Gov Pooper-Cooper Vetoed SB41 to Repeal PPP - Will the veto be overridden?

Will Cooper’s veto be overridden?

  • Yes

    Votes: 29 25.0%
  • No

    Votes: 47 40.5%
  • I like turtles

    Votes: 40 34.5%

  • Total voters
    116
  • Poll closed .
The risk that some bad people in the private citizenry may access guns (this is not debatable... it will happen) is negligible compared to ceding more "cooperation" to some of the most evil and dishonest people who frankly HATE your ability to have firearms and threaten their hegemony.
There is no single group more responsible for stymying the progress on restoring our 2A rights at the state level, in every single state, than the cop lobby.

Republican legislators don't give a crap about the Everytown Mom's Demand Action nutcases. They do, however, bend over backwards to lick the boots of any LEO group that comes to them with "concerns" over constitutional carry bills and the like, and that is how the good bills stall and fail time after time after time. The LEO groups provide the single source of cover for the RINOs to vote against your rights, in exchange for the promise of ever-increasing funding; it is a disgusting symbiotic relationship.

Tennessee, a state with Republican supermajorities and a Republican governor, still can't get proper constitutional carry because "muh law enforcement testified that it will hurt officer safety". We in NC most likely would have had a PPP repeal a decade or more ago if the cop lobby had not existed.

And if these "good cops", that everyone likes to remind us of all the time, truly comprised the majority of cops, then their unions and lobbyists would be actively pushing for our rights and not against them. In NC, we have force-backed GFZ signs, no college campus carry, no K-12 carry or teacher guardian program, no permitless concealed carry, mandatory disclosure laws, a 0.0 BAC law, a no carry in a parade/protest law, and numerous other assaults on our 2A rights. Has the police lobby ever come out against any of that garbage? Or have they quietly pushed for the passage and protection of these disgusting policies?
 
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the most evil and dishonest people who frankly HATE your ability to have firearms and threaten their hegemony.
Let's watch that video of those men running towards hostile fire in that Tennessee church again and then see if there is a lot of support on here for comments like yours.

I'll grant you that my thoughts are diverging between supporting the men and women in my community that are holding things together, vs. the alphabet boys from Washington that are the new brownshirts.
 
Let's watch that video of those men running towards hostile fire in that Tennessee church again and then see if there is a lot of support on here for comments like yours.

I'll grant you that my thoughts are diverging between supporting the men and women in my community that are holding things together, vs. the alphabet boys from Washington that are the new brownshirts.
A few men doing a VERY good deed (albeit one that is part of their job description) doesn't change the fact that LEO across TN are happily represented by unions that work to destroy the rights of every Tennessean and have done so since their existence. How do you explain that? Are Moms Demand Action infiltrating the police unions and installing voting members in mass numbers?
 
the good bills stall and fail time after time after time.
Were you not around in 2011, 2013, 2015, and (after a dry spell due to Cooper), 2023? Four major pieces of pro-gun legislation that made literally hundreds of positive changes to NC's gun laws were passed, some of them with the endorsement of police officers, some over their objections.

I was in the conference room (2015?) when storage of firearms on college campuses was being debated. All the police chiefs from the thirteen UNC campuses were there, and when they were given the chance to speak, they all stood up in one big blue line in support of their speaker. It was a pretty intimidating moment. The speaker said they wanted to be able to decide whether guns could be stored in cars on their campus, just like private colleges could. And the committee chair reminded them that it wasn't their campus, it was the peoples' campus, and the people, through their representatives, would be allowing guns in cars throughout the UNC system. So I don't think the Legislature is "boot licking" or much intimidated by them, though they do respect their perspective on crime in the community.
 
some of them with the endorsement of police officers, some over their objections.

It's a pretty simple formula. They support our rights when they perceive it to be convenient for their day-to-day work, but anytime that respecting our rights would actually make their job more challenging, they work against our rights.

This is why they aren't in favor of confiscation. Because they would be the ones sent to your house and taking fire. But they are perfectly in favor of carry permitting schemes, because it gives them free reign to harass and search anyone they think might be carrying, without needing to articulate probable cause. It also gives them an easy charge ("carrying without a permit") to pin on people they really want to jail but don't have the evidence for (example, suspected drug dealer has a handgun but the drugs are not found on his person).

The sheriffs association was against PPP repeal forever until a year ago, because only recently was it seen as "duplicative" due to all the mental health records being fully reported to NICS, meaning now PPPs were just a hassle for them to deal with that didn't actually exclude more people from getting guns. Note that they didn't say "PPPs are a Jim Crow law that allows us to wield unconstitutional power over your rights", which is what good sheriffs would have said.

Maybe we just have different ideas of what police are for and what constitutes a good sheriff or police department.
 
