Gov Pooper-Cooper Vetoed SB41 to Repeal PPP - Will the veto be overridden?

Will Cooper’s veto be overridden?

  • Yes

    Votes: 29 25.0%

  • No

    Votes: 47 40.5%

  • I like turtles

    Votes: 40 34.5%
  • Total voters
    116
  • Poll closed .
cubrock said:
That is my understanding, but I want to hear someone at ATF confirm that. The only contact with them about it was a reply to call the local sheriff 1 that they don't get involved in state/local matters.
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Just got off the phone with the ATF. They were at an all hands meeting in Charlotte when the override passed. Their director told them about it, but that they didn't have the actual details yet. They are awaiting information from the state to decide on guidance. Basically, they've heard what we have. I also asked if current PPPs are still valid and still qualify as an exemption to the NICS requirement under Brady. My ATF guy said that they have the same question. So they suggested "belt and suspenders" for the time being.
 
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I publicly said this day would never happen, happily, I was wrong! And I will go eat my crow now🤣
those of you who kept the faith and fought hard for this, I salute you! Good job!

And to celebrate I’m gonna go buy a new pistol tomorrow.
 
cubrock said:
That is my understanding, but I want to hear someone at ATF confirm that. The only contact with them about it was a reply to call the local sheriff 1 that they don't get involved in state/local matters.
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If they are taking a step back then that would tell me everything that I needed to know. Asking the ATF for their opinion shouldn't matter if there is still a background check being done, right? Of you're an FFL isn't a background check a background check is a background check?
 
ECNC said:
I am very happy that I was wrong about the house doing an override this morning. We need to see more overrides in this state.
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yes. I am FIRMLY supportive of the power of the governor to veto, as well as the legislature to override. I wish there were a provision to revoke legislation by popular vote, as well. Set it up on 3/5 majority. While I am wishing and fishing, I wish there were a provision that a 3/5 majority of states could overturn USSC decisions.
 
Another FFL I know heard back from ATF. Looks like it is a go on their end and they are no longer accepting existing purchase permits in lieu of a background check. That stinks for the 18-2 year olds who were told to go get purchase permits to avoid the mandatory NICS delay they get out through.

Still, a win is a win.
 
DavesBuddysNeighbor said:
Just got off the phone with the ATF. They were at an all hands meeting in Charlotte when the override passed. Their director told them about it, but that they didn't have the actual details yet. They are awaiting information from the state to decide on guidance. Basically, they've heard what we have. I also asked if current PPPs are still valid and still qualify as an exemption to the NICS requirement under Brady. My ATF guy said that they have the same question. So they suggested "belt and suspenders" for the time being.
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So, they are suggesting take a PPP AND do a NiCS,
 
Now I may buy a pistol from one of you guys - this law always was BS. I still have hard time believing that after having carry permits from 3 other states (for almost 20 years) that I have to take the NC class and test to get one here - will wait until my FL expires.
 
Herk said:
Now I may buy a pistol from one of you guys - this law always was BS. I still have hard time believing that after having carry permits from 3 other states (for almost 20 years) that I have to take the NC class and test to get one here - will wait until my FL expires.
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Just order a New Hampshire nonresident permit for $100. It's a one page form that you mail. No class, no fingerprinting. Cheaper and easier.

Edit: Just keep an eye on the news from South Carolina this year. If you plan on travelling there and they fail to pass constitutional carry, then they will still only recognize resident permits.
 
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DuncanLempRIP said:
Not true. The law is that you cannot sell to someone who you know cannot legally buy. There is no legal requirement to check a license. If the person tells you they're from another state and you sell to them, you're in violation, but them verbally telling you they live in NC is more than sufficient.

Technically, even that verbal check isn't required from a legal perspective; you as the seller just need to not have any reason to believe the buyer is ineligible. The burden of proof would be on the government to show that you knew the buyer was prohibited and sold to them anyways.
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You say that, but I will do so- enough youtube videos of fake buyer (ATF), and I'd hate to be the one who sells one to the next disturbed tranny who shoots up a school.

