July 2023 22lr Rimfire 50 yd Challenge
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A future target idea that I used to use in my precision rimfire match. Or just try it for fun...
Put up a playing card at 25 yards. Take as many shots as you want. Your score is the number of holes that are completely within the card and not touching any other hole. At some point your score starts to go down. The trick is knowing when to stop
It's fun.
Put up a playing card at 25 yards. Take as many shots as you want. Your score is the number of holes that are completely within the card and not touching any other hole. At some point your score starts to go down. The trick is knowing when to stop
It's fun.
Here is a way to score this as a target: Take 11 shots. Score is the number of rings you broke (10 rings and the center dot). For tiebreaker, add up the numbers for each ring hit, but reverse the order (1 for outer ring, 2 for next, 10 for innermost ring), with 15 for the center dot, so score both ways - 0-11 and the sum of ring values.
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Yes, but did the patient live or die?
Just for reference. Printing is very tricky on this one. The full page targets I printed had the following measurements with digital calipers. Top target .40 inches. Middle targets .45 inches. Bottom targets .56 inches. If you get close to this, let me know.
Litl_Red
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Tricky and so far up for grabs on what version is the official one.
I figured the original one sould be legal. That'd be the one on TheAirgun Centre. Straight from the source. Turns out the problem comes from the original being larger than a normal piece of paper. It did print out b&w a lot easier however. And its target picture is 8.86x12.50. My print out function on this pc says it will have to be resized to fit printer paper.
You can see what printing without resizing gives (color printout) versus sizing to fit (black and white printout).
I figured the original one sould be legal. That'd be the one on TheAirgun Centre. Straight from the source. Turns out the problem comes from the original being larger than a normal piece of paper. It did print out b&w a lot easier however. And its target picture is 8.86x12.50. My print out function on this pc says it will have to be resized to fit printer paper.
You can see what printing without resizing gives (color printout) versus sizing to fit (black and white printout).
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See post 7… I printed from the picture.
When I print it, those top targets are 0.45". The middle ones are 0.5" and the bottom are around 0.63". The inside rings (outside of the black ring around the red appears to be 0.2", 0.22", 0.275",
Just getting to post these. Also, I scored these the first day assuming staying inside the black outer edge, so I will also score them for not breaking the outer black ring also below.
All were shot with my usual CZ 457. It rained early, so the target board was a little wet. Only affected one card, which has some wonky holes in a few places. Otherwise, a good target board and card stock help your target have clean holes.
First pic is just them all together, so you can ignore it.
#1 - Score says 34 outer edge scoring (but missed counting a duck on the top row. With outer edge scoring, it would be a 40 outer edge. Inner edge scoring would be 31, after taking targets 1,3,4 lose double points.
#2 - 37 outer edge, 35 inner edge. Target 2 on row 2 is the only target to lose double points.
#3 - 35 outer edge, 32 inner edge. Target 4 on row 1 would lose double points.
#4 - 42 outer edge, 35 inner edge. Targets 1 on top row and 1 and 2 on row 2 lose double points.
It does suck that there are so many versions being used. I printed the one that was posted in this thread first.
All were shot with my usual CZ 457. It rained early, so the target board was a little wet. Only affected one card, which has some wonky holes in a few places. Otherwise, a good target board and card stock help your target have clean holes.
First pic is just them all together, so you can ignore it.
#1 - Score says 34 outer edge scoring (but missed counting a duck on the top row. With outer edge scoring, it would be a 40 outer edge. Inner edge scoring would be 31, after taking targets 1,3,4 lose double points.
#2 - 37 outer edge, 35 inner edge. Target 2 on row 2 is the only target to lose double points.
#3 - 35 outer edge, 32 inner edge. Target 4 on row 1 would lose double points.
#4 - 42 outer edge, 35 inner edge. Targets 1 on top row and 1 and 2 on row 2 lose double points.
It does suck that there are so many versions being used. I printed the one that was posted in this thread first.
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It seems like we have a bunch of different targets out there. I don't remember having so many issues with sizing before this target and it’s a shame cause I really like it and it’s fun to shoot without dumping too many rounds per target.
