hlpressley
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Actually I don't. Relax, no need to get upset.Ok. You seem to have everything figured out. Carry on.
You're saying that if a rifle won't shoot well at 50 yards, it's going to shoot well at 200?
Actually I don't. Relax, no need to get upset.Ok. You seem to have everything figured out. Carry on.
Actually I don't. Relax, no need to get upset.
You're saying that if a rifle won't shoot well at 50 yards, it's going to shoot well at 200?
Definitely the load that shot .5" at 100.I'll answer your question, with a question.
If you had a custom rifle, say 30-06 that shot 1" 10 shot groups at 100yds with a certain load. You had another load that shot .5" 10 shot groups at 100yds.
Which load would you choose for 700yds and beyond?
Definitely the load that shot .5" at 100.
I certainly did not know that. I just assumed the .5" load would open up a little more at 700 but would still be better than a load that shot 1" at 100. Once again, it was an assumption based solely on what I would think would be common sense.Would you be shocked to learn you just left the best long range load in the discard pile? The half inch load wouldn't hit a 12" plate at 700, but the 1" load would print palm size groups at 1000yds and beyond. They both had low standard deviation too.
Great ammo at 50 is great ammo at 50, rarely anything more.
If you pick the best ammo or rifle at 50, and think through linear exterpolation you are good to go out to 200+, you are going to be very disappointed 99 times out of 100.
Don't fret about pissing me off, I've had MANY people treat me like a French internet model. There's a few people around here that can tell you whether I'm full of $#@+ or not. Ask them.
That same dynamic exist with centerfire as well.I certainly did not know that. I just assumed the .5" load would open up a little more at 700 but would still be better than a load that shot 1" at 100. Once again, it was an assumption based solely on what I would think would be common sense.
Just goes to show how new I really am to rifle shooting. Thanks for taking the time to explain and share your knowledge.
Clean the extractors and firing pin as well as the respective channels. Mine is doing the same thing and that's the fix that I've found to most frequently solve the issue. I have not tried it yet. Too busy trying to get a more expensive rifle to shoot...
Would you be shocked to learn you just left the best long range load in the discard pile? The half inch load wouldn't hit a 12" plate at 700, but the 1" load would print palm size groups at 1000yds and beyond. They both had low standard deviation too.
Great ammo at 50 is great ammo at 50, rarely anything more.
If you pick the best ammo or rifle at 50, and think through linear exterpolation you are good to go out to 200+, you are going to be very disappointed 99 times out of 100.
Don't fret about pissing me off, I've had MANY people treat me like a French internet model. There's a few people around here that can tell you whether I'm full of $#@+ or not. Ask them.
Are you talking about the spiral path, and the time it takes to stabilize the projectile?
I have seen, and heard of that, in centerfire but never thought about 22rf.
Physics don't care, I guess. Makes since to me.
What kind of optic are you guys using to shoot out to that kind of distance?
Do you think the Helos is worth the additional money when compared to the Argos? Assuming you have looked through both?I just switched to a 6-24X50 Athlon Helos FFP with the APLR2 MOA reticle. I had originally decided to buy an Athlon Argos, but my dumb ass started looking at them again online last Tuesday while I was gulping painkillers from some jaw surgery the day before. A lack of inhibition is not a good thing when shopping optics and I ended up deciding the Helos must be even better - and the rest is history. I like it so far. The glass is very good (for the price point) and it seems to track correctly in all directions. And, it has the Christmas tree and a lot of room for holdover in the reticle. I just need to figure out how to redneck a zero stop solution and I will be in business.
Do you think the Helos is worth the additional money when compared to the Argos? Assuming you have looked through both?
I can't tell anything about where they are made. Or really who makes them.
If the rain lets up I may try the Savage and CZ out to 100 this evening. Not sure my optic is ready for that but we will give it a go and post the results.
Thanks for the input from everyone.
If the rain lets up I may try the Savage and CZ out to 100 this evening. Not sure my optic is ready for that but we will give it a go and post the results.
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Thanks for the input from everyone.
