Red Flag Laws in Real Time

The Internet based media has been busy trying to spread the word that this was a DV issue and not a RF one. The problem I have with that is what I'll call the police credibility gap. We know, because they've flat out admitted it, that they can, will, and do lie if they think it's in their interests. The thing is that trust is funny like that. Once it's been broken it is neigh on impossible to get it back and it will never be 100% ever again. In this case, I would even expect them to lie under the premise that it may dissuade others from rising up against them in the future.

Sorry, Police, but you can't be trusted and we don't trust you due to your own earned reputation.

DrScaryGuy said:
Honestly I didn't know that blocking devices, which would be a felony for us regular civilians to use, were so small, cheap, ready-to-use, and readily available to LEO these
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Somehow the idea that "law enforcement" would have tools, devices, privileges, etc that are prohibited to those they are supposed to serve strikes me as being in total opposition to the founding principles of this nation. On several occasions I have argued that standing police are a violation of the constitutional and other principles. This is a practical example of why I believe having standing police is a violation. The antidote is to return justice to being a function of The People and not the State.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
Despite the fact that it well documented to have happened a number of times, a lot of people aren't even aware that it is possible. I've seen a few news stories where they just stated something like "cell services were unavailable". It's concerning to me because either the news is complicit, or they are shirking THEIR duties to report what happened because the gov't is imposing a blackout and they're not fighting it.

Granted, "our" people pay more attention to this sort of thing than the general public, but it doesn't hurt to preach to the choir once in a while. Honestly I didn't know that blocking devices, which would be a felony for us regular civilians to use, were so small, cheap, ready-to-use, and readily available to LEO these days...
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Until relatively recently, (5 yrs?) they were easy to buy here too . Yes, mailorder, yes, not mainstream, but pretty easily bought.

As long as one remembers that there's laws for us groundlings, and a different set for the ruling class, this all makes sense.
 
YeeHaa said:
Auh YES!
Taken out of context, if you will, I have included the complete statement here with the Bold representing the part you forgot to include.
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I stand by my statement. Debatable.
 
SPM said:
They are not your friends. Not a single one.

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They are the armed muscle of the political establishment.
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... over a 30 round magazine that was perfectly normal and legal right there a few months ago.
 
bigfelipe said:
Likely we'll never hear the whole truth...
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There are three versions of the truth.

His
Theirs
Media


Most likely they’re all bullshit
 
Something I read today that really hits the nail on the head. This guy says it the best I think I have ever seen it explained, and explains exactly why I am not anti-cop, but pro-Liberty. For me the systemic violations of Rights didn't need to reach the gun line, but the Fourth Amendment line, the First Amendment line, the Fifth Amendment line, habeas corpus, etc. For some of you, it did.

But this is why shit has to be stopped early, so it doesn't get to where we seem intent of plowing headlong into.

Dimitri Karras of Firearms Unknown so eloquently stated:
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So two things have become apparent to me due to yesterday’s kerfuffle:

1. I don’t have the foggiest clue about what happened in NY or why. There’s so much conflicting info that it’s impossible to tell what the truth is from across the country.

2. There’s a LOT of people willing to get in a shootout with cops who try to enforce unconstitutional gun laws. People were literally mobilizing because they thought cops were trying to red flag a vet.

If I was a cop, I would spend some time soul searching. People seem to be at the absolute brink with this, and the excuse of just doing Muh job isn’t going to clean your soul. You’re going to have to pick a side, probably sooner than you think.

Read the whole post here: https://www.firearmsunknown.com/blo...oogaloo-that-wasnt-controlling-the-narrative/
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Control the narrative, (somewhat) control or at least heavily influence subsequent events.

How many of you have heard of the Boston Massacre? How many of you know that a mob full of thugs and malcontents attacked law enforcement that night with snowballs, clubs, rocks, and insults prior to any shots being fired? How many of you knew that the volley was tagged, not ordered, and was the result of the crowd yelling "Fire, damn you! Fire!" and not the commander of the guard?

