2915 said:
Where do you shoot? Nothing riles me up more than a stupid fudd. At least gun grabbers don't hide their intentions, fudds make your life more difficult for no reason at all and want you to pay them for the pleasure of doing so.
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pm sent
 
I am a member at a private club. They encourage us to “police our own”.

I check any cars that come in to make sure nobody is driving on club property without a license.
And when I see someone coming out of a bathroom I run in behind them and sniff around to make sure they ain’t smoking pot in there.
Also, if they pull out a Grock or an AR47 I photograph them and send it to the mods at 1911.com.
 
Amp Mangum said:
What happened?
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You know, I posted I all out and I just don't know that I want to get into it again, still pisses me off. A year+ later.

Let's just say it was frowned upon by the Fudds how my disabled wife reloads her revolver. Been going there for years and only on match day anyone has a problem.

The RO at H2O handled it well.
 
NKD said:
I am a member at a private club. They encourage us to “police our own”.

I check any cars that come in to make sure nobody is driving on club property without a license.
And when I see someone coming out of a bathroom I run in behind them and sniff around to make sure they ain’t smoking pot in there.
Also, if they pull out a Grock or an AR47 I photograph them and send it to the mods at 1911.com.
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The "policing" should end at the five weapons safety rules. 3D printed DIAS, unregistered SBRs, homemade suppressors, anything at all, doesn't hurt anyone unless you break those rules. The NFA is just another way for the .gov to manufacture crime and justify their jobs.
 
rbell2915 said:
The "policing" should end at the five weapons safety rules. 3D printed DIAS, unregistered SBRs, homemade suppressors, anything at all, doesn't hurt anyone unless you break those rules. The NFA is just another way for the .gov to manufacture crime and justify their jobs.
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I’m definitely checking you if you come to range. INSURRECTIONIST!
 
rbell2915 said:
Do you run every firearm on every range visit against some sort of stolen weapons database to make sure that no one is illegally using stolen guns? Same thing.
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Not the same thing at all. A can, full auto, or some other obvious piece of equipment that requires people to jump through those rediculous hoops to possess is very easily detected. A firearm that was stolen is not easily detected. A person running a range could have legal or insurance problems if he neglects to have some reason to think that the obvious equipment is legal. A stolen gun would not be likely to cause problems unless the person started bragging about stealing it or unless someone recognized it as a stolen firearm.
 
Charlie said:
Not the same thing at all. A can, full auto, or some other obvious piece of equipment that requires people to jump through those rediculous hoops to possess is very easily detected. A firearm that was stolen is not easily detected. A person running a range could have legal or insurance problems if he neglects to have some reason to think that the obvious equipment is legal. A stolen gun would not be likely to cause problems unless the person started bragging about stealing it or unless someone recognized it as a stolen firearm.
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It is the same because they are treating people like criminals until proven otherwise.

That is the equivalent of demanding to see someone's W2, 1099s, or tax returns.
 
rbell2915 said:
Regardless, the 2A is absolute so why are these people thinking they are some sort of enforcement arm of the unconstitutional ATF? Yet they have signs up complaining about the government. Pot meet kettle.
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Lawyers and insurance. That is the problem you seek to solve. I wish you luck.
 
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