If you were closer, you could try out my M&Ps. Two have Apex trigger upgrades, and the triggers are sweet. They have a different feel than Glock in my hands. Ergos much better for me, but everybody's hands are different.
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If you were closer, you could try out my M&Ps. Two have Apex trigger upgrades, and the triggers are sweet. They have a different feel than Glock in my hands. Ergos much better for me, but everybody's hands are different.
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Shameless plug, I just happen to have the perfect new Gen 4 G19 for you in the classifieds.
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This^^^. Financially the Grok makes more sense, but if you already like your Shield, I'm thinking you will love the full size M+P with Apex trigger upgrades. Soft shooting, ergos are about as good as a CZ and super reliable. And made in the US of A.
Do you normally go without pants?I will handle a m&p. I LOVE my shield. I shoot it very well imo. If I have pants on the pistol is with me. And if no pants it's very close at hand
I say mp pro gen 1 unless a gen 2 is in the wings...
Then again I'm having a hard time keeping both a 17 and a 19 I think a mpc and a pro 5" with a apex goodies
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HK VP9. I just bought one last month. No issues and a great shooter!
The CZ 75d PCR is a nice feeling gun. If I didn't already have the 75b it would be on the list to seriously look at.
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My last 3 leather rigs have been for the PCR with several more before that. It's getting popular.
Are you counting the matching pair for me and Mrs Draco as one or two lol.
Just fyi, my wifes friend just bought a new PCR and I am going to forward your contact info to her.
It was the P01 for me...you know, the same gun minus loaded chamber indicator plus accessory rail lol.To be honest the PCR is the gun that caused me to start getting rid of my Glock.
Got rid of a slew of Springfields, H&K's, Smiths and others...
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To be fair, I should say draco had a part in this by him purchasing the p01 and talking all about it to me. Then I happened to get a heck of a deal on the PCR. Shortly after, glocks have disappeared.
Ummmm...sorry?
Ok, not really lol
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+1 And to play devil's advocate why do M&P and CZ manufacturers make you put another $100+ into a new pistol to get a decent trigger? Must be great marketing, no?
To compare any da/sa fcg to a striker fcg is apples and oranges.
CZ does not require extra money for a really good trigger. Just shoot it a few hundred rounds, which you should be doing anyway with any edc via practicing with it. The trigger smooths up very nicely.
A lot of guys, including myself, customize their guns to suit them.
But, a CZ does not require extra money and work on the gun to have a good fcg.
I will agree, as far as striker actions go, the VP9 has one of the best out of the box fcg's on the market. The PPQ is the other.
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Whether they are SA or DA is another discussion. Still, why do new guns need to go back to a custom shop or to the gunsmith to improve? I don't think I've ever seen a comment lately on CZs or Smiths that were what was acceptable out of the box. Maybe I missed those remarks. Again, I'm getting curiouser.
As a followup I've got quite a few CZs, all bought used after custom shop visits, and they are as cool as the cat's nuts.
My SR P01 omega came with a great trigger out of the box. It's not as nice as my CGW pro package installed P01, but it's good.Whether they are SA or DA is another discussion. Still, why do new guns need to go back to a custom shop or to the gunsmith to improve? I don't think I've ever seen a comment lately on CZs or Smiths that were what was acceptable out of the box. Maybe I missed those remarks. Again, I'm getting curiouser.
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Yes, you're right. When they intro'd the Omega's with the P07, and the adjustments, it did provide an fcg that was really unique.
I had a stock PCR with a good trigger. It was decent new, and after about 500 rounds and bunch of dry fire is was just fine. It also seems like everything except 1911's and revolvers seem to have a pretty decent aftermarket trigger upgrade market. But at least some of the manufacturers are making new guns with nice triggers more often now.
Those were the "several more before that". lol Just give her my email. It's the best way to catch me.
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Neither make you do anything. S&W has great marketing power.
CZ's marketing was almost completely non-existent until very recently, but it is still very small and they do not market after-market products.
CZ Custom and Cajun Gun Work are just small businesses and get 99% of their business from word of mouth (online postings) and so I would say their is some social network marketing there.
Glock has the best marketing by far.
Whether they are SA or DA is another discussion. Still, why do new guns need to go back to a custom shop or to the gunsmith to improve? I don't think I've ever seen a comment lately on CZs or Smiths that were what was acceptable out of the box. Maybe I missed those remarks. Again, I'm getting curiouser.
I've seen plenty of CZ's people use out of the box.
No CZ I am aware of "needs to go back to a custom shop". Literally brazillions of CZ-75's have been used by police and military over decades that were all bone stock out of the box. Same for S&W. A lot of performance mods for competition guns have trickled down to regular hobbyist guns.
