Raleigh Road Rage

Around here it's guys in souped-up diesels passing groups of bikers "blowing coal" all over them (is that what they call it? git r dun).

Usually a few fall down and I have to stop and help; happens all the time.

The driver in this video appears to be entirely at fault.
 
SPST said:
What's that got to do with this moron running over 2 bikes?
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I value my life so when I ride a bike, even though I may have right of way I move over and let them pass. I have a rudimentary understanding of physics and know I will lose.

IF I was riding a motorcycle I would not challenge someone in a 5000 pound vehicle that could just run me over.

For that matter, I try to avoid trouble/confrontation whenever possible...people are crazy!

Don't get me wrong the guy in car is the criminal here and I think he should be charged with attempted murder!!!
 
Was the first bike "challenging" anyone or just riding slow in the left lane? Looked to me like the car just flat ran over him from behind and then the others chased and challenged the car.
 
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Was the first bike "challenging" anyone or just riding slow in the left lane? Looked to me like the car just flat ran over him from behind and then the others chased and challenged the car.
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not sure...the point of the thread was supposed to be how crazy the car driver was...the challenge was an afterthought when I saw the second person kick the car then get run over...I can see how the first post looks like I am victim blaming though..
 
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I remember having some idiot on his "donor cycle" aggressively tailgating me one morning. All it took was a quick tap of the brakes and he saw the gravity of his situation. He smartly changed lanes and passed.

Now bicycle riders, especially in areas like Chapel Hill, they're just a special kind if stupid.
 
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Never see bikes around Midland too much anymore. They've learned to stay off the highways, and the "scenic byway" that is the main road to my house has some 'bike memorials' along the side of the road.
 
Full Disclosure: I didn't watch the video. But I'm pretty sure I've heard this story before.

What's missing from our roadways is called "courteous driving." It is likely compounded by ignorance and/or disregard for traffic laws.

Does the bike have as much right to use a public road as a car or semi? Yep.
Regardless of your type of vehicle, is it courteous to ignore every opportuniy to move aside and let others pass when you are incapable/too scared to go the speed limit or prevailing traffic speed? Nope.
Is it legal or courteous to tailgait, honk, pass unsafely, intimidate, or send obscene gestures to others on the road just because you're impatient? Is it anyone else's fault YOU are late for YOUR appointments? Nope.
If someone engages in rude/unsafe behavior around you but doesn't cause any physical damage to you or your vehicle, is it justifiable to "go after them" for revenge? Nope.
Are you the center of the universe when you're in front of other vehicles? Nope.
Are you the center of the universe when you are behind other vehicles? Nope.

Knowing/obeying traffic laws and courteous driving are key factors in road safety.
 
Not motor cycle related but, while attending school I saw several bicycle accidents all of which were caused by riders not following simple traffic rules. My favorite was a guy who blew through a stop light and was creamed. He then tried to play the victim once the police arrived but I was more than happy to stay and give them my statement proving otherwise.


The video of the driver running over the motor cyclist is unfortunate but he had to have been provoked. He definitely shouldn’t have ran them over but I’m betting the group riding together weren’t exactly out for a Sunday cruise.
 
Stateguy said:
Not motor cycle related but, while attending school I saw several bicycle accidents all of which were caused by riders not following simple traffic rules. My favorite was a guy who blew through a stop light and was creamed. He then tried to play the victim once the police arrived but I was more than happy to stay and give them my statement proving otherwise.
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I mentioned them being a special kind of stupid in Chapel Hill. They routinely blow through stop signs, jump between the sidewalk and road, turn in front of and cut off traffic, ride in the oncoming lanes, and cross divided medians where it's not an intersection.
 
Infamous1 said:
I think bicycles should pay highway tax and have tags to heve the same rights as motorists.
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Don't forget that most of these cyclists are riding $3,000 - $7,000 dollar bikes so this is not a way to get to a store or work. Most of them if not all own cars and therefore pay as much taxes as you do to be on said roads and by law they do have the same rights as motorists with the exception of certain places they cannot go like thruways. They just like motorists should obey the rules of the road and be Courteous in letting cars pass with the safety of all involved.
 
GoWolfpack said:
How much do I need to pay in taxes before I have the right to not be run over?

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So what exactly are you getting at here ? What happens when you cause an accident on the road with your un insured bike ? Sorry but if you are going to play block traffic on a surface street and demand the same rights. You deserve to pay the same fees i.e. insurance, road use taxes, inspections, and registration...
 
DrDover said:
So what exactly are you getting at here ? What happens when you cause an accident on the road with your un insured bike ? Sorry but if you are going to play block traffic on a surface street and demand the same rights. You deserve to pay the same fees i.e. insurance, road use taxes, inspections, and registration...
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Bicycles aren't blocking traffic. They are traffic.

Some people are totally comfortable threatening my life all because my choice of leisure activity delays their drive for a few minutes.

And you don't know anything about how much I pay in taxes.
 
