Inflated pistol economy.

Gaston said:
Also, some of my Glocks are rare! Which makes them valuable!... to me.

How many of you can say you own a grey RTF2 G19? If you *can* say that then please sell it to me -- I could use some more.

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Gray? Is that from the polymer fading from UV exposure? ;)
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
He's right....it's already happening....the S&W revolver market and the Colt market are narrowing monthly. My friend that sold his gun shop and indoor range said the last 2 years he was in business the highest price handgun he sold was $600. He had a counter full of Les Baers and Wilsons.

We live in a plastic gun world now. The Dirty Harry 29s have been replaced by Glocks...the movies moved us to buy 29s and the movies and video games move folks now to plastic. It will be after I've crossed the river for sure But the "worthness" of steel frame revolvers [or revolvers in whole] is diminishing monthly...........while it saddens me some, I am a realist. When I can't sell a Colt Clark Longslide for $2K or a S&W 52 with extra mags for $1K, the writing's on the wall.
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It will happen to millennial Glock fans too. There's too many of them out there and polymer has a shelf life. Oxidation, stress, even contact with metal causes breakdown. They won't last forever.
Plus, tastes change. I think at some point there will likely be a trend towards more wood and metal for nostalgia, value, and aesthetic reasons. Something similar happened in the music market. Who would have thought you could buy vinyl albums at Wal-Mart in 2023?
I think milsurp is the only area where you are likely to see long term stability.
 
We are also in the age of high quality not necessarily equalling high cost, unless you're getting a custom shop model.
Big price tags have their place no doubt, but we relatively "old" guys are the ones still trying to capture specimens of the iron we wanted in our youth......
 
Have one Glock a "Gen 1" if you want to say. Never liked the feel of it, didn't sit well in my hand. was like it wanted to
"point" down, kinda hard to explain, didn't want to come to target, or didn't seem to be an extension of my arm / hand,
like when you get that rifle / shotgun that just comes up to and points on target, it fits.
Guess I could of got-in used to it. 1911's is what I was shooting Colts NM, Gold Cups, Clark Customs, AMT
Hard-Ballers, Long-Slides, Para's, a few HK's USP's, Sig's, guess I'm spoiled by those, while I do have some XD's. They all
fit differently than the Glock. Got nothing against them, just my preference
My Carry ones are S&W 4553 TSW, Sig 250 Compact, mainly the Sig250

little off subject ...well now used that Inflation Thingy...I could never afford hardly any of my toys
HK 91 / 93 $399.00
Ruger Blackhawk $189.00




-Snoopz
 
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Exspiravit said:
We should start a thread on Friday just to roast everyone else's favorite guns.

Many people on here will tolerate you saying something bad about their momma, but if you imply their Sig PPwhatevernumberpoopoo pistol isn't the best thing that ever was, well it's time for fisticuffs.
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Fridays coming...
 
92G said:
Werent glocks around $500 in the 1990’s as well? If so the inflation argument would require glocks to be $1000 by now. I’d say Glock has kept their prices extremely competitive and fair when one considers the amazing consistency and reliability of Glock handguns. there are no pistols I trust as much. Not even close.
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I bought my first Glock in 2001, right after my 21st birthday. It was a Gen 3 G17. I paid $449+ tax. Still have it, and I’ve put thousands of rounds through it. Finish is well worn, but it goes bang every time. Prices have stayed fairly consistent around $500. It was money well spent, and worth the price.
 
I'm not sure it's inflated, they have been roughly the same price since the late 1990s. While I consider myself a M9 guy, I dont carry one anymore and I rotate a 19 with a RMR and a Dan Wesson 1911. While I was the CATM guy I witnessed G19s and 17s get brutalized and neglected daily, it was easy to pick a EDC.

Bonus (for me anyway) is the dreaded "grip angle" well, if you aggressively point your index finger at something...poof! Glock grip angle.

Back on topic, if you knew you could buy something then use it and abuse it and not take basic care of it for years wouldn't there be a considerable amount of value in that?
 
Glock- the gun people love to hate and hate to love.

Rumors of getting through airport metal detectors, torture tests that included freezing in ice, covered in mud etc, and heavy use in rap music and action movies...

These all come to my mind when i was younger and started hearing the name glock thrown around.

People list all the things a glock does good (reliable, cheap, easy to use/takedown) and finish with something they don't like about them (Looks and/or ergos usually). Or they say out front-i hate em..... but they work.

I'm not sure what a fan boi even is, but i like guns that work, are affordable, and easy to figure out. I don't think that has to mean you're disrespecting other favorites that you love for other reasons such as beauty, nostalgia, or bc dirty Harry used it in your favorite movie.

We can have it all boys.
 
Mr. Bggs said:
Glock- the gun people love to hate and hate to love.

Rumors of getting through airport metal detectors, torture tests that included freezing in ice, covered in mud etc, and heavy use in rap music and action movies...

