Outdoor Limited Has 9mm In

Jeppo said:
I couldn’t agree more.

However, when one retailer offers an item for 25 cents and another offers the identical item at 80 cents, a few of us dummies have trouble understanding exactly “what is the market”.

Would you explain it to me?
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Moral VS immoral capitalism:

If ammo was $0.18, but prices go up to 0.80, and replacement by distributors is 0.50:

Moral:
Charging $0.80/round for new orders

Immoral:
Cancel current orders bought/in cart but not shipped at $0.18, claiming out of stock, and minutes later, put up same ammo at $0.80.
 
wvsig said:
From what I can see the large retailers who buy directly from the manufacturers have the smallest price increases. Bass Pro, Natchez, Cabelas, Sportsman’s Guide etc...

The smaller shops who buy from the distributors seem to have the largest price increases. People like OL buy from distributors. It seems like those distributors are marking up the price at a similar % as those that buy direct.

Places like OL are a bidding war of sorts to get something to sell just like the consumer is in a race to the store with something in stock. This continues to drive up the distributors price. By the time the Ammo gets to OL it has experienced 2 major price hikes. One at the manufacturers level one at the distributor level. OL then has to market it up.

This is also the best case scenario for people like OL. As a result of lack of availability they maybe buying from a middle man who has more buying power at the distributor level adding yet another level.

Over the last 18 months it became clear who bought their ammo from the same distributors. The same brands were email blasted out at the same time by certain retailers. You could really tell when brands like SVT, Geco it Men came in. Not your everyday names. Most of the time the pricing was within a few $$$ between retailers.

Now this is speculation but I imagine David is buying anything and everything he can at any price so he has something to sell. We don’t know what he pays and we don’t know his profit margin. On the surface it seems like he is make a huge profit but it is possible he is scraping just to keep his head above water.
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Outdoor Limited is the retail front for an
ammo distributor.
 
cubrock said:
Outdoor Limited is the retail front for an
ammo distributor.
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Addendum: that was the biggest reason I didn’t sign up with them as a commercial customer when ammo was cheap. They competed with their retailers in the same market with a retail store and website that sold ammo for not much more than our wholesale cost. I’m not a fan of wholesalers who compete with their customers who sell retail.
 
cubrock said:
Outdoor Limited is the retail front for an
ammo distributor.
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Not a very big one. It does not appear that they are buying directly from manufacturers. They seem to be further down the food chain.

Maybe I should have made a distinction between primary direct buying distributors and secondary ones. IMHO this further explains why their prices are what they are right now. I would guess their normal direct distribution lines are dry. They are now buying from bigger distributors.

I am not defending them just offering an explanation.
 
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If he wasn’t buying direct, how can we explain that he was usually lower than other outlets (except for the occasional crazy low offer from “big guys”)?
 
pinkbunny said:
Moral VS immoral capitalism:

If ammo was $0.18, but prices go up to 0.80, and replacement by distributors is 0.50:

Moral:
Charging $0.80/round for new orders

Immoral:
Cancel current orders bought/in cart but not shipped at $0.18, claiming out of stock, and minutes later, put up same ammo at $0.80.
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Sportsman guides playbook
 
Jeppo said:
If he wasn’t buying direct, how can we explain that he was usually lower than other outlets (except for the occasional crazy low offer from “big guys”)?
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His pricing was in line with places like AIM, S&G, PSA, Mass Ammo etc... often when I shopped him he wasn’t the cheapest but I bought somewhat local. Most of the time I could beat his pricing by a few $$$.

In the end we don’t know. I personally wrote him off 3 months ago.
 
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cubrock said:
Addendum: that was the biggest reason I didn’t sign up with them as a commercial customer when ammo was cheap. They competed with their retailers in the same market with a retail store and website that sold ammo for not much more than our wholesale cost. I’m not a fan of wholesalers who compete with their customers who sell retail.
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I feel the same way. A distributor will sell an ice machine for $200.00 less than I can buy it from a brick and mortar supplier. Customers looked up the cost and pissed all over me. I don’t give the price on the rare sell now. I give the price for full install with unit price. If they want to buy it I give the install price. They are the same margin but I don’t have to arrange purchase, delivery, no warranty, and no paperwork. What distributors don’t realize is that I was their best salesman. Now I make more money doing the repair and it will break down again instead of no issue for 5 to 10 years. Cut their own throats.
 
pinkbunny said:
Moral VS immoral capitalism:

If ammo was $0.18, but prices go up to 0.80, and replacement by distributors is 0.50:

