Las Vegas PD gunfight footage

Great video and excellent example of police doing their job through and through. How many other people would switch from defending their lives to trying to save that person's life in a matter of seconds?

These guys deserve some sort of award/recognition for being model officers (minus the language) in the heat of the moment. They even risk their own safety by working on this guy without gloves (F that!).
 
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Wow.

The thing that really caught my attention is how much trouble he had applying the CAT with blood on his hands.
What caught my attention was how much blood the guy was losing and how fast it was flowing. If he lived through that, he's lucky as heck. He probably only had a minute or two left. Definitely not enough time for EMT to arrive. I've seen too many videos where the officers stand around waiting for EMT when the shootee lays bleeding. Good on the officer.
 
I gotta agree what shocked me the most was that they just jumped right in no gloves nothing, covered in that guys blood. Combat and service is one thing but damn idk if I'd go that far for someone that was trying to kill me and could now give me some lifelong disease.
 
Very interesting video....

As a civilian, if I was involved in a shooting, there is no way I would be helping the guy or guys.
That's where I am, no way in hell would I help someone who was just trying to kill me!
 
Shot 19 times? While running? Those two officers are good shots. That's gonna leave some scars.
 
Guessing he didn't make it. Lots of blood loss and took (from what I can tell) 1 directly in the chest. You can see the hole on his back.
 
The officer will probably have his ass chewed (and damn well should) for not following the universal blood borne pathogens SOPs, by not using his PPE.
 
What caught my attention was how much blood the guy was losing and how fast it was flowing. If he lived through that, he's lucky as heck. He probably only had a minute or two left. Definitely not enough time for EMT to arrive. I've seen too many videos where the officers stand around waiting for EMT when the shootee lays bleeding. Good on the officer.

Yeah he was gushing, when they pan to his leak it looks like an open tap. They definitely did their job there, he's lucky he didn't pay the price for being that dumb.
 
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Awesome job by the officers, they definitely went above and beyond giving aid especially without PPE. A tourniquet carried on the ankle leads me to believe that was his personal gear.

I've never seen that before but that's not a bad idea. If you were laying down, say from a gunshot, it wouldn't ever be stuck under you.
 
He had some issues with the CAT application it looked like but he applied it fairly rapidly and did s good job.
 
That is a very good video of TK application to learn from.

1) It was the personal TK from the officer. A lot of them wear them around their ankle.

2) one of the "mistakes" the officer made was to "unthread" the TK from the buckle. This is a real pain in the ass. We dont teach doing that ever, exactly for this reason. Did you see how much time was lost trying to "thread" the buckle under duress? Its almost impossible, If you look at the TK, the buckle has two holes. The two holes are used to thread the strap through so it will not slip when you pull it tight, or loosen post-application. Most people during an event like that will only use one hole in the buckle, which is incorrect. You can get away with it on an arm , but a leg, with the amount of muscle mass, will/could pull the velcro loose and lose the desired affect.

3) to accomplish application while the buckle it still threaded, you usually slip it over the limb affected from the end, and slide up. This can be complicated by baggy clothing or pants of any sort. Ideally, you would strip/cut away as much clothing as you could …again, that is a case by case/situational thing. The officers carry a TK four their use, and don't usually have trauma shears , and clearly gloves were an afterthought.

4) Several of you remarked about how much blood there was. That guy would have been unconscious in another minute, and bled out in two. It is a very clear representation of how fast you can bleed out. Granted he had several critical GSW's, but that arterial leg wound was what was killing him the fastest. He would have been dead, or would die from being so hypertensive and loosing that much of his own blood by the time EMS got there. A common misconception is that we will just transfuse him u[on getting to the hospital and he will be fine. Thats not really the case. Even getting blood products on board, and of the correct typing , isn't a guarantee. I gave a gentleman 7 pts of blood from an accident scene, and he still passed, even though we kept his pressure up. You always want to save as much of their own blood as possible.