I feel bad about the sizing issue. Smokey has posted the size he is shooting. If we can all shoot similar targets, then we can get some competition going for July. All mine are smaller, so I will reprint, trying to get a match. .45 top, .50 middle and .63 bottom. By the way Smok3y, nice shooting!
Litl_Red
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I believe some print routines adjust the subject "picture" to fit the paper size loaded in our printers. Adjusting produces the small targets. The "picture" from AirGun is oversized both in height and width. So when we try to copy it onto 8.5x11 paper our copier's print routine either asks to "adjust to fit" or just does it automatically. And that shrinks the print to fit the smaller paper.
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So let me know if this sounds stupid:
Since it seems like we are working with different sized targets except Smokey and I, how about I mail you guys a copy of the target I have. If you just make copies of it it should not resize it. I could get all your addresses and mail you a copy.
We can then make this run a few extra weeks or shoot this one for August too. I guess smokey and I wouldnt have to reshoot.
Since it seems like we are working with different sized targets except Smokey and I, how about I mail you guys a copy of the target I have. If you just make copies of it it should not resize it. I could get all your addresses and mail you a copy.
We can then make this run a few extra weeks or shoot this one for August too. I guess smokey and I wouldnt have to reshoot.
I’m up for extending too. I do like that it has very few shots. Hopefully, I can get back out in a couple weeks and shoot more.
When I get back to a computer, I’ll update the pics so the new scores from my post are on the pictures to make it easier to follow.
I printed mine from Microsoft Photos. Printers to a Brother printer chose Photo size = Full Size, normal page margins, and Fill page.
When I get back to a computer, I’ll update the pics so the new scores from my post are on the pictures to make it easier to follow.
I printed mine from Microsoft Photos. Printers to a Brother printer chose Photo size = Full Size, normal page margins, and Fill page.
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Ok Shooters, we are going to extend this target through August since we have had such issues with sizing.
Please pm me with you name and address if you are not able to print the correct size and I will send you a correct sized target that you can copy. Correct size should be top target 0.45". The middle ones are 0.5" and the bottom are around 0.63". The inside rings (outside of the black ring around the red appears to be 0.2", 0.22", 0.275”.
If your target is not about that size then please do not post. Right now I think @Smok3y and I are the only ones with correct size.
@Smok3y, take a look at your posted targets and rescore if need be. Double points are only counted if the black line was not broken.
Please pm me with you name and address if you are not able to print the correct size and I will send you a correct sized target that you can copy. Correct size should be top target 0.45". The middle ones are 0.5" and the bottom are around 0.63". The inside rings (outside of the black ring around the red appears to be 0.2", 0.22", 0.275”.
If your target is not about that size then please do not post. Right now I think @Smok3y and I are the only ones with correct size.
@Smok3y, take a look at your posted targets and rescore if need be. Double points are only counted if the black line was not broken.
I will update the scores on those pics. For now the new scores are at least in the body of the message, but I will clean it up.
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I'm probably not going to get this done this month. New puppy has my attention trying to get her to potty on target this month.
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We will be shooting this target till end of August now. PM me your address info and I will send you a target if yours is not printing at the correct size.
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So I was able to get out yesterday for a bit. Was actually testing some SK Semi auto and had pretty good results while testing. Decided to throw up a few targets to see how I would do. I think I figured out that my scope is maybe a little too forward and that I don’t have the same cheek weld each time.
For an example I will post a target from yesterday. I shot a few rounds off this target at a sticker to make sure I was on and then shot lower left duck. Without moving off my gun I dropped the mag and put in a fresh 5 rounds. I then had to come off my gun to reload a mag and then try to get back to same position on rifle. This is when I missed middle right duck and then the top 2 on top. I put a new mag in readjusted and shot at sticker which I then hit dead on and then I shot last 3 ducks.
I feel if I had a 15 round mag and never had to reposition I would have not missed at all.
I just moved my scope back a little and will be interested to see if this does anything. Hats off to you all who can get the same cheek weld every time.