This is going to sound odd, since I'm anti-big-brother, but I wish that as a private seller, *I* could do a NICS check- why not? How about an anonymous website where I can put in enough info for a NICS check?
 
DuncanLempRIP said:
Just order a New Hampshire nonresident permit for $100. It's a one page form that you mail. No class, no fingerprinting. Cheaper and easier.

Edit: Just keep an eye on the news from South Carolina this year. If you plan on travelling there and they fail to pass constitutional carry, then they will still only recognize resident permits.
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Please Note: Pistol/Revolver licenses issued by the State of New Hampshire to out-of-state residents are only valid within the State of New Hampshire or within a state that recognizes a New Hampshire non-resident pistol/revolver license.

It doesn’t say on the website what states do or do not recognize the out of state portion.
 
Sasquatch said:
You say that, but I will do so- enough youtube videos of fake buyer (ATF), and I'd hate to be the one who sells one to the next disturbed tranny who shoots up a school.

This is going to sound odd, since I'm anti-big-brother, but I wish that as a private seller, *I* could do a NICS check- why not? How about an anonymous website where I can put in enough info for a NICS check?
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Why would the ATF concern you? You wouldn't be breaking any federal law.
 
Sasquatch said:
You say that, but I will do so- enough youtube videos of fake buyer (ATF), and I'd hate to be the one who sells one to the next disturbed tranny who shoots up a school.

This is going to sound odd, since I'm anti-big-brother, but I wish that as a private seller, *I* could do a NICS check- why not? How about an anonymous website where I can put in enough info for a NICS check?
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That is one interesting part about these things finally being banished. I wonder how it will affect person to person transactions where someone without a concealed permit for whatever reason also doesn't have a ppp to show a stranger they have been "verified" within the last five years.

Personally, I've always known and understood that the law puts the onus on the buyer and the seller just must not "knowingly sell to a prohibited person".

But is is a nice bit of peace of mind to see something that shows indeed the buyer has been vetted at some point when they are a total stranger to you. A man's word being the truth is sadly slipping away😑

At the same time. Since we constantly have threads about keeping the darn things and "bills of sale" for "seller protection"🤣. The best is surely going to get even more interesting than before...
 
DCGallim said:
Please Note: Pistol/Revolver licenses issued by the State of New Hampshire to out-of-state residents are only valid within the State of New Hampshire or within a state that recognizes a New Hampshire non-resident pistol/revolver license.

It doesn’t say on the website what states do or do not recognize the out of state portion.
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That's the fun part; you get to read each state's gun laws!

To give you a brief rundown of nearby states here, VA accepts it for 21+, NC accepts it for all ages, TN is permitless already, SC does NOT (resident licenses only), GA is permitless already, and FL does NOT (resident licenses only).

A lot of the semi-communist states (such as PA, CO, NM, etc.) only recognize a permit from the state of the carrier's residence. The fully communist states (Eg. MD, NJ) will never recognize any out of state permit until they are forced to by a federal court decision.
 
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Trevillian said:
That is one interesting part about these things finally being banished. I wonder how it will affect person to person transactions where someone without a concealed permit for whatever reason also doesn't have a ppp to show a stranger they have been "verified" within the last five years.

Personally, I've always known and understood that the law puts the onus on the buyer and the seller just must not "knowingly sell to a prohibited person".

But is is a nice bit of peace of mind to see something that shows indeed the buyer has been vetted at some point when they are a total stranger to you. A man's word being the truth is sadly slipping away😑

At the same time. Since we constantly have threads about keeping the darn things and "bills of sale" for "seller protection"🤣. The best is surely going to get even more interesting than before...
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Oh yeah, to make you feel a little better. With a name and location. You can pretty easily find mugshots of a potential buyer with a quick Google search.
 
I’m super excited that the bill got passed! I’m glad Cooper didn’t get his way! It’s refreshing to have a pro gun bill become law!
 