These all come to my mind when i was younger and started hearing the name glock thrown around.

People list all the things a glock does good (reliable, cheap, easy to use/takedown) and finish with something they don't like about them (Looks and/or ergos usually). Or they say out front-i hate em..... but they work.

I'm not sure what a fan boi even is, but i like guns that work, are affordable, and easy to figure out. I don't think that has to mean you're disrespecting other favorites that you love for other reasons such as beauty, nostalgia, or bc dirty Harry used it in your favorite movie.

We can have it all boys.
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It is all in the branding, I took a couple of my friends kids out shooting who had never been before as a way to introduce them to the shooting sport. The them every pistol was a glock. When you have that type of built in brainwashing of new shooters, who think Glock is the end all and be all, until they learn different glock is safe. And this is world wide not just in the USA.
 
paulk003 said:
It is all in the branding,
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I think the secret to Glock success and supremacy in their processes. I think the fact that the design is elegantly simple certainly helps but in the end it is the fact you get a good pistol every time, decade after decade.
Most people are aware of part tolerance i.e. a dimension has to be xxx+/-xx but top tier manufacturers control their processes and measure quality by what is referred to a Cpk or capability index. Without going down a rabbit hole it basically measures the distribution of a dimension so while the dimension is within the desired range it also is very close to all the other parts being made.
A good example of NOT this is a Ruger LCP. Parts fit together and “work” but it is a jam-o-matic.
 
Exspiravit said:
How does Glock do it? How do they produce a pistol that seems to keep it's value?
Every one else is pumping out $350-$400 pistols that do the exact same thing and sometimes do it better.
There are a bajillion Glock brand plastic bricks floating around. PD's dump them used, Glock keeps pumping them out, people buy them and then realize they are boring and sell them. PSA and several other companies are making cheaper priced copies.

It seems unsustainable and yet people will still pay $500 for a used one like a schmuck.
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You know, I was talking to a Glock distributor a while back who said in US dollars it only costs Glock about $75 per gun to make most of their stock models. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

As to why they hold their value? Have you ever noticed that Toyota seems to hold their values fairly well too? I guess that makes Glock the Toyota of the gun world lol.
 
RegularJoeGunGuy said:
Glock distributor a while back who said in US dollars it only costs Glock about $75 per gun to make most of their stock models
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That is probably about right if you just consider just the piece part cost.
It most likely does not count overhead like marketing, assembly and testing costs and scrapping bad parts (Bear Creek I am looking at you).
 
Yeah, I know each of those functions get their slice of the pie along the way. I think the really big issue is one of overall economic inflation. The mechanism behind the creation of money by the Federal Reserve (not a federal agency btw) has had inflation built in since it inception. We're just on the tail end if that self fulfilling bubble burst. Everything is going up. Guns, ammo, food, real estate, etc etc.

.....sorry, got on a rant there lol.
 
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someguyfromnc said:
I love glocks too but it has this fanboi lifestyle brand following like jeep, corvette, Porsche, Harley that I can't get into.
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All of the brands you listed are known as "Lifestyle" brands...

They are not just gear... They are a lifestyle
 
Hashknife said:
All of the brands you listed are known as "Lifestyle" brands...

They are not just gear... They are a lifestyle
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That is exactly what I said. And basing your whole personality on one brand seems like a mental issue to me. I know plenty of people that treat glock the same way.
 
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RegularJoeGunGuy said:
You know, I was talking to a Glock distributor a while back who said in US dollars it only costs Glock about $75 per gun to make most of their stock models. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

As to why they hold their value? Have you ever noticed that Toyota seems to hold their values fairly well too? I guess that makes Glock the Toyota of the gun world lol.
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A Glock guy told me a few years back it was closer to $125, so I don't know, but still... when you can contract with a PD or the mil for $200 a copy and still make a gazillion dollars, you know you understand margins and profit.

They are not my favorite gun to shoot, but golly, the reliability, cost, and billions of aftermarket accessories make it a no-brainer for me.
 
someguyfromnc said:
That is exactly what I said. And basing your whole personality on one brand seems like a mental issue to me. I know plenty of people that treat glock the same way.
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Glock is definately a lifestyle brand.

Know why Glock is the leader in PD purchases?
Its not because Glock is "best in class"...

Its because Glock is "best in budget"
 
Hashknife said:
Glock is definately a lifestyle brand.

Know why Glock is the leader in PD purchases?
Its not because Glock is "best in class"...

Its because Glock is "best in budget"
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A few years ago, probably close to five or six, I spoke with the guy in a large police department. He said that when the department got Glocks, being the less expensive of the competitors certainly made it an easy choice, but the first choice was a little more expensive but also had a track record of having to have work done on them. He said the maintenance cost versus the maintenance cost for Glock just made it impossible to choose anything else.
 
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