P320 drop test fail?

Yeah but it really makes my guns taste good!
 
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The Firearm Blog reached out to Sig Sauer for comment after learning about the recall and spoke with Phil Strader, the Pistol Product Manager who would have issued such a recall. Strader states that Sig Sauer does not have a formal statement at this time and are working on gathering all the needed information to make a statement. Strader went on to say that even though he is the person that would have issued such a recall but had not done so and was unaware of any recall being issued at the time we spoke with him.

IMPORTANT: THIS IS NOT A FACTORY RECALL ISSUED BY SIG, THIS IS A DEPARTMENTAL RECALL ISSUED BY THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
 
So here's the real story

There has been a big uproar over the last several days concerning the SIG P-320. We’ve all seen a lot of rumors mixed in with some facts. Much to my satisfaction SIG has addressed the situation with a just released official statement.

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While the Dallas PD emailed us to say they are not allowing their officers to carry the P-320 they don’t elaborate the reason. They also stated there have been no instances of malfunction or other problems. So, the reason remains unclear.

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UPDATE:

I just spoke with Jordan at SIG who clarified what started this whole ball rolling downhill. An armorer at Dallas PD read an old outdated user manual which SIG has since edited. The language was confusing but caused this officer concern for the safety of the officers. DPD halted all officers from carrying the P-320 until they could contact the right person at SIG. Since the person at SIG was not in the office DPD issued the do not carry internal memo.

The SIG P-320 will now be placed back on the authorized carry list.(as soon as the POST approves). The PD took this action after speaking with SIG about the language in the outdated manual and coming to an understanding once the correct information was passed to the PD. Texas POST will take a few days to ok the P-320 for carry. DPD will issue a public statement in a few days.

So boys and girls this is what started this whole ordeal which is now resolved to everyone’s satisfaction. This should be the end of it. It certainly is as far as I’m concerned!

This is what SIG tells us:

Newington, NH (August 4, 2017) – In response to social media rumors questioning the safety of the P320 pistol, a variant of which was selected by the U.S. government as the U.S. Army’s Modular Handgun System (MHS), SIG SAUER, Inc. has full confidence in the reliability, durability and safety of its striker-fired handgun platform. There have been zero (0) reported drop-related P320 incidents in the U.S. commercial market, with hundreds of thousands of guns delivered to date.

The P320 meets and exceeds all U.S. standards for safety, including the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc. (SAAMI), as well as rigorous testing protocols for global military and law enforcement agencies.

All SIG SAUER pistols incorporate effective mechanical safeties to ensure they only fire when the trigger is pressed. However, like any mechanical device, exposure to acute conditions (e.g. shock, vibration, heavy or repeated drops) may have a negative effect on these safety mechanisms and cause them to not work as designed. This language is common to owner’s manuals of major handgun manufacturers.

As a result, individual attempts to perform drop tests outside of professionally controlled environments should not be attempted.

“SIG SAUER is committed to producing only the finest products,” said Ron Cohen, President and CEO of SIG SAUER. “Safety and reliability have been and always will be paramount to the SIG SAUER brand.”

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...ment-sig-sauer-reaffirms-safety-p-320-pistol/


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So that means Sig probably won't DROP the price? I was getting so excited.
 
Bought two guns from him in May (including the BG 380 that's going back to the mothership next week) and I'm sure he'll end up with plenty of my money next weekend.
 
toddje said:
Uh oh... bang!


I wonder if someone has tried this with a Glock with all the light trigger BS installed (e.g. ZEV, Ghost etc.)...
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Here we go again. I have wondered that too. It will be interesting to see what sig does about this.


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I've never even held a Sig so I don't have a dog in this hunt. I'm wondering how the P320 owners in the forum feel about this "story". Any of you concerned or is this no big deal?
 
Jeppo said:
I've never even held a Sig so I don't have a dog in this hunt. I'm wondering how the P320 owners in the forum feel about this "story". Any of you concerned or is this no big deal?
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I have one that is my edc. I have carried it for about 18 months. Now I haven't dropped it or anything crazy and do t plan to but this does make me a bit squeamish. I have the apex flat trigger in mine. I wonder if that would make a difference? I will try to weigh them tomorrow to see the difference if there is any. I doubt I'll quit carrying the p320 because of this but I might be more careful.


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i own one, and soon youll hold one in your hand :) .... i am concerned, I just dont feel I should have to own a gun that CAN fire if dropped. Not that I plan on going to a sandy place or something, but if I want to shoot an IDPA, or a casual steel course, and happen to drop it. Everyone thinks about the life and death self defense situations, but what about just shooting a match or casual. Yep, I am concerned and following this closely.
 