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How many clubs, snowballs, and rocks do you see in the above woodcut that accompanied the story about the event that appeared in newspapers on both sides of the Atlantic?

And how many see a well-regulated volley by professional men at arm's into a poor, defenseless crowd?

Paul Revere, Samuel Adams, Joseph Warren and the other Sons of Liberty controlled the narrative of the event masterfully....so masterfully that it's still the same version of the event we laud as a harbinger of the Revolution.

Control the narrative, (somewhat) control or at least heavily influence subsequent events......
 
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Controlling the narrative is everything. There is a reason we have a Psychological Battalion in the military.

A few years ago, I saw and read a couple of documentaries that influenced my beliefs on what is happening today. I don't remember exactly which documentaries they were, so I've had trouble referencing them for others. Put your tin hat on ....

As I have said before, there is an active war going on to influence and sway the hearts and minds of the American public. I also believe this is being driven by a very few and specically one organizaion. I also believe they control most of the public media today. So, I just did a cursory search of the topic and came up with this article that I think sums it up...



A single organization controls almost everything you see, hear, and read in the media and they’ve been handpicking your leaders for decades.

29 Jan 2018 – It is no secret that over the last 4 decades, mainstream media has been consolidated from dozens of competing companies to only six. Hundreds of channels, websites, news outlets, newspapers, and magazines, making up ninety percent of all media is controlled by very few people—giving Americans the illusion of choice.


While six companies controlling most everything the Western world consumes in regard to media may sound like a sinister arrangement, the Swiss Propaganda Research center (SPR) has just released information that is even worse.

The research group was able to tie all these media companies to a single organization—the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).


As SPR points out, Richard Harwood, former managing editor and ombudsman of the Washington Post, wrote about the Council on Foreign Relations Recognizing that its members most likely correspond to what one might call the “ruling establishment of the United States.”


Harwood continued, “The membership of these journalists in the council, however they may think of themselves, is an acknowledgment of their active and important role in public affairs and of their ascension into the American ruling class. They do not merely analyze and interpret foreign policy for the United States; they help make it.”


Let that sink in. This group of unaccountable, unelected, professional propagandists in America doesn’t simply analyze US government policy—they make it.


While only five percent of the members of CFR work within the media, as SPR points out that is all they need to implement the will of its other members that includes:


  • several US presidents and vice presidents of both parties;
  • almost all foreign, defense and finance ministers;
  • most chiefs of staff and commanders of the US military and NATO;
  • nearly all National Security Advisers, CIA Directors, UN Ambassadors, Fed Chairmen, World Bank Presidents, and Directors of the National Economic Council;
  • some of the most influential members of Congress (especially foreign and security politicians);
  • numerous media managers and top journalists, as well as some of the most famous actors;
  • numerous prominent academics, especially in the key areas of economics, international relations, political and historical sciences, and journalism;
  • numerous executives from think tanks, universities, NGOs, and Wall Street;
  • and key members of the 9/11 Commission and the Warren Commission (JFK)

https://www.transcend.org/tms/2018/...relations-controls-most-all-mainstream-media/



Hillary Clinton Brags about Getting Her Marching Orders from the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)

While Clinton herself is not an official member of the CFR, her affiliations with the organization are abundantly clear as she herself admits. On July 15, 2009, Clinton spoke to the Washington DC satellite facility of the CFR where she stated,


"I am delighted to be here in these new headquarters. I have been often to, I guess, the mother ship in New York City, but it’s good to have an outpost of the Council right here down the street from the State Department.

We get a lot of advice from the Council, so this will mean I won’t have as far to go to be told what we should be doing and how we should think about the future."


https://www.globalresearch.ca/hilla...-the-council-on-foreign-relations-cfr/5504999


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georgel said:
As I have said before, there is an active war going on to influence and sway the hearts and minds of the American public. I also believe this is being driven by a very few and specically one organizaion. I also believe they control most of the public media today. So, I just did a cursory search of the topic and came up with this article that I think sums it up...
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Sort of going off topic, but this is very plausible. Anyone paying attention to the impeachment “Schiff” show, in particular looking at the evidence and the players rather than the slice that the media is trying to convince you is the narrative knows this. There is an unholy trifecta centered around the State Dept. involving unelected bureaucrats and their monied handlers.