For an example I will post a target from yesterday. I shot a few rounds off this target at a sticker to make sure I was on and then shot lower left duck. Without moving off my gun I dropped the mag and put in a fresh 5 rounds. I then had to come off my gun to reload a mag and then try to get back to same position on rifle. This is when I missed middle right duck and then the top 2 on top. I put a new mag in readjusted and shot at sticker which I then hit dead on and then I shot last 3 ducks.
I feel if I had a 15 round mag and never had to reposition I would have not missed at all.
I just moved my scope back a little and will be interested to see if this does anything. Hats off to you all who can get the same cheek weld every time.
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I put a riser on my stock in a specific spot. The rear edge of it wedges into my face where my jaw hinges on my skull. It's totally repeatable. You should try something like that...maybe wrap the comb with an elastic bandage and put a cotton ball under it to create a tactile point of reference.
Litl_Red
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pretty quiet around here....
Target size is always going to be a bit of a problem as long as there are pc paint programs with resizing functionality and printers that adjust the copies to fit paper size.
One way to deal with the problem is to use something like the transparent ruler in my attached example. The ruler is positioned over the top of the "official" target that's being used in the postal match. Then the competitors can easily check after printing to see if they're printing valid targets. Those clear rulers are very cheap and very easy to find.
Look closely at the top of the target in the picture. That target was copied onto 8.5" X 11" size paper. It shows the paper is 8.5" wide. Anyone printing targets from the forum can easily see if their copying setup is producing valid targets by measuring them.
But truth is, postal matches have relied on honesty for decades.
Target size is always going to be a bit of a problem as long as there are pc paint programs with resizing functionality and printers that adjust the copies to fit paper size.
One way to deal with the problem is to use something like the transparent ruler in my attached example. The ruler is positioned over the top of the "official" target that's being used in the postal match. Then the competitors can easily check after printing to see if they're printing valid targets. Those clear rulers are very cheap and very easy to find.
Look closely at the top of the target in the picture. That target was copied onto 8.5" X 11" size paper. It shows the paper is 8.5" wide. Anyone printing targets from the forum can easily see if their copying setup is producing valid targets by measuring them.
But truth is, postal matches have relied on honesty for decades.
Litl_Red
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As long as these matches use 8.5x11 paper, AND the picture of our targets show the entire target (all 4 corners show in the picture), the matches oughta be good enough.
you could request everyone to take the pictures with the ruler on the target, but getting the 4 corners in the entry picture oughta be good enough.
you could request everyone to take the pictures with the ruler on the target, but getting the 4 corners in the entry picture oughta be good enough.
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Thanks It was a surprise during a session to see how a brick of E.Team suited my Cooper and Sako. The Orange/581/Hart was going to shoot a control group or two. It hadn't seen any E.Team ever. After the first shot, I realized that fact screwed the control group value. BTW, that rifle punched a "World Record" IR50-50 target many many years ago. So I wasn't paying attention to score.
Notice how the border of the printing on that target is uniform all around. No real need of the ruler when the ink makes borders all around and the picture of the pictured target being entered shows all 4 corners of the paper. However, it'd be really nice if our target choice did have a known measure pictured.
Notice how the border of the printing on that target is uniform all around. No real need of the ruler when the ink makes borders all around and the picture of the pictured target being entered shows all 4 corners of the paper. However, it'd be really nice if our target choice did have a known measure pictured.
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So I tried this target today. I must be having a bad day, because I didn't do well on the "diabolical ducks". Anyway I will try and make a comeback another day. Tough little target.
Just got back from Maine. Had a chance to get over to CCG in Asheboro today. Good thing the bench was shaded. I shot a couple ducks. Posting my best score at 39 points. Had a couple at 36. May give it one more run before the end of the month. Trying to break into 40's.
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Well unless we have a late poster it seems @Litl_Red has won again. Congrats and this time he can pick the target.
I actually liked the duck target but the sizing thing just put a damper on the whole thing.
I will start a new thread tomorrow so keep an eye out for it.
@Litl_Red will be picking the target but I am going to throw in a twist that should make some shooters uncomfortable.
I actually liked the duck target but the sizing thing just put a damper on the whole thing.
I will start a new thread tomorrow so keep an eye out for it.
@Litl_Red will be picking the target but I am going to throw in a twist that should make some shooters uncomfortable.