Opinions on CCW caliber

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Wife and I are taking a CCW class in a couple weeks. We have looked at handguns a lot lately and decided on a few. She's content on a S&W M&P9 Sheild in 9mm. I'm thinking on a Sig Sauer P320 in S&W 40. I like the S&W40 for medium balance on velocity and stopping power. Also considered 9mm and 357 Sig. I like 9mm and 357 Sig for velocity and penetration. Then there is over penetration as a possible issue with those. Thoughts on any of this?
 
I choose 9mm. Main reason, it's cheap, and that means alot more practice. Also with today's technology I personally believe its extremely effective as far as handgun calibers go. You also get better capacity options, and carry more rounds with less weight. Ymmv.
 
As much as it upsets my stomach to do so, I agree with @Love2shoot. My rationale is that 9mm should get the job done with proper placement (which should be easier than with .40) and standardizing on one caliber means you can afford to keep plenty of inventory of range and SD ammo in the one caliber.
 
By the way, I don't own and have never even shot a .40 so what the hell do I know. However, I notice that .40's are being discounted like crazy everywhere and by everybody. That wouldn't make me comfortable adopting it as my new "standard".
 
I've been carrying my Springfield XDS .45 since last year under a t-shirt with no problems whatsoever. Nice tight OWB leather holster and you forget you have it on.
 
Of Course that assumes you can hit your target.... right @Jeppo o_O
I'll have you know that I practice to exhaustion
with the expectation that my attacker will be
an elderly woman,
in a walker,
shooting spit wads at me,
through a recyclable Starbucks paper straw. :cool:
 
9mm, .40, .357sig, .45, .38spcl it doesn’t really matter as they all perform about the same ballistically with modern ammo. So why not choose the one that is the cheapeast and easiest to shoot and can carry the most rounds with? This is why I carry 9mm personally.
 
40 cal is almost dead. When law enforcements went away from it so did the public. Too high a price to practice with and not abundant on the shelf.

Even the great one who always endorsed the 45 acp has publicly stated 9mm is his choice from here on out. That man is Ken Hackathorn, the 1911 45 acp guru. You can get back on target for a second or third shot much easier than with a bigger caliber and manager the recoil. Plus more capacity. I've owned and will own 45 acp but its not to practice with nor carry. Try selling that 40 cal when you tire of it. You'll have to discount it a bunch and get behind 9mm sellers.
 
Wife and I are taking a CCW class in a couple weeks. We have looked at handguns a lot lately and decided on a few. She's content on a S&W M&P9 Sheild in 9mm. I'm thinking on a Sig Sauer P320 in S&W 40. I like the S&W40 for medium balance on velocity and stopping power. Also considered 9mm and 357 Sig. I like 9mm and 357 Sig for velocity and penetration. Then there is over penetration as a possible issue with those. Thoughts on any of this?

Yeppers. Definitely some thoughts with respect to people's concerns with "over penetration".

Here's my opinion on this particular subject:

QUIT WORRYING ABOUT IT.

"Over penetration" is ONLY a concern IF you hit your target in the first place. Given that the vast majority of shots fired in self-defense AND by police do not, in fact, penetrate the intended target in the first place, "over penetration" is NOT the primary concern.

For concealed carry, my opinion is this: Carry the largest caliber you can reasonably conceal AND shoot effectively. Why? Because in terms of self-defense, bigger and more powerful is better. But it's ONLY better to the extent that you can handle and conceal it in the first place.

This encompasses many aspects that ONLY the person doing the carrying is to be concerned about. Some of these are (not limited to):

- Size of the gun. If you cannot properly grip the gun, nor conceal it properly, then it's too big for your intended use.

- Power of the gun. If you cannot properly handle and control the gun, then it's too much for your intended use.

- Ammunition. If it's not powerful enough to penetrate adequately, then it's not enough. If it's too powerful to effectively control, then it's too much.

- Your capability to carry the weapon of choice. This is subject to many things...if your required dress code won't allow IWB as a practical option, for example, then you need something more suitable for another concealed carry method.

