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My family and I were stationed at USAFA out in Colorado during '83, 1,500 miles from home. We watched that championship game in '83 and were so excited our home team did the deed admirably. I still remember seeing Jimmy V running around the court like a madman looking for someone to hug. :D

When you are far from home, seeing the home team step up helps. A lot.
 
MacEntyre said:
In 1983, me wifey and I attended the last regular season game in Reynolds Coliseum, which they lost to Maryland. Then we and a group of family and friends watched every single game on TV, culminating with the National Championship game against Phi Slamma Jamma. Houston, with Olajuwan (only one dunk) and Clyde Drexler (1 of 5 FGs, 4 points), lost despite being heavy favorites.

It's funny to listen to the announcers trying hard not to recycle the quips and nick names from '83. It's great to see the heavy favorites fall!

Where PR is, there used to be a restaurant that served alcohol, even at breakfast.
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I love Reynolds. One of the best basketball venues, ever.

Houston in 83 was absolutely loaded with talent. I think 4 of the starting five went on to be NBA all-stars.
 
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Glocker said:
So, you a Tarheel or Duke fan?

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Neither. There’s just the facts. Teams that have more Grad transfers and have better NIL have better seasons these days. Hell, that Ryan guy on UNC is 25 years old.

Poor Calipari with his 18 year old stud Freshman have been getting their butt’s handed to them the last few years because they are playing grown ass men, not other kids.
 
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CZfool68 said:
Neither. There’s just the facts. Teams that have more Grad transfers and have better NIL have better seasons these days. Hell, that Ryan guy on UNC is 25 years old.

Poor Calipari with his 18 year old stud Freshman have been getting their butt’s handed to them the last few years because they are playing grown ass men, not other kids.
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No doubt NIL and the new transfer abilities are fundamentally changing college sports. It'll be exciting to see what happens
 
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I've thought about it for a while now and have come to the conclusion that the transfer portal is not just a good thing. It's a great thing.

There were some basketball experts that predicted that we had seen the high water mark of NCAA basketball in the 1990's. That is because the students who were great players had a ton of incentive to move on to the NBA. Who could blame them? Get that million dollar check or live in a dorm for a couple more years and risk an injury that ends your NBA dreams before them begin? Not a hard decision.

Things are a bit wonky because of the eligibility extension due to COVID, but the portal is a great thing. I've long thought that there were excellent players from smaller colleges that could make it playing Division 1. They just didn't get the chance to do so for various reasons.

Look at the DJs with NC State. Winthrop and Arizona State. Not exactly what I would call blue blooded basketball royalty colleges. It just took the getting on the right team with the right coach.

If the portal supplies upward mobility for those deserving of it, then I'm all for it. Otherwise we might never have seen a bear become a ballerina in a Wolfpack uniform.
 
Studentofthegun said:
I've thought about it for a while now and have come to the conclusion that the transfer portal is not just a good thing. It's a great thing.

There were some basketball experts that predicted that we had seen the high water mark of NCAA basketball in the 1990's. That is because the students who were great players had a ton of incentive to move on to the NBA. Who could blame them? Get that million dollar check or live in a dorm for a couple more years and risk an injury that ends your NBA dreams before them begin? Not a hard decision.

Things are a bit wonky because of the eligibility extension due to COVID, but the portal is a great thing. I've long thought that there were excellent players from smaller colleges that could make it playing Division 1. They just didn't get the chance to do so for various reasons.

Look at the DJs with NC State. Winthrop and Arizona State. Not exactly what I would call blue blooded basketball royalty colleges. It just took the getting on the right team with the right coach.

If the portal supplies upward mobility for those deserving of it, then I'm all for it. Otherwise we might never have seen a bear become a ballerina in a Wolfpack uniform.
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I think the portal is a mixed bag. I would like to see a dead period until after the NCAA tournament, and I do think there should be a limit on how many 'portal leaps' a player can have (I'd like to see this in football, too). But look at UConn and what Hurley has done: his team has one 'great' guy, the rest are portal dogs. His starting PG is from that might North Caroline basketball powerhouse ECU, where he was a middling player. The portal does allow the right people at the right place at the right time in the right fit.
 
Chuckman said:
The portal does allow the right people at the right place at the right time in the right fit.
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Yeah that's the key, for me anyway. It gives each program the ability to put a team together that might actually do better. Or for a coach to find players he feels he can coach better. That means we may be seeing a higher level of play. At least a more interesting one.
 
