This^^^^^^^^ Years ago I had a machinist make a set of grips for a Pin gun I was shooting. They were made from bronze. They looked just like any other grip after they were stippled and painted black. They weighed I POUND. When on the bottom of a 1911 platform, the slide just went pop pop pop, almost no recoil. This even with pin loads. Mass, as stated above, is the answer when recoil reduction is the goal.More weight = less felt recoil regardless of the material used.
Wow! I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about here. Lol.How deep you can get your trigger hand under the slide is more important than material. Then extra weight helps a lot. I feel getting deep is real important for most women.
Wow! I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about here. Lol.
If we're talking about getting the grip centered just right in your hand, so your lightweight revolver doesn't bruise your thumb (it did!) , or the slide on your other gun doesn't bite you (which it hasn't!), I'm with you!
Otherwise, I'll need some pictures.
I don't really know what else to add!
also, things like bore axis, grip angle, etc come into play in felt recoil. Getting something that fits your hand is very very important. In my XL glove sized hands, small steel pistols have more felt recoil than full size poly pistols with similar weight
Hey, I didn't start the weirdness about the deepness, etc.!!!!Uh Oh. Tortuga here we come. LOL
What happens there?Uh Oh. Tortuga here we come. LOL
Pin gun? Pic or explanation please.This^^^^^^^^ Years ago I had a machinist make a set of grips for a Pin gun I was shooting. They were made from bronze. They looked just like any other grip after they were stippled and painted black. They weighed I POUND. When on the bottom of a 1911 platform, the slide just went pop pop pop, almost no recoil. This even with pin loads. Mass, as stated above, is the answer when recoil reduction is the goal.
Yes, I 've emailed Jims in Fayetteville to see if they can let me try some. I don't want to go to Fayetteville, but I will if I can try a bunch of guns.Just go try a bunch and see what feels RIGHT to you
Yes, I had grip issues with my revolver. Ow! Still love it, though! The other gun is great, but small. At least it didn't hurt me! So I'm hoping a bigger gun will be better for me.The most important thing for recoil is going to be ergos, technique and grip, imo.
What happens there?
Mr. Gun had a provocative sounding answer to my question. Or was I making it provocative?
Hey, I didn't start the weirdness about the deepness, etc.!!!!
Yes, I had grip issues with my revolver. Ow! Still love it, though! The other gun is great, but small. At least it didn't hurt me! So I'm hoping a bigger gun will be better for me.
Yes, I had a faulty grip ON the revolver, my fault I got bruised, new gun, but lived and learned....and continued on with my test before switching guns.I was not referring to the grip of the gun, I was referring to your grip ON the gun. As in the technique you use and your grip strength.
Grip dimensions of the gun is certainly relevant.
But it is a good grip technique that kills recoil more than anything else.
Sounds like fun! How have I never heard of this before?While I totally agree with the heavier is better with respect to recoil reduction (yep, physics wins every time I will say that *all* else being equal, the tupperware guns flex a bit and soften the impulse. So if a plastic and metal gun weigh the same, and the bore axis, grip placement, etc. are all the same, then the plastic gun will likely feel a bit softer in recoil.
Also, for Millie, a pin gun is one used for bowling pin shooting. 5 pins are placed 1' back from the front of a 4' x 8' table (usually metal), and the fastest time to knock all 5 off wins. you have to hit the pins hard in the right place to knock them straight back and off, rather than end up with them spinning around on the table, you have to be fast, powerful and accurate.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_pin_shooting for more details
Since no one has said it yet...
Yes, all-metal is better.
Ooh, I like that one! The reason I'm thinking bigger is I want to be able to not need a grip extender like I did with one of the guns I own, because my pinkie fell off into air, basically.So deeper and bigger? That rules me out.
This is a 3rd gen Smith and Wesson I think it fits your bill. Also look for a P89 ruger.
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Bigger isn't always better...... Heavy is what matters with recoil.
I'll go look it up right now. I think I've read reviews. I'll let you know if I think it's pretty. I might be ok carrying it, I'm a big girl, though not as big as I was a few weeks ago, thank goodness! Unless it weighs about 6 pounds....Hi Point 9mm? Home defense for sure because you will need a shopping cart to carry it. Heavy and recoil is minimal with the barrel not rotating up. Not pretty by any means.