It was a good rifle. I ended up selling it as I just prefer my Savage FV-SR in the Boyd's stock. Each time I took the two out the Savage was always as good as the CZ and sometimes better. Meanwhile the CZ never out performed the Savage.How do you like the CZ? I was thinking about getting the CZ 455 Varmint Thumbhole Fluted Barrel. Setting it up for 100 yards or more. Put a Harris Bi-pod on it and either Weaver or Vortex scope on it. That way I can leave my Anshutz just for 50 yard bench rest.
Agree with you, stupid me sold my Savage even though it outshot the CZ455 Tacticool thinking it HAD to be me ? Everyone said the CZ was better so I believed them. Years later, Im looking at score cards and realized that that my Savage still posted up better scores then the CZ did .Thats was using the same ammo that I spent many practice sessions testing with both rifles, ELey Black.It was a good rifle. I ended up selling it as I just prefer my Savage FV-SR in the Boyd's stock. Each time I took the two out the Savage was always as good as the CZ and sometimes better. Meanwhile the CZ never out performed the Savage.
Agree with you, stupid me sold my Savage even though it outshot the CZ455 Tacticool thinking it HAD to be me ? Everyone said the CZ was better so I believed them. Years later, Im looking at score cards and realized that that my Savage still posted up better scores then the CZ did .Thats was using the same ammo that I spent many practice sessions testing with both rifles, ELey Black.
Everyone else's results might vary from mine..
You have to understand something also, be prepared to spend a lot of money trying different expensive ammo to find what you like best. Then take that same bunch of ammo, have someone else load the weapon for you with at least 20 rounds each, then shoot again. Then compare results, might be surprised that result #1 is different then result # 2. Humans have a tendency to try harder when they think this one ammo is the best.Well I am starting to lean towards the Savage. Got to talk to a few people at the range yesterday and they agree with you guys. Savage is the way to go.
Thanks for the input guys.
You have to understand something also, be prepared to spend a lot of money trying different expensive ammo to find what you like best. Then take that same bunch of ammo, have someone else load the weapon for you with at least 20 rounds each, then shoot again. Then compare results, might be surprised that result #1 is different then result # 2. Humans have a tendency to try harder when they think this one ammo is the best.
If you really want to get stupid, make sure the bore and chamber are cleaned completely between testing and shoot about 20 rounds before testing because each ammo manufactor uses a different lube and not cleaning can skew your results.
Have I stressed enough that ammo is the key to a good shooting 22lr?
Scopes, Im not going to get into. But, just think, good magnification/thin cross hairs / repeatability of adjustments and no parallax. Google parallax if you need to.
Va Gents 97-5 X is a pretty impressive score using a sporter rifle.. Remembering back, Think the best I could do with either rifle was a 90 and a few more X's but they were just luck.
If I had to it all over again, and I think I will since now Im interested again. The Savage FV SR with the Boyds thumbhole stock/relieved where necessary and my Mueller scope..
Appreciate your response,, mine was more of a public service announcement to warn new comers that might choose to venture into this madness then anything..I already shoot expensive ammo in my Anschutz. Eley tenex, match and cheap Eley target. Since I do not shoot real competitions anymore I have not bought tenex in years. Still shoot Eley match and target. The Eley match is some good stuff. I will be checking out some of the different high velocity ammo including CCI, Wolf and Eley black box.
As far as glass I get the best that I can afford and if someone else is willing to foot the bill I will let them choose what glass I am going to get. Interesting note someone I use to shoot with years ago kept bragging about his $1500 scope and about six of us had a match and he lost. None of us had what I would call an expensive scope.
I screwed up a 455 when I removed the barrel to have it threaded. It went from sub MOA to. 1.5 to 2 at 100 yards. It took me a couple range days with the torque wrench to get the little booger shooting right again with the correct torques. Also after a clean the barrel it takes maybe 10-15 or so rounds to settle back down.
ETA: for real small groups mine like CCI Green (of course), Wolf Match Extra and Lapua Midas
Do you think the Helos is worth the additional money when compared to the Argos? Assuming you have looked through both?
What torque setting did you end up at? I pulled mine apart to open up the barrel channel a little more in some places but I don't have a torque screwdriver. It shoots great but I'd like to play with torque to see if I can get it shooting better