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One Friday afternoon right at 5 pm , while I was on my way down I85 in Burlington, from some service calls down east. A sea green Honda Civic came off the ramp at Hwy 62 and immediately slid to the far left lane and slowed to 55 mph directly in front of me. Needless to say, all the people in that lane that normally is moving along somewhere over 65 mph, or even up as far as 80 mph on a Friday evening, were a bit miffed. This lady found a partner and happily drove along beside them at a leisurely legal pace. You can imagine what this did to traffic flow. Someone even tried to pass me in the grass on my left, but gave up when they found it a bit slippery. I started flashing my lights and later blowing the horn like all the people were doing behind me. The lady in front of me did the single hand five five back at me. I responded with a slightly angry double handed eleven. :) She eventually exited near Greensboro and traffic resumed. When I got to my exit I noticed that the normally jamb packed traffic at 5:45 was bumper to bumper as far back as I could see. I told myself that I should have called the HP guys. Fast forward to about a month later. I was having breakfast and reading the paper and noticed a photo of a wreck on I85 in Burlington. The photo showed a big rig and what was left of a sea green Honda Civic sticking out from the rear of the trailer. The driver stated that he was in the far left lane when the Honda came out of nowhere and seemed to stop in front of him. The lady died at the scene of course. So, what have we learned? It taught me to ALWAYS be patient or you might just wind up killing some mentally challenged person. This guy who ran over the bikers probably had had enough of the show that was being put on. Still no reason to harm anyone. Just be patient. It goes away eventually. Let karma take care of it, it always does. IF you're patient. :) Those of you who want to discuss traffic law while you're bleeding and scared because of a few compound fractures, should be a bit patient too. Just saying. Try thinking to yourselves "Yielding is living, yielding is living, YIELDING is LIVING." Adjust that to your pedal stroke. Just think of the fine cardio and be patient. ok?...ok.
 
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I have a coworker who every day would get behind this idiot lady in her white Prius who would watch the efficiency gauge rather than the speedometer. One day he leaned out the window and yelled, “Go the speed limit!”. The idiot was visibly startled but did speed up.
 
GoWolfpack said:
How much do I need to pay in taxes before I have the right to not be run over?

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Thagt depends. Are you a Republican or a Democrat?* :p:p

Seriously, though, you're right: bicycles are traffic. I have ridden on the road consciously & carefully and had several very close calls. I have also driven around @$$hole bicyclists who are no better than the yoots who saunter down the middle of the street.

The distinction is that, though bicycle pilots are subject to ALL the same rules as auto drivers, they are rarely held to the same standard of accountability, by LE or insurance co's or public opinion. If I go around cars on the sidewalk in my truck then cut in front in the middle of an intersection, it won't be long before I get pulled, ticketed, fined, and have my rates go up - and rightfully so. However, I see bicyclists do this almost every single day with ZERO repercusion (other than my questionably effective East European Descendant muttered hexes). The list of bicyclists' absolutely illegal behavior is endless, yet, if you in a car or truck collide with a bicyclist who ran a red light at 20mph while jumping from the sidewalk to middle of a crosswalk, oh! the Poor Rider was harmed by the Evil Driver! Unloseable Lawsuit Ahoy!!

Am I lumping all bicyclists together? Yep. Kinda the same way bicyclists lump all auto traffic together. You know: "Not Me, so Stupid and Bad." Sweeping Generalities; it's the human way.

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* If you're a Socialist, you're entitled to a free bicycle and a monthly check for obeying 10% or more of the rules of the road. Unless that's inconvenient; then the check will be issued anyway.
 
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I live outside of the city and have to deal with bike riders all of the time. Some weekends it looks like the stinking Tour de France on the way into town. I hate them, except for the girls in Spandex (one of DuPont's greatest gifts to mankind) riding shorts and tops, I will gladly ride behind them all the way into town.

That said, I have never thought to run one off of the road, hit them or anything else. I will typically take the opportunity to launch into a more or less profane soliloquy, depending on my mood, but I don't even crowd them in case they hit a rock, crack in the pavement or whatever. If they want to end up being a very in shape. corpse that is there business. I just don't want to be the one to fulfill there wishes.

Motorcycles, I have a lot of friends that ride and wish I had the time, but I am too busy trying to blow myself in my reloading room, and that is a full time avocation. Anyway, at least half of them have had to put their bike down because of inattentive car drivers. They ride safe, but then they are older and far more "in tune" with their mortality than the average 20 something year old. Anyway, I don't have a beef with motorcyclists, but bike riders - oh yeah! (unless she's cute).

But the one that really killed me was the 3 guys I saw roller blading on the road on the way to a match at Deep River. They were wearing the little Spandex suits too and actually drafting each other like it was Olympic speed skating. CREEPY. There has to be a line somewhere.
 