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Studentofthegun said:
Yeah that's the key, for me anyway. It gives each program the ability to put a team together that might actually do better. Or for a coach to find players he feels he can coach better. That means we may be seeing a higher level of play. At least a more interesting one.
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Well the teams that attract or buy the best transfers will have a higher level of play. But that means other teams are losing that talent and are worse off.
 
CZfool68 said:
Well the teams that attract or buy the best transfers will have a higher level of play. But that means other teams are losing that talent and are worse off.
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Yes, and no. Some of the talent that's leaving is leaving because it's a fit issue, or not enough playing time, or whatever. But just about every program will bring you in a transfer, and just like the football portal, sometimes this gives opportunities of good players at good schools to go to lesser great schools and really stand out.
 
Stobie said:
Whether you believe the transfer portal is a good thing or not, you must acknowledge that Kevin Keatts has done a great job of getting all these guys working together in a relatively short period of time.
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UNC two years ago was like this: that had to beat Duke just to get into the tournament, then they gelled and made it to the NCAA championship game. They are peaking at the right time; however, as much as I would like to see them win, they have buzz saws in Purdue (just because of Edey) and UConn.
 
Off topic, but what bronny is doing should be illegal, declare for the draft, maintain college eligibility and enter the transfer portal all at once. That's just too much.
 
They should just make college ball minor league teams for the pros. There is no school loyalty anymore. Hell, you can't even keep up with who is on your school's team from year to year.

Gone are the glory days of ACC basketball in the '60's and '70's. You knew all the players, they all stayed for four years. And usually the ACC had 5 or 6 teams in the top twenty, most were usually in the top ten!

I only watch the ACC and NCAA tournaments anymore. I used to watch the whole season. I guess I'm just old because it seems to me that it's all about the Benjamin's and making it to the pros anymore.
 
I’m not sure if the transfer portal and NIL is good for college sports but it sure is about time these dirt bag coaches have to change how they lie and treat kids. While the coaches make 7 million in salary plus endorsement millions they were demanding kids practice almost all year, take summer classes, and take easy degree courses to stay eligible. I have zero sympathy for coaches nor universities. They got rich off the slavery of poor kids.
 
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I wouldn't call a full ride athletic scholarship slavery.
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I encourage you to reconsider your position. Often times the demand on a athletes time to support the sport is so great they are unable to perform academically in anything but the lowest level of majors, essentially making their degree worthless.

Consider, for instance, the UNC athletes who were being practically given passing grades in courses that did not exist in order to maintain their athletic eligibility. How much is their degree earned through a scholarship worth?

The slavery aspect is more to address the massive imbalance between what is offered to a student athlete (a worthless college degree in something they never actually studied for) and what is given to the coaches and school management (millions of dollars)
 
GoWolfpack said:
I encourage you to reconsider your position. Often times the demand on a athletes time to support the sport is so great they are unable to perform academically in anything but the lowest level of majors, essentially making their degree worthless.

Consider, for instance, the UNC athletes who were being practically given passing grades in courses that did not exist in order to maintain their athletic eligibility. How much is their degree earned through a scholarship worth?

The slavery aspect is more to address the massive imbalance between what is offered to a student athlete (a worthless college degree in something they never actually studied for) and what is given to the coaches and school management (millions of dollars)
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Yeah that's a choice not slavery. They are given every opportunity to take classes of real opportunity. They are definitely not oppressed.
 
SPST said:
I wouldn't call a full ride athletic scholarship slavery.
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If you were required to do 30 hours of practice at 3 different times a day and suggested you on your on exceed that in the weight room plus travel ten hours to 20 hours a week I think that is beyond a usual persons work week and damned more demanding. You aren’t going to nursing school, pre med, engineering on that schedule. Plus the coach has to approve the academic schedule.
 
Cowboy said:
Yeah that's a choice not slavery. They are given every opportunity to take classes of real opportunity. They are definitely not oppressed.
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In the case of NCSU; according to the gargler Kevin Keatts has been given bonuses of $200,000 in addition to an increase in contracted salary of $400,000 (from $2.7M to $3.1M per year) and a two year contract extension as a result of this run to the final four.

Prior to NIL rule changes it would have been a violation of NCAA rules for the players (you know, the ones doing all the work) to be given ANYTHING as a financial reward for their performance. One party to this relationship gets a six figure bonus, the other gets sent home if they are given a single cent. That's exploitation.
 
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GoWolfpack said:
In the case of NCSU; according to the gargler Kevin Keatts has been given bonuses of $200,000 in addition to an increase in contracted salary of $400,000 (from $2.7M to $3.1M per year) and a two year contract extension as a result of this run to the final four.

