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Las Vegas PD gunfight footage
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and you are a beautiful man.
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Pretty....not beautiful...
You arent the boss of me, dont put words in my mouth. Or anything else, for that matter.
If I said beautiful, its what I meant. And if you continue to sass me, I will come up there and secure YOUR scene, and not get BBP all over. just sayin.
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Lmao
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I'm fat, and lazy sometimes. But there is a difference between having an intelligent discussion and slinging insults. The latter of which is gonna be frowned upon, by members in good standing as well as staff, especially to someone who did nothing to provoke shitty attitudes. Take a break
Out of all that you focused only on the insurance aspect?
You post a bunch of hypotheticals. The reality is the perp would have died while pondering the "what if". What would be the impact to his family if he carried a guys death around?
I really don't give a rats ass about a cop shooting perp, personally.
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You forgot crippled. Just an fyi
The insurance company.
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well said. I had to bite muh tongue a little.
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Yes this has me sorely vexed. It is messing with my street cred. Old members should have seniority in d!¢kheadery.
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This is how I feel:
But just your mouth...
I think he's flirting with you. He is retired Navy….guess that still counts in their book.
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Allllll righty, now....
Methinks the glove issue was a moot point for the guy who did the handcuffing. He was already exposed at that time.
One of the things people fail to understand is that the skin is a remarkably efficient barrier to infection, provided it's "undamaged"...meaning no open sores, cuts, abrasions, etc.
And even so, the skin's secondary defense, like scabs as an example, is also biologically designed to be a barrier to infection.
Then there's the issue with the body's own immune system, especially in healthy individuals.
And the fact that the risk of infection starts low with low quantities of infectious agents entering the system and increases as the amounts of infectious agents increases.
In the real world, infections do not automatically take place with the slightest exposure, like in John Carpenter's The Thing. If this were the case, there wouldn't be a doctor, nurse, nurse's aid, EMT, or school nurse who wouldn't be infected with something bad.
NOW, THAT SAID...
This isn't to say the risk isn't there. Nor that increasing one's exposure doesn't also increase one's risk. Because that's patently false.
Life is a balance of risks every day, and we each have to make our own choices based on our understanding of those risks and the potential benefits to be gained. I'm sure the officer knew and understood those risks when he made his decisions to act the way he did. I, for one, will not gainsay a good man for that.
I rather suspect the officers involved in encounters like this, where the potential for biohazard exposure exists, would be checked and monitored medically. Perhaps someone here in the field can speak to that.
AS FOR SECURING THE SCENE...the officers DID secure the scene and maintain control. The male suspect was secured and at least briefly checked to be sure no weapons were within his reach. And, with the rate of bleed out, he was becoming less and less a threat with every passing second. The lady suspect was covered by at least one other officer at the beginning, more to follow as other officers arrived.
Us saying we would or would not act the same is circumstantial on our own beliefs and situations. I'm not trained in securing a person...which police officers will tell you is one of the most dangerous parts of police involvement because it requires close bodily proximity and contact with a potentially violent person. I rather suspect few other CFF members, outside of those with the LEO and military training in this, can boast such expertise. Even with a partner, it's dangerous. I, for one, will not risk placing myself or my family in danger if three is no way to secure the scene sufficiently to render first aid. If, somehow, the scene WERE to be secured, then I'd likely render assistance. But this is ONLY predicated on my personal moral fundament. Either way, I'm under no LEGAL obligation to do so.
Methinks the glove issue was a moot point for the guy who did the handcuffing. He was already exposed at that time.
One of the things people fail to understand is that the skin is a remarkably efficient barrier to infection, provided it's "undamaged"...meaning no open sores, cuts, abrasions, etc.
And even so, the skin's secondary defense, like scabs as an example, is also biologically designed to be a barrier to infection.
Then there's the issue with the body's own immune system, especially in healthy individuals.
And the fact that the risk of infection starts low with low quantities of infectious agents entering the system and increases as the amounts of infectious agents increases.
In the real world, infections do not automatically take place with the slightest exposure, like in John Carpenter's The Thing. If this were the case, there wouldn't be a doctor, nurse, nurse's aid, EMT, or school nurse who wouldn't be infected with something bad.