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Let's watch that video of those men running towards hostile fire in that Tennessee church again and then see if there is a lot of support on here for comments like yours.

I'll grant you that my thoughts are diverging between supporting the men and women in my community that are holding things together, vs. the alphabet boys from Washington that are the new brownshirts.
Kudos to those men, but that is a bad example since we also have footage of times like Uvalde and the happening in western NC recently at the man's trailer.
 
Say what you want about seeing DL’s, PPP’s, BofS’s, etc … if I agree to sell a firearm (or anything else) to someone AND meet with them I ain’t waiting for/counting on some piece of paper/card to make me think they are trustworthy (read legal & law abiding into that). If I ain’t comfortable with it from the start of the deal it ain’t gonna make to where I even would see that stuff …
Looks like all of the "I'm for the 2A, but...." folks have crawled out of their holes.

F-18's for all!
You can have your F-18 … I want an A-10 … you gotta love it when someone has such a great gun they decide to build a plane around it!
 
Let's watch that video of those men running towards hostile fire in that Tennessee church again and then see if there is a lot of support on here for comments like yours.

I'll grant you that my thoughts are diverging between supporting the men and women in my community that are holding things together, vs. the alphabet boys from Washington that are the new brownshirts.
Oh gee! So sorry I missed that and had no commendations at all for them. I will retire now in shame to my room and embrace my antifa flag. I guess I am just blind to the idea that exceptions prove the rule at times and any time I criticize a group this means I am criticizing every denizen of that group. With time and patience, maybe I can figure out how individual acts of heroism make some good men in a profession which has been corrupted. It is clear my logic is faulty.

Forgive me father for I have sinned. I will say 50 "back the blue" -s and maybe be forgiven
 
IMHO I think this can free up some of the local bois resources and time that they could be using to fight real crime instead of administrative work that the alphabet gang is supposed to be doing anyway. Then the feds can take credit for the mass shootings by people that they approved of owning the firearm.
The feds loved that states like NC were doing their job for them, and maybe this can keep some of the dog shooters off the street.
 
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@Joel I’m an upstanding citizen. Haven’t had so much as a speeding ticket since 1989 (although I can’t imagine how they’ve not caught me yet.)

You’ve been a member here for nearly six years, but your opinions seem to be much more colored by where you live than this firearms community you’ve been a member of all these years.
That's an unfortunate personal attack- he's an FFL (I dont' know him) and you are accusing him of some liberal bent based on his zip code? I personally like criminals in jail too, so I guess my Wake county zip code and NCSU alma mater make me a traitor?

Those saying "the government will find you"- maybe you're confusing a personal sale to an FFL? Some I know insist on personal sales just because of that and I support it. But when I'm selling, if I don't know you and you're unwilling to provide ID, then go catfish someone else.
 
That's an unfortunate personal attack- he's an FFL (I dont' know him) and you are accusing him of some liberal bent based on his zip code? I personally like criminals in jail too, so I guess my Wake county zip code and NCSU alma mater make me a traitor?

Those saying "the government will find you"- maybe you're confusing a personal sale to an FFL? Some I know insist on personal sales just because of that and I support it. But when I'm selling, if I don't know you and you're unwilling to provide ID, then go catfish someone else.
Did you even read his posts?

And if you think you’re mad now, wait till you read the rest of this thread.

When you are done, there are some pre-printed “Fieldgrade was mean again” forms on file with the mods. Fill it out in triplicate, have it notarized, send a copy to CFF, and then put me on ignore.

Or just skip right to that last part.
 
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Did you even read his posts?

And if you think you’re mad now, wait till you read the rest of this thread.

When you are done, there are some pre-printed “Fieldgrade was mean again” forms on file with the mods. Fill it out in triplicate, have it notarized, send a copy to CFF, and then put me on ignore.

Or just skip right to that last part.
Sorry, I don't know you or him, but personal attacks are lame- I'm assuming you don't know him either. I'll follow your recommendation.
 
Sorry, I don't know you or him, but personal attacks are lame- I'm assuming you don't know him either. I'll follow your recommendation.
You’ve been here since a week after this place kicked off. If what you saw felt like a personal attack, you will be shocked at what else I/we might say if you read more here.

And I’m pretty benign.
 
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You’ve been here since a week after this place kicked off. If what you saw felt like a personal attack, you will be shocked at what else I/we might say if you read more here.

And I’m pretty benign.

Simmer time...

Tic toc, tic toc...
 
You’ve been here since a week after this place kicked off. If what you saw felt like a personal attack, you will be shocked at what else I/we might say if you read more here.