Prior to NIL rule changes it would have been a violation of NCAA rules for the players (you know, the ones doing all the work) to be given ANYTHING as a financial reward for their performance. One party to this relationship gets a six figure bonus, the other gets sent home if they are given a single cent. That's exploitation.
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I have a friend that played at WVU in the early 80's. He was a 6ft 10in bench player and drove a corvette that was leased in his name. So there has always been money in college sports it's just ok now. I understand what you are saying but most major programs the players don't even have to go to a regular class room. They have their centers and bring the teachers in if not they schedule special classes for players. Tell me if a regular student would have that opportunity. Just because they get the lowest possible students because they don't have to learn in high school and only think they are gonna be a ball player or rap star. Don't call it slavery. Also those coaches that are making those large contracts have also put in their time coaching,Training, teaching, fund raising, learning and development of themselves all before being tapped as a head coach. Then they run an entire program while doing the same stuff while also recruiting and organizing ever hour of every day. So while they do make a huge salary they have earned at least 90% of it. So again I wouldn't call it slavery because they can always leave. Last I checked slaves had no option to leave.
 
BlackGun said:
If you were required to do 30 hours of practice at 3 different times a day and suggested you on your on exceed that in the weight room plus travel ten hours to 20 hours a week I think that is beyond a usual persons work week and damned more demanding. You aren’t going to nursing school, pre med, engineering on that schedule. Plus the coach has to approve the academic schedule.
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Actually know a football player who got an engineering degree while being a captain on the team
They practice six hours a day (basically) but he hustles and got grades high enough to keep himself in college for his masters (he's closing in on halfway through this MBA)
 
Me. said:
When did “traveling” become a thing nobody gets called for?
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Dude I have watched some games and I had the same thought, it's often 3 or 4 steps they're taking. Wild.
 
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I was in classes with Craig Watts (Wolfpack mens basketball 77-81) and my room mate worked with him on a project. He missed a lot of classes presumably due to team travel and was always playing catch up. Craig was "discouraged" from remaining in electrical engineering while playing basketball. To his credit he got an engineering degree but not in EE. I stuggled a lot to get an engineering degree w/o missing classes or playing B ball.
 
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jimmyjames8 said:
I was in classes with Craig Watts (Wolfpack mens basketball 77-81) and my room mate worked with him on a project. He missed a lot of classes presumably due to team travel and was always playing catch up. Craig was "discouraged" from remaining in electrical engineering while playing basketball. To his credit he got an engineering degree but not in EE. I stuggled a lot to get an engineering degree w/o missing classes or playing B ball.
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I went to school with Cedric “Cornbread” Maxwell (later Boston Celtics) at UNCC in the mid late 70’s.

I had an hour break between a couple of classes one morning so I was in the student union shooting pool. Just knocking balls around. He walked over and was just standing there looking on. I asked if he wanted to shoot a game. He did.

So I’m making conversation. He wasn’t chatty. I knew who he was, but he wasn’t a widely known quantity just yet. I think the 49er’s made it to the final four that year. Maybe it was the next. Can’t remember.

Anyway, we’re shooting pool...

Me: “So what’s your major?"
Him: “I play basketball.” (proper enunciation: bassetball)
Me: “I know, just curious, what’s your major?"
Him: "I play basketball."
Me: “I know. I go to all the home games.” (They were played in our inauspicious gym on campus)
Him: “Geography."
 
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The end of the road has come but I am still happy!

How could I ask for anything more from this team? How could anyone?

They had a heck of a run and gave me and my wife some great times sitting here and watching the games together.

I’m so thankful for it. With all the negative things in the world it was nice to have something so positive.

Thanks to the NC State Men’s and Women’s basketball teams. We couldn’t be more proud!

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Do the teams get a “homecoming” greeting from fans at the airport?

That olwld be nice for them.
 
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Do the teams get a “homecoming” greeting from fans at the airport?

That olwld be nice for them.
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I'm sure they will. Probably at campus like after the last game.


Studentofthegun said:
The end of the road has come but I am still happy!

How could I ask for anything more from this team? How could anyone?

They had a heck of a run and gave me and my wife some great times sitting here and watching the games together.

I’m so thankful for it. With all the negative things in the world it was nice to have something so positive.

Thanks to the NC State Men’s and Women’s basketball teams. We couldn’t be more proud!

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How could anybody be mad about our first final four appearance in 40 years? And outlasting every other ACC team?
 
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