brooklyn redneck
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I stand to inherit an saginaw M1 carbine in rough shape . I noticed the serial # and other markings are worn away. any opinions out there ?
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73Chall
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Sorry for any loss of a dear one but, Congratulations … (?)
“Serial #’s worn away” is typically not a good thing, outside gangbanger circles … can you be a little (any) more specific?
Dare we even inquire about photos?
Here’s some good reading:
and also,
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“Serial #’s worn away” is typically not a good thing, outside gangbanger circles … can you be a little (any) more specific?
Dare we even inquire about photos?
Here’s some good reading:
and also,
M1 FAMILY-A little history of Saginaw (S.G.) and its carbines.
Saginaw (S.G.) -Main Manufacture and identification codes: "S.G." -Main plant location: Saginaw, Michigan. -Average Cost to Government per completed r
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No serial number is a bad thing. Regardless if found in your possession you will be held responsible.
73Chall
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While the suspense just keeps building, bigger and bigger ….
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Is the M1 Carbine a Good Self Defense Rifle?
The AR-15 is America's rifle with good reason, especially for self defense, but don't discount the M1 Carbine as a unique defensive rifle option.
Is the M1 Carbine a Good Self Defense Rifle? - Firearms News
The AR-15 is America's rifle with good reason, especially for self defense, but don't discount the M1 Carbine as a unique defensive rifle option.
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While y'all are waiting, how long would it take to wear the serial number off of a carbine, without mechanical help? Could it be done in 1 lifetime?
Not hardly. I bet it is under the rear sight. The serial number on my Quality Hardware made M1 carbine is impossible to make out, it is completely covered by the rear sight. The s.n. has restamped in front of the rear sight in the open when the weapon was overhauled.
If the number was actually ground off, you've got a problem.
Just wondering, what if the rifle was manufactured before serial numbers were required by law? Wasn't that 1968?
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I think a serial number has been a requirement on all U.S. military arms since the beginning of the 20th century if not before. And in any event, all U.S.G.I. carbines were serialized by the manufacturer, as were Garands, 1903's, etc. In fact, you can identify and date almost all Garands just by the serial number. Whole serial number blocks were assigned to the various manufacturers.
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I would agree with that. But my wandering mind is wondering how that transfers to the civilian world and the laws that apply there. I'm sure Uncle Sam would want to apply any and all laws they could, regardless of how relevant they may be.
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Was your question whether a person could legally remove the serial number from a firearm prior to 1968? If so, I misunderstood your original post to ask whether it was not manufactured have a serial number. If so, I also have no idea whether it could have been legally removed back then or not.
I once had an Eddystone 1917 that got surplused and sold overseas, and somewhere along the line, the speculation is that it got purchased and sent to some conflict or group in the middle east. In conjunction with it being sent to the middle east (perhaps by the CIA or other instigator to hide its origin or commerce channel), the U.S. maker's mark and serial number was ground off of the receiver. When it got purchased in a lot years later by the importer, they just electro-penciled a new serial number on it along with their import mark. It was a strange piece of history.
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Question was, if a serial number is removed from a firearm that was manufactured before serial numbers were required by law, is that a violation of current law? Pretty sure I know how it would go down in court, I'm just fantasizing.
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73Chall
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So, you stand to own two (2) Saginaw M1 carbines, then?
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I call Shenanigans...
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brooklyn redneck
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This would be my second M1 all the finishing is worn away at the back of the receiver . Definitely not under the sight. Thats why I have been hesitant to take possession. My Aunt told me her husband has had the gun for a long time. I did read the serial # can be recovered but i dont know if i want to get involved.The shenanigan comment makes sense so thats why i am gonna pass on this one
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brooklyn redneck
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No pics, the gun is not in my possession nor will I take possession . Thanks for everyone's input
M1 FAMILY-M1 Carbine Receiver NO Manufacture or Serial Number
I have a M1 Carbine that does not have a serial number or manufactures stamp. Is this common? All other parts are labeled as follows: Front sight stam
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M-1 Carbine/? Serial Number
Our family has 2 carbines that date to WW-II when my dad worked in the ballistics lab at Winchester in New Haven. No Serial Number on either.
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Looks like it's happened before innocently. Also there's a thread in the third one saying there wasn't a requirement for serial numbers back then. Maybe mixmaster?
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73Chall
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That would be smart on your part. Short of taking advantage of dropping it at one of those farcical, taxpayer-funded “Gun Buyback” Days,
- when it comes to possession (even inadvertently) of a firearm with the serial number removed, it’s not a matter of “if” but rather WHEN “the turd” is going to cost someone a helluva lot of attorneys fees AND bless them with a criminal. And that’s at THE LEAST!
Pretty apparent to these eyes that someone used a wire brush on an angle grinder to erase those numbers.
Pretty quick ticket to “Club Fed” for most of us anyway (depending upon who your Daddy is, of course!
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There are pictures for a different m1 Carbine. Haven't seen any for this one we're talking about, nor do I expect to see any.Pretty apparent to these eyes that someone used a wire brush on an angle grinder to erase those numbers.
Pretty quick ticket to “Club Fed” for most of us anyway (depending upon who your Daddy is, of course!
Curious now, on older guns there's often a statement like "most number match". So parts were numbered but replaced at one point.M1 FAMILY-M1 Carbine Receiver NO Manufacture or Serial Number
I have a M1 Carbine that does not have a serial number or manufactures stamp. Is this common? All other parts are labeled as follows: Front sight stam
M-1 Carbine/? Serial Number
Our family has 2 carbines that date to WW-II when my dad worked in the ballistics lab at Winchester in New Haven. No Serial Number on either.
Looks like it's happened before innocently. Also there's a thread in the third one saying there wasn't a requirement for serial numbers back then. Maybe mixmaster?
73Chall
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I’m pretty sure EVEN Hunter Biden would be smart enough to not be caught in the same vehicle as any firearm bearing plain sight visible toolmark evidence on it like the one in the attached photo …
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Most European countries serialized different parts. The Germans, for example, serialized a lot of parts on their weapons. They also had individualized waffenamts that were inspectors marks for a specific factory or maker. The U.S. did not go to that level - they only serialized the receiver. However, some parts did have batch numbers, like heat lots or drawing numbers that could date the parts. As a result, except in very rare documented cases, you cannot say a U.S. rifle is "original". You can only say it is "correct", if the parts on it align with the lots in use by that factory at the time the weapon was produced. Most were then re-arsenaled later in life with no thoughts of preserving originality, and their parts got scrambled as a result.
nbkky71
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Pictures would definitely help, but is it possible the serial number is just “faint” and difficult to read? The 1911 I received from the CMP is like that: lightly struck serial that was covered with parkerizing during an overhaul.