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I put a clip on ponytail on my bicycle helmet. It seems to work. I don't get near as many close calls or yelled at with it. I've had cars purposely try to run me over in the bike lane! And as far as blowing through red lights on a bicycle, I don't think so. The law of averages will catch up to you doing that. A 17lb bike is no match for a 3k lb car.
 
I hesitate to share my car vs bike experience. (Disclaimer: I'm a motorcyclist myself although I haven't owned one in a few years)

Cliff notes:
-Biker riding my ass (couldn't even see front tire in mirror)

-Does not back off after several attempts and hand gestures to go around.

-my fuse burns down and I decide to stop and see what his deal is

-biker doesn't want to

-I open my door and he proceeds to plow into it and knocks it all the way forward into the fender

-he lays it down and goes sliding

-turns out billy-bad-ass biker is a military helicopter emergency medical technician or something. (Legit hero in other words)

-I felt bad

-he learned lesson.

My flame suits on. Have at it.
 
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Not another one of these threads. Yes, the driver of the car is a douche for hitting the first bike and not stopping. The second bike later in the video where the rider is kicking the passenger side of the car while moving? That's a special kind of stupid right there.

I'd just about bet those bikes were messing with that car because of something the driver did. Couldn't just get a license number and call it in later when it's safe.

I've been riding bikes all of my adult life, 54, and I know to keep my head on a swivel and avoid cars and trucks like the plague.
 
concepthomes1 said:
They are traffic nuisances. They create backups on already dangerous country roads that for the most part, consist of narrower than current code lane widths. Pedal bikes average a speed of 6-12 mph......Let that sink in.

Except for certain roads inside village or town limits, the minimum speed for motor vehicles is 35 mph; country roads are predominately 45-55 mph. Throw is a curve where the safe speed is 35 mph, then place a cyclist at the middle of that curve and a F250 coming up behind the cyclist. Make the time of day noon in the summer and with full vegetation, the truck driver will most likely NOT see the cyclist until they are both exiting the curve. Consider what happens next....on your hospital bed.

It's quite inconsiderate the expect a motor vehicle to A)see you at all times, B)sit behind you at the average 6-12 mph or C)not attempt to pass you at the soonest possible time.

Also, why do you think fast food places explicitly prohibit serving patrons on foot or a bike at the drive thru window?
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You lost credibilty right at the beginning with your 6-12 mph numbers. With my Titanium bike (old) and 40 something year old body I was averaging about 17mph when I was riding. Younger, fitter and more technologically advanced riders move a lot faster than I did. My 11 year old can do better than 6-12 mph!
 
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You lost credibilty right at the beginning with your 6-12 mph numbers. With my Titanium bike (old) and 40 something year old body I was averaging about 17mph when I was riding. Younger, fitter and more technologically advanced riders move a lot faster than I did. My 11 year old can do better than 6-12 mph!
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I still average 18-20 for 60 miles at 58 years old And what is @concepthomes1 doing complaining about being held up in traffic? Isn't he a self proclaimed left lane bandit?
 
concepthomes1 said:
You know it! I'm fighting for the lesser class still living in 1987 and staying the right lane.

But that thought aside, your 18-20 mph still impedes the flow of traffic from a safety standpoint.
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Nope. Not on the roads I ride. I mostly stay in bike lanes these days and people in cars still try to block me. I also don't do the big group rides anymore and if you can't safely get around 1 bicycle in a few seconds, you shouldn't be driving to begin with.
 
I work in Chapel Hill and fish the Jordan/Harris lake area. I see alot of bicycle idiocy. The 5+ wide refusal to move over on a curvy country road in my opinion is the worst/ most dangerous. Some guys obey the highway rules, and haul butt down the road but they are the minority.
 
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It's quite inconsiderate the expect a motor vehicle to A)see you at all times, B)sit behind you at the average 6-12 mph or C)not attempt to pass you at the soonest possible time.
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Which is why it was a good thing when common sense got codified into statute they it's permissible to cross the double yellow to pass them. Of course without this being codified government agents would be using this as an opportunity for a revenue collection stop regardless of the true safety aspect, which is probably what brought it to a head in the legislature.
 
Gspec said:
I hesitate to share my car vs bike experience. (Disclaimer: I'm a motorcyclist myself although I haven't owned one in a few years)

Cliff notes:
-Biker riding my ass (couldn't even see front tire in mirror)

-Does not back off after several attempts and hand gestures to go around.

-my fuse burns down and I decide to stop and see what his deal is

-biker doesn't want to

-I open my door and he proceeds to plow into it and knocks it all the way forward into the fender

-he lays it down and goes sliding

-turns out billy-bad-ass biker is a military helicopter emergency medical technician or something. (Legit hero in other words)

-I felt bad

-he learned lesson.

My flame suits on. Have at it.
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Were you still rolling when you opened the door? If so you belong in jail.
 
J R Green said:
Were you still rolling when you opened the door? If so you belong in jail.
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Nope. I was stopped in park and in the process of climbing out.

Edit: probably not a legit car vs bike story, more like bike vs inanimate object.
 
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