P320 drop test fail?

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Yep just gets worse by the day. Of course I just got mine milled for an rmr [emoji15][emoji35]


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Maybe the rmr changes the center of gravity in a positive way?

;)
 
SIG SAUER Issues Voluntary Upgrade of P320 Pistol
Published Date: 08/08/2017


P320 pistol meets requirements for industry and government safety standards; performance enhancements optimize function, safety, and reliability.

Newington, NH (August 8, 2017) – The P320 meets U.S. standards for safety, including the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) / Sporting Arms Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc. (SAAMI®), National Institute of Justice (NIJ), as well as rigorous testing protocols for global military and law enforcement agencies.

The design of the SIG SAUER P320 overcomes the most significant safety concern in striker-fired pistols today: the practice of pressing the trigger for disassembly. This can be performed with a round in the chamber which has resulted in numerous incidents of property damage, physical injury, and death. The disassembly process of the P320, however, uses a take-down lever rather than pressing the trigger, eliminating the possibility of discharge during the disassembly process.

Recent events indicate that dropping the P320 beyond U.S. standards for safety may cause an unintentional discharge.

As a result of input from law enforcement, government and military customers, SIG has developed a number of enhancements in function, reliability, and overall safety including drop performance. SIG SAUER is offering these enhancements to its customers. Details of this program will be available at sigsauer.com on Monday, August 14, 2017.

The M17 variant of the P320, selected by the U.S. government as the U.S. Army’s Modular Handgun System (MHS), is not affected by the Voluntary Upgrade.

“SIG SAUER is committed to our approach on innovation, optimization, and performance, ensuring we produce the finest possible products,” said Ron Cohen, President and CEO of SIG SAUER. “Durability, reliability and safety, as well as end-user confidence in the SIG SAUER brand are the priorities for our team.”

For more information on SIG SAUER, please visit us at sigsauer.com

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Love2shoot said:
i own one, and soon youll hold one in your hand :)
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Can you be more specific, as in "soon" will be before or after it goes back to the mothership?

o_O
 
I'll be interested to see what the fix is. I love the Apex trigger in mine. It would be nice if Randy Lee @ Apex would say what their plan is too. I really like the P320 platform and shoot it well. I guess we will just have to wait until monday to see what we need to do!
 
I'm with you Zbizzle, I have 4 of them. Picked up an X5 Sunday after the Dallas debacle was addressed and then Monday the Omaha video dropped lol.
 
Recent events indicate that dropping the P320 beyond U.S. standards for safety may cause an unintentional discharge.
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Man they are REALLY doubling down on the deflection and dodging of blame. Own it, fix it, move on. This "you're not testing it right" bullshit needs to go away.
 
If anything I hope this changes the drop testing procedures industry wide. The videos I have seen are downright discouraging. It's also pretty amazing how the gun community will swallow itself whole given the chance.
 
Glade8r said:
If anything I hope this changes the drop testing procedures industry wide. The videos I have seen are downright discouraging. It's also pretty amazing how the gun community will swallow itself whole given the chance.
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Yeah I'm surprised that the angle they are using to make them fire is not part of the drop protocol. I'd just about imagine that the testing protocols will change after this.


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Love2shoot said:
Hahaha damn. I wonder what the turn around time is gonna be on sending them in.
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I know it sucks that I pointed out the need to send yours back. I was in the middle of writing a note and packing up my BG 380 for the trip back and needed a victim to suffer along with me.

:(
 
I know of a Company Police department that has just issued a notice that they will be switching from the Sig P320 as well.

There issue was ND's caused by other gear. They have had more than one officer holster their weapon and pull the trigger or draw and pull the trigger.

The person I spoke with is very much aware that this is really a dumbass situation and not Sig's fault or a fault in the design of the gun. One of the ND's would have been prevented with a better holster and one would have been prevented had the officer used both hands to reholster, clearing his jacket out of the way. Not sure about the others.

But the powers that be made the decision to switch since they had not had this problem with the previous evolution of handguns that were carried.

I have no idea if this was the same reason for this police department or not.​
 
Zbizzle911 said:
Doesn't look that way.
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So you're assuming they're gonna install all that stuff on the list that they included on the "military" version?

– Reduced-mass fire control components (trigger, sear, and striker)

– New sear housing (reduces sensation of “double click” during trigger pull)

– Trigger disconnect (disengages the trigger bar if the slide is not fully in battery)
 
Thats what they guys at TTAG say in their article. They were in NH today at sig so I guess they'd know lol or better yet i'm assuming and we know how that goes!
 