And I’m pretty benign.
I won’t start worrying about ya until you say Miracle Whip is better than Dukes (or even Hellman’s) …
 
I am still missing the explanation of why NC domestic violence convictions supposedly don't make it into the NICS database?
I will now answer my own question ... I did a bit of reading up and they indeed do not get reported. As it turns out the standard of what could get you one of those is laughably low in NC (essentially an unwanted physical contact). The federal prohibition is aimed at VIOLENT people so it does just not line up with what NC has on the books.
 
I just got this email from the ATF, along with a message in voicemail. I have a C&R FFL, so tend to get most of the messages that go to dealers.

From: <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 8:17 AM
Subject: ATF FFL ALERT - NC SENATE BILL 41 - PISTOL PURCHASE PERMITS
To:

This is an important message from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

On November 13, 1998, ATF issued an Open Letter to All North Carolina Federal Firearms Licensees advising them that the North Carolina pistol purchase permit qualifies as an alternative to NICS. On March 29, 2023, North Carolina Senate Bill 41 overcame the North Carolina Governor’s veto and became law that same day. North Carolina Senate Bill 41 repeals GS 14-402, which required the pistol purchase permit to acquire a pistol from an FFL. Additionally, the North Carolina pistol purchase permit is no longer considered an approved NICS alternate permit.

Accordingly, effective March 29, 2023 , North Carolina pistol purchase permits – regardless of when issued - may not be used as an alternative to the NICS background check requirement.

North Carolina’s concealed handgun permits are unaffected by Senate Bill 41 and will continue to serve as an alternative to a NICS check requirement. Please contact your local ATF office if you have additional questions.
 
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I’m not sure that’s common sense.

The law change repealed the whole PPP section. It didn’t grandfather it. It’s as if it never existed.

So I don’t know which way it goes, but I could see them all being immediately null and void.

Just got the phone call, and you sir, are a winner! Existing permits are no longer valid and may not be used as alternative to the NICS check.
 
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A friend and occasional poster here stopped by yesterday. He had been making the rounds of local gun and pawn shops. He said they were all jammed with people excitedly trying to buy handguns now that “permission” is no longer required. He witnessed several customers angrily explaining that background checks are no longer required. 😂
 
A friend and occasional poster here stopped by yesterday. He had been making the rounds of local gun and pawn shops. He said they were all jammed with people excitedly trying to buy handguns now that “permission” is no longer required. He witnessed several customers angrily explaining that background checks are no longer required. 😂
Why not, since every media outlet has been hysterically saying the same thing.
 
I just got this email from the ATF, along with a message in voicemail. I have a C&R FFL, so tend to get most of the messages that go to dealers.

From: <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 8:17 AM
Subject: ATF FFL ALERT - NC SENATE BILL 41 - PISTOL PURCHASE PERMITS
To:

This is an important message from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

On November 13, 1998, ATF issued an Open Letter to All North Carolina Federal Firearms Licensees advising them that the North Carolina pistol purchase permit qualifies as an alternative to NICS. On March 29, 2023, North Carolina Senate Bill 41 overcame the North Carolina Governor’s veto and became law that same day. North Carolina Senate Bill 41 repeals GS 14-402, which required the pistol purchase permit to acquire a pistol from an FFL. Additionally, the North Carolina pistol purchase permit is no longer considered an approved NICS alternate permit.

Accordingly, effective March 29, 2023 , North Carolina pistol purchase permits – regardless of when issued - may not be used as an alternative to the NICS background check requirement.

North Carolina’s concealed handgun permits are unaffected by Senate Bill 41 and will continue to serve as an alternative to a NICS check requirement. Please contact your local ATF office if you have additional questions.


Rude SOB's robo called me at 8:05 this morning with this info.
 
Why not, since every media outlet has been hysterically saying the same thing.
I dropped by Academy in Apex while I waited for a takeout order. They knew about the change, but their electronic 4473 system wouldn't process NC transactions without the PPP or CHP. They were anticipating an overnight software update to fix it. I suspect that many big box stores have had the same issue.
 
Just got the phone call, and you sir, are a winner! Existing permits are no longer valid and may not be used as alternative to the NICS check.
If I had a nickel…

(I’d probably be up to at least 25¢ by now)
 
No call (won't have answered here in Iraq) but got the email from ATF too (C&R)
Rude SOB's robo called me at 8:05 this morning with this info.
I got a call this morning around 8 from a 202 area code telling me to press any key for an important announcement, so I hung up. Wonder if it was the ATF robocall?
 
I got a call this morning around 8 from a 202 area code telling me to press any key for an important announcement, so I hung up. Wonder if it was the ATF robocall?


Same for me. Didn’t answer because it was flagged as potential spam.
 
This law should have went in effect 2 years ago. It’s just a money racket. Background checks are essential… but multiple documents that add cost and aggravation do not deter the dishonest people, only the casual people looking to own a gun for protection.
 
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