5) You also see how it took two officers to "get it right". I think this is from several issues. One, they were under duress. A lot of it. They had the forethought of the TK, but them, under that much stress, fine motor skills/clear thinking go out the window. The second thing is training. Its great that we carry first aid equipment with us, but the amount of training you get plays a big part on the efficacy of the equipment. The odds of you actually deploying a TK in the field is extremely low. Therefore the amount of time spent training is very low. In EMS we see this as being a high acuity skill , with little to no ability to actually practice it….which makes it an extremely high risk skill to expect good results from. Much like placing an intubation (breathing) tube.

6) And don't forget you can use more than one TK if you aren't getting desired results.

I think it was great they did that. It did show they did what they had to do, then re-geared in their heads once the threat was over to begin tx.

That man might die, but he wont die from the leg wound bleeding out anymore. Or, from lack of trying to help him. They went above and beyond.

Now where is the hand sanitizer?
 
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Wow.

The thing that really caught my attention is how much trouble he had applying the CAT with blood on his hands.

That's why you preload the CAT so you don't have to feed the strap when time counts

Edit Sneaky beat me to it while I was typing.

And this dude needed gloves

@Sneakymedic i was under the impression that the second hole of the buckle could be bypassed if more slack was needed (really large leg, etc). I've always used them with both portions threaded but that was just something lingering in my brain from those days
 
4) Several of you remarked about how much blood there was. That guy would have been unconscious in another minute, and bled out in two. It is a very clear representation of how fast you can bleed out. Granted he had several critical GSW's, but that arterial leg wound was what was killing him the fastest.

But we are supposed to shoot them in the leg, right? :rolleyes:
 
Here are my thoughts, solely on the application of the tourniquet.

From my viewpoint, once the application of deadly force has to be applied (to end the threat) I am not of the mind that I then need to attempt to save your life, unless I feel interrogating you is vital for some reason.

But I'm also not a cop or a trained first responder. I understand that the rules apply to them a little differently. I'm not sure of how LVPD designates their officers but if they are trained for that then they have a duty to provide first aid to the best of their ability.

Failure to do so could be viewed, not nearly as obtuse obviously, but similarly to one of us waking over and administering a kill shot.

But I would have had a hard time not fumbling with my rubber gloves first, accidentally tearing them and asking for another officers kit. Just sayin.
 
@Sneakymedic i was under the impression that the second hole of the buckle could be bypassed if more slack was needed (really large leg, etc). I've always used them with both portions threaded but that was just something lingering in my brain from those days

Yes, you are correct!
 
Here are my thoughts, solely on the application of the tourniquet.

From my viewpoint, once the application of deadly force has to be applied (to end the threat) I am not of the mind that I then need to attempt to save your life, unless I feel interrogating you is vital for some reason.

But I'm also not a cop or a trained first responder. I understand that the rules apply to them a little differently. I'm not sure of how LVPD designates their officers but if they are trained for that then they have a duty to provide first aid to the best of their ability.

Failure to do so could be viewed, not nearly as obtuse obviously, but similarly to one of us waking over and administering a kill shot.

But I would have had a hard time not fumbling with my rubber gloves first, accidentally tearing them and asking for another officers kit. Just sayin.

I think this is an excellent post in the discussion of where initial training came from. Chadamn is a Marine, and not trained initially by a civilian group. Whereas the PD/LEO is usually civillian trained. You also see this where SWAT has been instituting a medical professionals in their teams. For self service to take care of officers, and to take care of potential liability after a raid. Also the same civilian group that appeases the "muckity mucks" with "Police Rescue Unit" on the side of the big opposing Bearcat. It's all about what you want your public presence to appear like.

If you come into my house, Id have a hard time applying a TK after you just broke and entered.
 
A federal legal precedent has been set that an officer is under no obligation to drop everything and apply aid to an individual who has been wounded/injured during the commission of a felony. Yet this is exactly what the officers did. The officer's only priorities are the securing of the offender, providing for public safety/rendering aid to victims, officers, then to offenders, but only if (PPE is used and such actions don't conflict with public safety and controlling the incident)) and preserving the crime/incident scene.