All you guys who want to get rid of your unsafe Sig P320 give me a call. I'll take them off your hands for a hundred bucks each.

Now, if I could just fix the P938 I Bubba'd today!
 
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gc70 said:
Exactly what would you want ... and more importantly, why?
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Not sure, but I'm not an engineer. I would think the split style trigger or smith and wesson style trigger physically prevents the trigger from moving back, whereas I know the sig said this was engineered into the trigger housing and the physics of it but it seems they were incorrect. It would seem a more effective fix than all the upgrades it seems they are about to offer for each pistol.

PS I own a 320 so I'll take whatever fix they deem appropriate, I don't think they will take the chance of getting it wrong.
 
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Love2shoot said:
Not sure, but I'm not an engineer. I would think the split style trigger or smith and wesson style trigger physically prevents the trigger from moving back, whereas I know the sig said this was engineered into the trigger housing and the physics of it but it seems they were incorrect. It would seem a more effective fix than all the upgrades it seems they are about to offer for each pistol.

PS I own a 320 so I'll take whatever fix they deem appropriate, I don't think they will take the chance of getting it wrong.
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I think ( I know thats dangerous) they don't want to do the dingus or hinged trigger because it would be a nod to Glock or S&W. Especially since they have been getting all the flack over the M17 bid. I will take whatever they deem fit. Although I would love to keep the flat trigger. I wonder if I will get any flack since my slide has been modified to fit the RMR?
 
Zbizzle911 said:
I think ( I know thats dangerous) they don't want to do the dingus or hinged trigger because it would be a nod to Glock or S&W. Especially since they have been getting all the flack over the M17 bid. I will take whatever they deem fit. Although I would love to keep the flat trigger. I wonder if I will get any flack since my slide has been modified to fit the RMR?
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Ohhhh I have the roundish trigger sooooo maybe they will upgrade me to a nice flat trigger. I like those but never put one on. That would be sweet lol
 
Love2shoot said:
Ohhhh I have the roundish trigger sooooo maybe they will upgrade me to a nice flat trigger. I like those but never put one on. That would be sweet lol
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Maybe. I have the apex flat in mine. Love it.


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Love2shoot said:
Not sure, but I'm not an engineer. I would think the split style trigger or smith and wesson style trigger physically prevents the trigger from moving back, whereas I know the sig said this was engineered into the trigger housing and the physics of it but it seems they were incorrect. It would seem a more effective fix than all the upgrades it seems they are about to offer for each pistol.

PS I own a 320 so I'll take whatever fix they deem appropriate, I don't think they will take the chance of getting it wrong.
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A Glock's trigger bar and a S&W's trigger hinge both block rearward trigger movement, which is necessary to prevent their trigger bars from moving backwards and releasing their sears in the event they are dropped muzzle up.

The P320's trigger pulls its trigger bar forward to release the sear. In theory, the part of the trigger below the trigger pivot pin has less mass/force than the combination of the part of the trigger above the pivot pin, the trigger bar, and the force of the trigger bar spring. In that case, dropping a P320 with the muzzle up should result in the trigger bar being pushed back, which is opposite of the direction it would need to move to release the sear.

While a trigger-blocking safety could be installed in the P320, it seems like it might be better to actually fix the safety system to operate as originally designed.

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gc70 said:
A Glock's trigger bar and a S&W's trigger hinge both block rearward trigger movement, which is necessary to prevent their trigger bars from moving backwards and releasing their sears in the event they are dropped muzzle up.

The P320's trigger pulls its trigger bar forward to release the sear. In theory, the part of the trigger below the trigger pivot pin has less mass/force than the combination of the part of the trigger above the pivot pin, the trigger bar, and the force of the trigger bar spring. In that case, dropping a P320 with the muzzle up should result in the trigger bar being pushed back, which is opposite of the direction it would need to move to release the sear.

While a trigger-blocking safety could be installed in the P320, it seems like it might be better to actually fix the safety system to operate as originally designed.

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Much more eloquently put than I could have, that is exactly what I meant. I do know they said the sig didnt need to trigger safety for those reasons, but yep it looks like it does not work as intended.
 
Love2shoot said:
Much more eloquently put than I could have, that is exactly what I meant. I do know they said the sig didnt need to trigger safety for those reasons, but yep it looks like it does not work as intended.
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I have a nasty suspicion that somebody at SIG might have focused on solving complaints about 'trigger sting' while forgetting about how the more massive new 'adverse trigger' might unbalance the system.

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