Moral:
Charging $0.80/round for new orders

Immoral:
Cancel current orders bought/in cart but not shipped at $0.18, claiming out of stock, and minutes later, put up same ammo at $0.80.
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You want morality, go to church. Markets are for buying and selling
 
tanstaafl72555 said:
You want morality, go to church. Markets are for buying and selling
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I’m still not for canceling existing orders and selling that product to someone else at the higher price. Any company that does that is not a company with whom I wish to do business.
 
cubrock said:
I’m still not for canceling existing orders and selling that product to someone else at the higher price. Any company that does that is not a company with whom I wish to do business.
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Could not agree more. I would in fact sue for breach of contract, on principle alone. If someone were so minded, they could form a syndicate and file a class action lawsuit for damages. Even though you would collect no money after it was all over, it would be justice.

I am just saying that wicked and perverse men as well as upright and honest men, make up the markets (no sexism meant).
 
Tailhunter said:
This I don’t fully believe.
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In a vacuum he is correct, but merchants that either are or are believed to be more honest and ethical probably, or most likeLy, have a competitive advantage in the long run. It’s funny, but your customers’ opinions of your morality and ethics do impact your business. Go figure.
 
pinkbunny said:
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"Is," and "Should" are not the same thing. You wanna walk that path, you do you. I don't want that for me.
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Why someone would insist that the idiocies of logical positivism are the only alternative to puritannical imposition of goodness is beyond me.

Please review the NAP and get back to me. Civic morality which is the basis for legislation is essentially the NAP, and nothing more. Any other impositions of "morality" beyond this are silly and tyrannical. It is the inability of well meaning and and personally moral people to distinguish between the two which leads to all sorts of sillliness, and really dumb expectations like thinking what markets "should" do. Markets "should" avoid being avenues for fraud and breach of contract. Nothing more is even possible on the moral side.
 
tanstaafl72555 said:
Markets "should" avoid being avenues for fraud and breach of contract. Nothing more is even possible on the moral side.
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Don't want to get in the weeds here. But why should they? Seems like a moral choice. If my self interest is all that matters, why shouldn't I screw over people beyond charging what the market can bear, and commit fraud?

And how is applying the non-aggression principle not injecting morality into economics? Who are you to impose those values of not harming others onto me? :p

Edit: Calling it now, super long wall of text incoming. :p
 
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BlackGun said:
I feel the same way. A distributor will sell an ice machine for $200.00 less than I can buy it from a brick and mortar supplier. Customers looked up the cost and pissed all over me. I don’t give the price on the rare sell now. I give the price for full install with unit price. If they want to buy it I give the install price. They are the same margin but I don’t have to arrange purchase, delivery, no warranty, and no paperwork. What distributors don’t realize is that I was their best salesman. Now I make more money doing the repair and it will break down again instead of no issue for 5 to 10 years. Cut their own throats.
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Same here! I now let the customer buy it. If it breaks, I get paid to fix. If I provide the part, the warranty bs is on me. They can buy most things as cheaply as i can, especially Rockwell/ Allen Bradley stuff. I get ZERO discount from our local rapists...i mean distributor!

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jodyisaacs said:
Same here! I now let the customer buy it. If it breaks, I get paid to fix. If I provide the part, the warranty bs is on me. They can buy most things as cheaply as i can, especially Rockwell/ Allen Bradley stuff. I get ZERO discount from our local rapists...i mean distributor!

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You would think they would reward loyalty for recommending their products and installing something leading to a future sale. Nope. The distributor is has no concept of who is providing the sales pipeline. The customer has little loyalty also. Price supersedes service. Older generations understood the concept. Then came my generation centralized purchasing and short term number crunching.

Whether you are Outdoor Limited or a process logic controller distributor you have to make a decision. Are you going to be the company who is in it for the long term or only when you have inventory. Also does price always supersede customer service. I rarely buy from Palmetto State. They left a bloody trail of no communication years ago when orders never shipped timely and their brand guns had issues. I look, then search as many other sites as possible.
 
Remington Golden Bullets at Outdoor Limited for 33.3 cent per round. That’s right Remington Garbage Bullets. Load your carts up on this prize.

There is no end to this companies madness. 900% or more markup is some damn good margins.
 
$30+ for 100 rounds of .22LR?

Nope. I wouldn’t even pay 1/2 that for CCI.
 
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9mm plinking rounds are going for $1 a piece retail right now....
 
I'm really tempted to go back and reopen some of the earlier comments on this particular thread in re church and market and morality and call for a definition of terms previously dropped like NAP and logical positivism...but I really shouldn't do that.

It's me jumping into conversations like this that get me banned from Nextdoor multiple times, although I'm guessing there are fewer snowflakes here than there.

nate
 
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