Also, a legal precedent has been set for an agency not being required to cover officers under worker's comp who have not complied with the universal precautions, including the proper employment of PPEs regarding blood borne pathogen exposure.

Rather than losing all composure and tunnel visioning on the wounded offender, where they lost all visual and physical control of the incident scene (remember his female accomplice, although wounded/injured was still not under control), the scene should have been properly secured as much as possible given the manpower available.

After securing the scene, the proper actions to have been performed would have been to:

Place mechanical restraints on all offenders and unknowns.
Call-in location & status of scene, to include request for EMS and Patrol Supervisor(s) to report to scene
Keep all under direct visual observation, in order to keep control of the scene and preserve the scene for investigation.
Then and only then, apply aid to offender(s) but only if proper UP to BBPE and use of PPE SOPs are followed and only so long as it doesn't take away from the aforementioned priorities, chief amongst being ensuring public safety by properly securing the scene.
Also, why rush to use the T on the violent offender w/o first checking/verifying to see if a member of the public may be in need of it, or another officer.

Then as part of the deactivation/debrief phase of the incident, teams of officers canvas the area to check if the public has been injured/wounded during the incident.(Remember there has been a bucket load of lead flying around and a vehicle pursuit that may have caused injuries.)
 
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The accompanying article is interesting...

"According to officers, Chafoya is a suspect in another shooting that happened Sunday. Police say Chafoya was in the stolen car when he shot a man riding a bicycle."


Cops shot him a day later. Talk about karma. He and his female accomplice are still in the hospital, it sounds like. Both in stable condition.
 
A federal legal precedent has been set that an officer is under no obligation to drop everything and apply aid to an individual who has been wounded/injured during the commission of a felony. This is exactly what the officers did. The officer's only priorities are the securing of the offender, providing for public safety/rendering aid to victims, then to offenders, if (PPE is used and such actions don't conflict with public safety and controlling the incident)) and preserving the crime/incident scene.

Also, a legal precedent has been set for an agency not being required to cover officers under worker's comp who have not complied with the universal precautions, including the proper employment of PPEs regarding blood borne pathogen exposure.

I make this comment with all due respect.

I'm sure you're right...there undoubtedly IS such a precedent. It's a great example of some pinhead bureaucrat putting front line cops in an un-winnable situation. If they had done the "right" thing according to those leading from the rear, the guy would have died, videos would be on the news showing how heartless and uncaring cops are. The officer might be disciplined and SJW's would be out burning their bras and skinny jeans in protest.

So the officer does the human thing. Helps a guy who is dying who just tried to shoot him and some donk sitting at a desk is going to ride his a$$ for not following Procedure 4.3.21 section B : " How to Avoid Incurring Insurance Risks for the City Cops Health Care Plan".

Thankfully he should get enough air cover from that video to prevent the REMF's from screwing him for doing the right thing.
 
Out of all that you only focused on the health care aspect? Wow..... go back and read it again, reading comprehension is your friend.

The officers should have their asses chewed, because they lost control of the scene and improperly exposed themselves to blood borne pathogens, thus putting the public and themselves in jeopardy. They failed to don their PPEs.....These offenders live a high-risk lifestyle in every sense of the phrase.....Think of that for a second.....Now what may have those two "sensitive, humane officers" exposed themselves and their families to?

Legal precedents are a an umbrella policy, they (and the SOPs/SOGs they drive) protect the public (from waste fraud and abuse) the officers (in many ways, one way in particular is to shield them from being required to act w/o PPEs or contrary to public safety in the pursuit of/or engagement with an offender in a way that may bring more harm to the public) and the offenders (by re-enforcing and clarifying the protections under the bill of rights, remember Miranda?) These are but a very few ways Legal Precedents, GS, SOP & SOGs cover all involved.
 
Out of all that you only focused on the health care aspect? Wow..... go back and read it again, reading comprehension is your friend.