Went and looked up how to disassemble one....it's not as easy as the Kel Tec, for sure!Hi Point 9mm? Home defense for sure because you will need a shopping cart to carry it. Heavy and recoil is minimal with the barrel not rotating up. Not pretty by any means.
And ugly as sin. Give us a picture of you holding the pistol, maybe we can see if your making some mistakes. Pistol in hand picture.Went and looked up how to disassemble one....it's not as easy as the Kel Tec, for sure!
Yes, I had a faulty grip ON the revolver, my fault I got bruised, new gun, but lived and learned....and continued on with my test before switching guns.
The other gun was much friendlier to my hand.
i need to check out guns in person, hoping to rent some soon!
Now how can I take a pic of me holding a gun in my right hand! My left hand won't do that, I'm sure, especially with this tablet! lol.And ugly as sin. Give us a picture of you holding the pistol, maybe we can see if your making some mistakes. Pistol in hand picture.
I'm trying to find out if this range in Fayetteville has guns to rent. I've sent an email, but i guess I'd better call. I know they have shooting instruction.I recommend you get some shooting lessons from a qualified instructor before committing to any new gun.
I think it will help you a lot.
I'm hoping I can find a range with rentals. I'll grab and feel some guns at the local store, which is close, then try to shoot the ones that fit my hand the best. I'm hoping I won't have to travel far to do this! We'll see....One of the dictionary definitions for recoil is "the distance through which a weapon moves backward after discharging". Another is "to spring or fly back, as in consequence of force of impact or the force of the discharge, as a firearm".
To complicate the matter, there is "recoil", as defined above, and then there is "perceived" or "felt" recoil, which is what the person subjectively feels when experiencing the physical recoil of the gun.
Perceived recoil is different from person to person for the same firearm for a variety of reasons.
Perceived recoil is also different from firearm to firearm for the same person for a variety of reasons.
So, now that I've confused the issue with this, let's talk about some of the things which affect recoil and perceived recoil.
In the simplest terms, recoil is caused by the forces of expanding gases which act to push the bullet in one direction (out of the barrel of the gun) and the gun in the opposite direction. The movement of the gun is called "recoil".
If you have a heavier gun, then the expanding gases are less able to push the gun back, therefore recoil is less.
If you use lower velocity, lighter bullets, then the expanding gases are less able to push the gun back, therefore recoil is less.
This is recoil in a nutshell.
Perceived recoil, however, has to do with how the person holding the gun FEELS the recoil forces being applied to the gun. Several factors affect this.
If the person has a weak grip, then the perceived recoil will be larger than for a person with a stronger grip.
If the person's grip on the gun is not comfortable because of any number of reasons, then the perceived recoil will be larger than for a person to whom the grip is more comfortable.
If the gun's construction has the barrel mounted higher above the grip than another of similar weight/design, then the perceived recoil may be larger because this increases a leverage effect between the barrel and the grip. It tends to make the gun pivot up much harder, causing the gun, and therefore the hand/arm to rise more during recoil. Or the wrist to bend/flex more.
THAT SAID:
Recoil management is a balance of ammunition type, gun weight, gun design, and individual physical grip/strength.
When choosing a firearm, the weight has to be within the individual's "comfort zone", so to speak. Not too heavy...yet not so light for the ammunition as to be a recoil concern.
It must also fit comfortably in the hand. The grip should not be so large or so small as to be a gripping/control issue. It must also "feel good" in your hand, like it "fits". Angular edges/corners, contours, etc. which are uncomfortable may cause pain, irritation, or distractions when using the gun. It may also affect control. A gun which comfortably fits one's grip is one you will grip properly and control better.
Once you've found one or more which fit your grip, try them out on the range. See how the recoil feels to you.
Yes! The .38 revolver seemed snappy. (Because I let the gun guy sell me a "girly" airweight!) The .380 seemed more "pushy" than snappy, and I was able to shoot it more comfortably. I'd like to try some 9mm, but might try other rounds too. You never know what might work.One more thing to add to his dissertation - another big factor in felt recoil is how abruptly it happens. The same absolute amount of recoil energy feels very different delivered more quickly or more slowly - a “hit” vs a “push”. When someone says that recoil is snappy, they mean the former. It really can feel like a punch in the palm or a push on your shoulder through your arm, depending on how quickly the recoil energy is transferred to or through your hand. Slower heavier bullets like 45ACP push while faster smaller rounds of similar energy like a 40S&W are snappier.