SO:

1. Pick a gun you like that you can shoot effectively and conceal.

2. Pick an ammunition that will provide at least the minimum penetration suitable for self-defense (preferably something that matches your chosen target ammunition in mass and velocity). AND that you can control.

3. Pick a concealed carry means suitable for your choice in weapon(s) AND a proper holster/belt combination.

4. Practice. Practice a lot. Then practice some more.

5. If, after doing the above things, you find another suitable combination of everything...feel free to carry it if you wish. 'Cause that's the beauty of our country: you can own more than one of anything you want.
 
Opened a hot topic here, lol. Kinda figured it might be. I will eventually have a small collection of handguns. For handguns I currently own a CZ82 9mm Mak and a 22LR revolver. Wouldn't really carry either. I just like the look of the Sig Sauer P320 for a first buy over say a Glock. Just me, both feel decent in the hand though. So as for the Sig Sauer P320, anybody here own one? Thoughts on it?
 
You know that the P320 can be had in 9mm also, right? In fact, last week they were being sold in Charlotte for around $400 OTD (since expired).
 
You know that the P320 can be had in 9mm also, right? In fact, last week they were being sold in Charlotte for around $400 OTD (since expired).


That's correct. It's my top choice so far from the selection of handguns I've handled so far. Aware to the variety of calibers in this particular gun, another reason as the model has options.
 
I see you're new here... Welcome to the internet! We have several topics to choose from: Politics, religion, Glock vs 1911, carry ammo, boxers vs briefs, and cats.
FIFY :D
 
Opened a hot topic here, lol. Kinda figured it might be. I will eventually have a small collection of handguns. For handguns I currently own a CZ82 9mm Mak and a 22LR revolver. Wouldn't really carry either. I just like the look of the Sig Sauer P320 for a first buy over say a Glock. Just me, both feel decent in the hand though. So as for the Sig Sauer P320, anybody here own one? Thoughts on it?

If you are looking at that size pistol you would be doing yourself a dis-service if you don't check out the sw 2.0c and the czp10c. I sold my p320 for a 2.0c and couldn't be happier. I have a g19 but never carry it because I like the 2.0c so much. I never shot a p10c but people do love them, and all 4 of those guns are in the same price range.
 
If you are looking at that size pistol you would be doing yourself a dis-service if you don't check out the sw 2.0c and the czp10c. I sold my p320 for a 2.0c and couldn't be happier. I have a g19 but never carry it because I like the 2.0c so much. I never shot a p10c but people do love them, and all 4 of those guns are in the same price range.

Just curious but why? Personal pref, performance, etc?
 
9mm, .40, .357sig, .45, .38spcl it doesn’t really matter as they all perform about the same ballistically with modern ammo. So why not choose the one that is the cheapeast and easiest to shoot and can carry the most rounds with? This is why I carry 9mm personally.

This exactly.

I used to carry a 1911 in .45ACP (8+1). I can carry 17+1 of 9mm in the same space under my clothes at less weight on my belt. Or, I can carry 8+1 of 9mm with much less weight and space. With cheaper ammo to boot.
 
BTW, the P320 I'm looking at is the Carry size, not the Compact. I like a sightly larger grip to fit my hand better. I'm a big guy, so a medium frame handgun would probably work well for me for concealment.
 
Handgun of the size for concealed carry are not going to really have “stopping power” in the true sense of those words ... shot placement is more key (and multiple shots are preferable). To that I say look for (after first being damn reliable) what you shot well, handle easily and WILL carry. Do not count on the tool doing all the work ... the user must know how and be able to use the tool.
 
Make sure you carry ammo marketed as self defense rounds from a reputable manufacturer. Like others, I highly recommend 9mm. It's cheap(er) and has a ton of options for range ammo and self defense. Plenty of good holster options if you pick a popular model in a popular caliber as well. Holster is everything when it comes to concealing. For the money, I like aliengear the best.