NOW, THAT SAID...
This isn't to say the risk isn't there. Nor that increasing one's exposure doesn't also increase one's risk. Because that's patently false.
Life is a balance of risks every day, and we each have to make our own choices based on our understanding of those risks and the potential benefits to be gained. I'm sure the officer knew and understood those risks when he made his decisions to act the way he did. I, for one, will not gainsay a good man for that.
I rather suspect the officers involved in encounters like this, where the potential for biohazard exposure exists, would be checked and monitored medically. Perhaps someone here in the field can speak to that.
AS FOR SECURING THE SCENE...the officers DID secure the scene and maintain control. The male suspect was secured and at least briefly checked to be sure no weapons were within his reach. And, with the rate of bleed out, he was becoming less and less a threat with every passing second. The lady suspect was covered by at least one other officer at the beginning, more to follow as other officers arrived.
Us saying we would or would not act the same is circumstantial on our own beliefs and situations. I'm not trained in securing a person...which police officers will tell you is one of the most dangerous parts of police involvement because it requires close bodily proximity and contact with a potentially violent person. I rather suspect few other CFF members, outside of those with the LEO and military training in this, can boast such expertise. Even with a partner, it's dangerous. I, for one, will not risk placing myself or my family in danger if three is no way to secure the scene sufficiently to render first aid. If, somehow, the scene WERE to be secured, then I'd likely render assistance. But this is ONLY predicated on my personal moral fundament. Either way, I'm under no LEGAL obligation to do so.
Ahhh...but how did you escape Chad's dungeon afterwards?
All it means is I'm secure in my own sexuality. You can't spend 20 years in the Navy as a submariner without being sexually secure, if only because lily-livered, spineless saps with no such experience insist on pushing their own insecurities on you through endless jokes centered around their own fears and insecurities.
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Was wondering the same....
They come right in, pull up a chair and immediately start talking cash junk.
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Sounds like me when I first wandered into Fuddneck Shooters Forum Club.
Are you no longer a threat because you are on the ground?
Never said he wasn't. Was responding to the comment on shooting him while running
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19 hits? no one needs that kind of firepower. i have on good authority from some of our legislators you only need between 7-10 .
or just get a shot gun....2 shells should be enough
or just get a shot gun....2 shells should be enough
Taxpayers? I'm not funding his, but I'm fine with the principle. Yes I want them to take precautions. But if they mess up in the heat of the moment a bit, or get infected anyway they should be taken care of. I've seen good people get screwed by workers comp on technicalities, that shouldn't happen to these guys. And the reality is, you can get exposed through eyes, nose, and mouth as easy or easier than through the hands. And having dressed my share of deer, I've come away with blood inside the gloves or covered from my wrist to elbow. Gloves are a great idea, but only do so much.
And he's certainly not scared of blood, trained or not.
Funniest thing about this thread though, the guys that give LEO a pretty tough time are taking up for these guys and the guys that defend LE the most here are all over their case. I find that interesting.
I hope you don't think I'm on their case here. Trying to save the guy IMO is noble as a grape, I was only pointing out one reason departments would discourage their personnel from diving into a pool of blood.
Most departments will not allow their officers to help push cars out of the road or change tires for the same reason. they don't want to have to pay for a lot of back surgeries and convalescence time.
This video is potentially a great training tool for LEO.
I did see an officer prior to them applying the Tourniquet over by the female that was gloving up. Then the two guys went to apply the Tourniquet to the male. They did not use gloves. That's also shows that he didn't just treat the guy and not have the female secured. Just pointing that bit of information out.
Workers Comp sucks and tries to get folks on technicalities, that's what they do.
I did see an officer prior to them applying the Tourniquet over by the female that was gloving up. Then the two guys went to apply the Tourniquet to the male. They did not use gloves. That's also shows that he didn't just treat the guy and not have the female secured. Just pointing that bit of information out.
Workers Comp sucks and tries to get folks on technicalities, that's what they do.
Chief you sir are correct. There are many ways to get infected in the dynamic field of The world in which they respond to.
Looks like the vast majority were put in him while he was a heap on the ground.
Define "Old members". Is that ones who have been here a long time or ones who were old when they got here? Lol
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Yes.
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