Holy crap. How do y'all think these transactions are handled in other states that don't have a PPP system? Y'all that are upset about verifying people now are acting like abused spouses. "I swear, the state really loved me. They only violated my rights because they loved me."
 
cubrock said:
So, they are suggesting take a PPP AND do a NiCS,
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My ATF IOI said that they are unsure at this point if existing PPPs are still valid or if they are still an acceptable substitute for a NICS check. His guidance was to do the background check even if they present a PPP (in the short term). He said that common sense would lead you to believe that the PPPs would still be fine, but until they get a look at the actual language of the legislation passed today, they can't say that this is the case with any certainty.
 
I still get run through the NICS system with my pistol purchased permits even if the permit is freshly issue 1 or 2 days old permit, so I don't see a point in keeping the pistol purchased permit system in place.
 
Joel said:
For all of you that are perfectly fine selling a firearm to some unknown unidentified person. If that firearm is ever used in crime and in the possession of Law Enforcement, a trace will very likely be run and the firearm will be traced as far as it can be traced. If that trace ends with you and you tell LE that you sold the gun and have no other information then legally maybe you are good. But, what is the harm with collecting the ID of the buyer so you can provide that information to LE which possibly will help LE solve the crime. Any reasonable buyer will not have a issue with a Bill of Sale and providing their identity. I think most of us gun owners do want to see felons and murderers in jail, do we not?
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Sir.
Yes you sir, from Chapel Hill.

You, nor we, are charged with enforcing the laws.

Edit to add- I see you are an FFL from the next post. I guess you are. Private citizens are not
 
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DavesBuddysNeighbor said:
My ATF IOI said that they are unsure at this point if existing PPPs are still valid or if they are still an acceptable substitute for a NICS check. His guidance was to do the background check even if they present a PPP (in the short term). He said that common sense would lead you to believe that the PPPs would still be fine, but until they get a look at the actual language of the legislation passed today, they can't say that this is the case with any certainty.
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I’m not sure that’s common sense.

The law change repealed the whole PPP section. It didn’t grandfather it. It’s as if it never existed.

So I don’t know which way it goes, but I could see them all being immediately null and void.
 
Joel said:
So are you saying you do not care to help our LE solve crimes? I guess that is OK but not where most people I associate with stand.
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You can continue to stand right there with them.
 
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Joel said:
So are you saying you do not care to help our LE solve crimes? I guess that is OK but not where most people I associate with stand.
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Guess what? Maybe your buyer is not a criminal, but still doesn't want his name and info attached to the gun, because he understands that governments can change and become more tyrannical over time. The law-abiding citizen today is a criminal tomorrow. Just ask the descendants of those 10s of millions of people who once were law-abiding citizens in the USSR, Germany, and China.

By the way, LE serves us, not the other way around. Why don't you set up a web-connected surveillance camera in your bedroom? Don't you want to help LE in case someone breaks into your house?
 
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@Joel I’m an upstanding citizen. Haven’t had so much as a speeding ticket since 1989 (although I can’t imagine how they’ve not caught me yet.)

You’ve been a member here for nearly six years, but your opinions seem to be much more colored by where you live than this firearms community you’ve been a member of all these years.
 
fieldgrade said:
You’ve been a member here for nearly six years, but your opinions seem to be much more colored by where you live than this firearms community you’ve been a member of all these years.
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And if he lives in Chapel Hill, I'd imagine that opinion's color looks something like this:
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Edit: Changed image to be both smaller and more inclusive!
 
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ChickenHawk said:
Holy crap. How do y'all think these transactions are handled in other states that don't have a PPP system? Y'all that are upset about verifying people now are acting like abused spouses. "I swear, the state really loved me. They only violated my rights because they loved me."
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I go to the store and buy a gun, nics done on the spot.

Private sales done via 🤝
 
Diablos said:
I go to the store and buy a gun, nics done on the spot.

Private sales done via 🤝
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That was the way Virginia was when I lived there. It still is other than their limit on how many you can buy if you don't have a concealed carry permit. It is sad to me that people seem to be brainwashed by the liberal talking points. I never thought that I would see anything but joy about this.

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