The officers should have their asses chewed, because they lost control of the scene and improperly exposed themselves to blood borne pathogens, thus putting the public and themselves in jeopardy. They failed to don their PPEs.....These offenders live a high-risk lifestyle in every sense of the phrase.....Think of that for a second.....Now what may have those two "sensitive, humane officers" exposed themselves and their families to?

Legal precedents are a an umbrella policy, they (and the SOPs/SOGs they drive) protect the public (from waste fraud and abuse) the officers (in many ways, one way in particular is to shield them from being required to act w/o PPEs or contrary to public safety in the pursuit of/or engagement with an offender in a way that may bring more harm to the public) and the offenders (by re-enforcing and clarifying the protections under the bill of rights, remember Miranda?) These are but a very few ways Legal Precedents, GS, SOP & SOGs cover all involved.

You expect them to get off that scene without exposure? Seriously? I bet the EMT's that dealt with him had to change clothes. I know paramedics that have worked scenes with approved PPE and had to throw clothes away and shower to get the blood off. A pair of gloves would be nice, but woefully under protective with that bleed.
 
I would have assumed the one officer had already cuffed the female. He was giving commands to her when the to her officer was working with the male. The officer cuffed the individual bleeding out before he went to the treatment phase. I also would have assumed that the other officer did the same, due to the time it took him to get over to help with his partner.

Two people exited the car. One was shot multiple times, and handcuffed, the girl ( assumed) was held at gun point and cuffed. To me it seemed the scene was under control.

I agree with the blood issue. Again... It's how you train. We practice on out buddies in class in our self aid buddy aid course.... We don't wear gloves, and there is no blood. And we don't train right after we shoot the shit out of someone. And from when he started to when he finished, there was monumentally more blood. Hence the issue to be quick. Cuffs were on, he was grabbing immediately for his TK.
 
Out of all that you only focused on the health care aspect? Wow..... go back and read it again, reading comprehension is your friend.

The officers should have their asses chewed, because they lost control of the scene and improperly exposed themselves to blood borne pathogens, thus putting the public and themselves in jeopardy. They failed to don their PPEs.....These offenders live a high-risk lifestyle in every sense of the phrase.....Think of that for a second.....Now what may have those two "sensitive, humane officers" exposed themselves and their families to?

Legal precedents are a an umbrella policy, they (and the SOPs/SOGs they drive) protect the public (from waste fraud and abuse) the officers (in many ways, one way in particular is to shield them from being required to act w/o PPEs or contrary to public safety in the pursuit of/or engagement with an offender in a way that may bring more harm to the public) and the offenders (by re-enforcing and clarifying the protections under the bill of rights, remember Miranda?) These are but a very few ways Legal Precedents, GS, SOP & SOGs cover all involved.

Watching the whole video which included at least two body cams, it looked like there was 4-5 officers on scene. It appears they controlled the suspect and his partner (who was injured as well.)

As far as cuffing the other bystander, who we can safely assume is the home owner, I don't think that would have gone well if they were the independently minded type.
 
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You expect them to get off that scene without exposure? Seriously? I bet the EMT's that dealt with him had to change clothes. I know paramedics that have worked scenes with approved PPE and had to throw clothes away and shower to get the blood off. A pair of gloves would be nice, but woefully under protective with that bleed.

I never said they would be exposure free, but yes (for at least the third time), THEY NEEDLESSLY EXPOSED THEMSELVES(and by extension, their loved ones, and for what?) AND DID NOT SECURE THE SCENE.
....I swear the average American's reading comp is just poor, either that or we're intellectually lazy, most likely the latter.
You're not even trying to think through this...
How should I try to articulate this to Fat, Lazy Americans? Draw pictures, tweet in 140 character or less due to the piss-poor, Goldfish-like attention spans or put it into a video game?

I've said all I'm going to in this thread. I should have known better.
 