But with a CZ, they also have a range of guns for carry and competition that beg to be hot rodded. Because for some money you can have an absolutely sweet trigger and action.
They get hot rodded for the same reason a Camaro or a Glock does. Make it smoother, faster, better looking.
Lets face it: the money being spent on Glock modifications outweighs CZ/SW mods (don't know why these two are even in same category, lol) probably like 1,000 to 1.
Glocks are fun to throw money at, too! But you get a nice CZ in your hand, and it's clear its the kinda girl you want to keep and spend money on. Compared to old butter face wallflower Grok over there.....Heh.
I don't know, I like CZ's and Groks!
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Well guys thanks for all the great in put. I was leaning towards the G19. BUT I made the mistake of handling a 1911. At one time I had 16 different 1911s( Kimber, rock island, sti, Springfield and others). I got rid of most of them. I still have 2 but they live at my dad's house. I still have holsters and several mags for the 1911. I'm trying to talk myself out of it but it looks like I'm going back to the 1911..... There just nothing like a 1911
For the op. Go to a range that rents guns try out the ones that fit your hands ,shoot them and then make you choice. Every body has their opinions ,But you know what they say about opinions.
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CZ pistols are some of the best guns made. The issue for most is which one because the number of handguns is big. Triggers are good. I have mainly Glocks but I will put my Canik TP9SF against anything I own. Best value and shooting pistol I have. $345 will get you everything needed- holster, cleaning rod, brush, case, and mags. Great gun.
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I have no issue with CZ and the CZ fans are some of the biggest supporters around. But - in my hands my Canik TP9SF Elite will out-shoot anything else. It has one hell of a trigger and very short reset.
I have put over 500 rounds in the last 2 weeks through my P10 C and have had not one hiccup! All different types of ammo, my friend just purchased a HK VP 9 and we shot both back to back and the P10 trigger was better but a bit snappy, compared to the HK VP 9. I will tell you that a HK VP 9 is in my near future [emoji3]!
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The p10c is a great shooter. I have exactly 500rds through mine with no issues. My one complaint though, is that the trigger gives me a blister on my trigger finger after long range sessions. I've never gotten a blister from extended sessions with my g19s, so not sure why the CZ rubs my finger that wrong way.
Outside of blisters, the CZ has a lot going for it vs a g19, but I'd still recommend a g19 over the p10c. For me, I'm just too used to shooting glocks and there's way too much after market support to ignore the g19. Mags for the p10c aren't bad at $30-35 a pop, but g19 mags are $20 and much more available. I haven't yet come across a set of tritium sights yet for the p10c. You can't go to a local gun shop and not trip over night sight options for 9mm glocks.
I'm debating whether or not to hold onto the CZ and wait for the after market to catch up, or to just turn it into another glock. With either choice, you can't really go wrong.
Outside of blisters, the CZ has a lot going for it vs a g19, but I'd still recommend a g19 over the p10c. For me, I'm just too used to shooting glocks and there's way too much after market support to ignore the g19. Mags for the p10c aren't bad at $30-35 a pop, but g19 mags are $20 and much more available. I haven't yet come across a set of tritium sights yet for the p10c. You can't go to a local gun shop and not trip over night sight options for 9mm glocks.
I'm debating whether or not to hold onto the CZ and wait for the after market to catch up, or to just turn it into another glock. With either choice, you can't really go wrong.
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I would vote CZ PCR. That being said, my next pistol will probably be a glock 19 set up with optics. Not to replace the PCR as my carry gun, but I just don't have a G19. Gotta get 'em all!
I received mine last week! It's awesome, thanks again!!
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I would get a 40 cal Glock, 23 or 22,
and a 9mm conversion barrel and extractor. Then if you ever get a hankering for 40 or 357 you're set. A 9mm Glock will always be a 9mm. Also you can train with 9 and carry the bigger cal, not that you wouldn't train some with that too.
and a 9mm conversion barrel and extractor. Then if you ever get a hankering for 40 or 357 you're set. A 9mm Glock will always be a 9mm. Also you can train with 9 and carry the bigger cal, not that you wouldn't train some with that too.
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What he said except in an M&P....at least that's what I did.
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That's exactly what I'm about to do myself in 5...4...3...2
What's more you can do reloads for both .40, .357, and 9.
I personally could go out and buy this or that gun but, I have decided to keep the M&P series because I can do all 3 calibers I reload for and don't have to spend money on a new holster or 3 for each gun and mags, we won't even discuss that lol