Seems like there's enough smoke around this fire to be concerned. Didn't SIG have some trigger-dingus models when the p320 initially was introduced? That may be the eventual fix, if all this really is legit.
 
Stopped by one of Sig's big dealers today. The gunsmith said there's nothing from Sig yet mentioning a recall. My take is that the Dallas PD had one, maybe two guns, that failed, and they want to have all of them inspected. Of course one failure is one failure too many if your an LEO.
 
toddje said:
I wonder if someone has tried this with a Glock with all the light trigger BS installed (e.g. ZEV, Ghost etc.)...
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A lot of users over on /r/Glocks were testing their aftermarket triggers and not surpringly a lot of them seemed to be failing.
 
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Love2shoot said:
i own one, and soon youll hold one in your hand :) .... i am concerned, I just dont feel I should have to own a gun that CAN fire if dropped. Not that I plan on going to a sandy place or something, but if I want to shoot an IDPA, or a casual steel course, and happen to drop it. Everyone thinks about the life and death self defense situations, but what about just shooting a match or casual. Yep, I am concerned and following this closely.
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For an old project, I received a huge quantity of soft acoustical foam that's been hiding in my crawlspace forever. I'll bring it out and spread it under you.

:D
 
Meckmeister said:
Stopped by one of Sig's big dealers today. The gunsmith said there's nothing from Sig yet mentioning a recall. My take is that the Dallas PD had one, maybe two guns, that failed, and they want to have all of them inspected. Of course one failure is one failure too many if your an LEO.
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Watch the last video. It explains a lot.
I happen across the video today and came to post it before I saw this thread.
 
In the above post by Zbizzle1911 regarding Sig's reply was this statement.

"All SIG SAUER pistols incorporate effective mechanical safeties to ensure they only fire when the trigger is pressed. However, like any mechanical device, exposure to acute conditions (e.g. shock, vibration, heavy or repeated drops) may have a negative effect on these safety mechanisms and cause them to not work as designed. This language is common to owner’s manuals of major handgun manufacturers.
"As a result, individual attempts to perform drop tests outside of professionally controlled environments should not be attempted."
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So what really happens to pistols outside of the factory "controlled environments?"
That still leaves some doubt in their reassurances, at least to me.
 
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Ok, in that last video by Omaha outdoors...
Did anyone else find it weird that it showed a guy in sandals drop testing the guns by a bench?? With live ammo?!! Hopefully, that was just a re-creation with blanks and the real testing was in a more controlled environment. I mean, where did the rounds go?
 
georgel said:
Ok, in that last video by Omaha outdoors...
Did anyone else find it weird that it showed a guy in sandals drop testing the guns by a bench?? With live ammo?!! Hopefully, that was just a re-creation with blanks and the real testing was in a more controlled environment. I mean, where did the rounds go?
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I am pretty sure that none of the videos were real live fires. I would drop it unloaded (or rather, with no primer and powder but loaded with full weight dummy rounds) and see if the hammer fell. No need to drop a live gun. I think they just added the SFX afterward. I hope so anyway!!
 
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That was just a primer - there was no recoil when it fired.
 
This is exactly why I love my Hi-Point. Drop it and the floor gives way.

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toddje said:
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I wonder if someone has tried this with a Glock with all the light trigger BS installed (e.g. ZEV, Ghost etc.)...
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Wowzers.

Very interesting video!
 
I'm thinkin' this is gonna be great for pistol manufacturers. Every YouTuber buying every kinda gun imaginable and then destroying them to see if they'll fire.

Good time to buy stock in gun companies!

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I don't own a Sig, so no dog in the fight for me. I've shot a few different models though, and they always felt odd to me. Hope Sig can come up with a quick, affordable fix for the problem or they're going to loose a lot of money.
 
RedneckFur said:
I don't own a Sig, so no dog in the fight for me. I've shot a few different models though, and they always felt odd to me. Hope Sig can come up with a quick, affordable fix for the problem or they're going to loose a lot of money.
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Since Sig doubled down on the safety assurance, they've taken the liability issue to a higher level. With just the caveat "all things can break" is not going to be good for competing lawyers in an accident case. But right now it would have to be a real PR problem for this news to be floating about. My son owns a 320 so I'm trying to keep this issue front and center.
 
I see a recall in the near future. No way is Uncle going to let this slide.

As for a Glock - swapping the springs or disconnectors won't change anything because the FP block and trigger dingus are still there. If you remove safety devices you aren't legit for competitions are you?
 
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question though...... so the firing of the gun IS in fact caused by the momentum of the trigger being enough to move back and fire the gun correct? If that is the case, then wouldnt the glock triggers still prevent firing because of that "dingus" trigger safety? And if that is true, then wouldnt that be a quick immediate fix for sig? just give them to all sig owners?
 
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