I currently live in an apt so over penetration into my neighbors' homes is a big concern. I've read too many articles where people (including trained personnel) miss a lot of shots even from close range when in a shooting situation. You are responsible for every shot you take. In the home, it's shotgun with buckshot for me.

What @RetiredUSNChief said. ... becasue it is the the most accurate and reliable handgun that I can successfully conceal on my person.

This is the best advice. I obviously can't conceal the shotgun. But don't get too caught up in forcing yourself to carry 40 or 45. Modern stats with modern ammo shows 9mm will do the job. Finnish sharpshooters use 22 from as far as 200 m by shooting BGs in the throat. Italian mafiasos have been using 32acp (much smaller than 380 and you will be made fun of in the US) for assassinations with decades worth of info that shows they do in fact bleed out and die.
 
Just curious but why? Personal pref, performance, etc?

Well I bought the 320 before the drop safe issue was found. It was great, but honestly when I got it back from the recall and it was modified I just didn't like the trigger and then shot the 2.0c. That gun just fits my hand very well, is dead balls reliable, and easy to carry. I have the g19 as a backup but don't enjoy shooting it anywhere near as much as the 2.0c. I take a good amount of new shooters to the range also and let them shoot and id say most also like the feel of the 2.0c.
 
Another vote for 9mm.

9mm isn't my favorite round to shoot, but it is the perfect balance of performance, reliability, size, and capacity.
 
Look, you knew when you posted this that all the limp wrister's around here were going to say 9mm so why even ask?? It's the most they can handle and their too cheap to buy a real gun that shoots a real bullet.

In my opinion if you're gonna shoot somebody you owe it to them to shoot them with the biggest and best, in other words do it once but do it right with a .45. There's a reason people have been using the .45 for ages and eons, it works...... I guess "Mr. 45 Hackathorn: has gotten too old and fragile to shoot a real caliber so he's gone the way of "less is more".....

If you recall the yellow jacket threads from a week or so ago and you thought that was bad, wait 'til I hit the post reply button....
 
Oh I've been around a long time! Lol


OK then a serious answer: I carry handguns in 32 auto, 38spl, 9mm Luger and 45 auto. They'll all get the job done. Obviously 45 is more powerful than 32 but IMO they're not different enough to matter - shot placement matters way way more. I want self defense ammo that hits where I point and goes bang every time. And I want as much of it on my person as I can reasonably carry, which usually leads to 9mm.
 
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Look, you knew when you posted this that all the limp wrister's around here were going to say 9mm so why even ask?? It's the most they can handle and their too cheap to buy a real gun that shoots a real bullet.

In my opinion if you're gonna shoot somebody you owe it to them to shoot them with the biggest and best, in other words do it once but do it right with a .45. There's a reason people have been using the .45 for ages and eons, it works...... I guess "Mr. 45 Hackathorn: has gotten too old and fragile to shoot a real caliber so he's gone the way of "less is more".....
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.45 is for pansies.
 
Look, you knew when you posted this that all the limp wrister's around here were going to say 9mm so why even ask?? It's the most they can handle and their too cheap to buy a real gun that shoots a real bullet.

In my opinion if you're gonna shoot somebody you owe it to them to shoot them with the biggest and best, in other words do it once but do it right with a .45. There's a reason people have been using the .45 for ages and eons, it works...... I guess "Mr. 45 Hackathorn: has gotten too old and fragile to shoot a real caliber so he's gone the way of "less is more".....
After careful reflection, I carry 2 .22 pistols.

I figure .44 is close enough to .45 to get the job done. :D
 
So as for the Sig Sauer P320, anybody here own one? Thoughts on it?

I thought I was finished with 9mm but recently took a P320C-RX in a trade. The value was just too much to pass up. It's the first striker fired pistol I've owned and I'm kinda liking it. Accurate and reliable, just like the 226 that was my EDC for 20+ years. I doubt I'll be carrying it due to the Romeo1 sight. That makes it more suitable for competition than serious defense work.

I think I'll be keeping it unless I get a too good to pass up trade offer.
 
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