I never said they would be exposure free, but yes (for at least the third time), THEY NEEDLESSLY EXPOSED THEMSELVES(and by extension, their loved ones, and for what?) AND DID NOT SECURE THE SCENE.
....I swear the average American's reading comp is just poor, either that or we're intellectually lazy, most likely the latter.
You're not even trying to think through this...
How should I try to articulate this to Fat, Lazy Americans? Draw pictures, tweet in 140 character or less due to the piss-poor, Goldfish-like attention spans or put it into a video game?

I've said all I'm going to in this thread. I should have known better.

No need in the put downs. As a kingsman your supposed to be above it. Plus Cheif Jason is one of the very good and thoughtful people we have on this forum.
 
I never said they would be exposure free, but yes (for at least the third time), THEY NEEDLESSLY EXPOSED THEMSELVES(and by extension, their loved ones, and for what?) AND DID NOT SECURE THE SCENE.
....I swear the average American's reading comp is just poor, either that or we're intellectually lazy, most likely the latter.
You're not even trying to think through this...
How should I try to articulate this to Fat, Lazy Americans? Draw pictures, tweet in 140 character or less due to the piss-poor, Goldfish-like attention spans or put it into a video game?

I've said all I'm going to in this thread. I should have known better.

One of them has a skinned up knee, and bam, there you are. Exposed because you are kneeling in his blood. While I agree he should have gloved up, I also understand that it's not just about gloves. They are getting exposed period. The second they chose to act. You can't get away from it there.

And you can piss off with your insults and reading comprehension garbage after spewing this.

"The officers should have their asses chewed, because they lost control of the scene and improperly exposed themselves to blood borne pathogens, thus putting the public and themselves in jeopardy. They failed to don their PPEs....."

PPE? Gloves? On that scene? Gonna take more than gloves, like I said. But hey, if gloves keep you in regs. Or keep you covered under workers comp. Which seems to be your main point. Which completely ignores the total reality of that scene. The guys saved the dudes life, even if the dude is an idiot, and you get hung up on the regulations. Interesting. I've thought through the scene. Apparently all you are worried about is a book.
 
I never said they would be exposure free, but yes (for at least the third time), THEY NEEDLESSLY EXPOSED THEMSELVES(and by extension, their loved ones, and for what?) AND DID NOT SECURE THE SCENE.
....I swear the average American's reading comp is just poor, either that or we're intellectually lazy, most likely the latter.
You're not even trying to think through this...
How should I try to articulate this to Fat, Lazy Americans? Draw pictures, tweet in 140 character or less due to the piss-poor, Goldfish-like attention spans or put it into a video game?

I've said all I'm going to in this thread. I should have known better.

Where is it you're from?
 
You expect them to get off that scene without exposure? Seriously? I bet the EMT's that dealt with him had to change clothes. I know paramedics that have worked scenes with approved PPE and had to throw clothes away and shower to get the blood off. A pair of gloves would be nice, but woefully under protective with that bleed.

I can second this I had a GsW recently that was very clean with several wounds, and I have had a guy shot with a 22 that nicked an artery and bleed everywhere!!!
 
One of them has a skinned up knee, and bam, there you are. Exposed because you are kneeling in his blood. While I agree he should have gloved up, I also understand that it's not just about gloves. They are getting exposed period. The second they chose to act. You can't get away from it there.

And you can piss off with your insults and reading comprehension garbage after spewing this.

"The officers should have their asses chewed, because they lost control of the scene and improperly exposed themselves to blood borne pathogens, thus putting the public and themselves in jeopardy. They failed to don their PPEs....."

PPE? Gloves? On that scene? Gonna take more than gloves, like I said. But hey, if gloves keep you in regs. Or keep you covered under workers comp. Which seems to be your main point. Which completely ignores the total reality of that scene. The guys saved the dudes life, even if the dude is an idiot, and you get hung up on the regulations. Interesting. I've thought through the scene. Apparently all you are worried about is a book.
If the officers were exposed to something nasty guess who gets the bill for their treatment, possibly for life?

Also the officer was probably a medic or at least had a strong interest in emergency medicine cause most cops wouldn't even carry the equipment to help.
 
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