This is on topic in that we’re seeing their tactics being deployed in real time to try to control events like this. They know the People are pissed off and waking up. The fact that people mobilized in order to stop “law enforcement” is telling and I guarantee you were going to see more of it and unless the “left” and the govt. back off and reform it’s going to get nasty.

What this incident has also told anyone paying attention is that you need communications beyond your ISP and it’s related services and Verizon. You need both physical channels of communication and ways of using those channels to securely convey information in a compromised environment.

Control the narrative. We’ve been hearing that phrase in Regressive circles since before 0bozo the anointed one. Get some news beyond the US media. Use Tor or a VPN to make your location appear outside of the US. Use search engines other than Google. Read parts of the dark web. Look beyond the official narrative.
 
concepthomes1 said:
Man, this thread was going really well until this flood of oddly formatted sensationalism dropped in.
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He’s got a sense of humor that is easy to misunderstand. I said that unless the “left” backs off, which they won’t, that it’s going to go sideways. He responded with some a John Wick scenes of idiots getting what they deserve.
 
noway2 said:
He’s got a sense of humor that is easy to misunderstand. I said that unless the “left” backs off, which they won’t, that it’s going to go sideways. He responded with some a John Wick scenes of idiots getting what they deserve.
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Oh... Ok.
:D
 
georgel said:
Oh... Ok.
:D
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Like me, he sees things differently than most people. It’s a technical mind thing. Having gotten to know him a little bit, I understand, and often agree with, his point of view and appreciate it in ways I didn’t before getting to know him.
 
OK, I got it, though my post wasn't directed your way, my post was also not well directed or written :) . Let me try again. I'm not fully caffeinated so this one may not be much better.

Cell service be shut down (it's a machine, a call from the right person in .GOV/ LEO and a switch can be turned off) but it's also a trivially easy surveillance machine.

Spend a couple minutes looking up "HARRIS STINGRAY". This is a relatively inexpensive (for .gov) machine that spoofs being a cell tower...intercepts calls, dumps all the data, then relays the info onto the REAL cell service, without you knowing it. They're in use in the US without warrants, by particularly sleazy LEOs (Funded by grants from the Brownshirts at DHS) . The can vacuum your texts, voice and location without you knowing about it (or being able to do anything about it).

Disabling cells? If LEO can capture your cell transmission (by mimicking being the most accessible cell in your area), instead of relaying your transmission off to the next tower after stealing your data, it could just as easily transmit into a dummy load, essentially silencing your cell access.



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Jamming or turning off the cell service is MUCH easier than doing what Harris Corp provides LEO with the Stingray tool.

Jammers for phones..... http://www.cellphonejammersales.com/


Illegal ? In US yes.... and only a credit card away.






DrScaryGuy said:
Despite the fact that it well documented to have happened a number of times, a lot of people aren't even aware that it is possible. I've seen a few news stories where they just stated something like "cell services were unavailable". It's concerning to me because either the news is complicit, or they are shirking THEIR duties to report what happened because the gov't is imposing a blackout and they're not fighting it.

Granted, "our" people pay more attention to this sort of thing than the general public, but it doesn't hurt to preach to the choir once in a while. Honestly I didn't know that blocking devices, which would be a felony for us regular civilians to use, were so small, cheap, ready-to-use, and readily available to LEO these days...
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JohnFreeman said:
OK, I got it, though my post wasn't directed your way, my post was also not well directed or written :) . Let me try again. I'm not fully caffeinated so this one may not be much better.

Cell service be shut down (it's a machine, a call from the right person in .GOV/ LEO and a switch can be turned off) but it's also a trivially easy surveillance machine.

Spend a couple minutes looking up "HARRIS STINGRAY". This is a relatively inexpensive (for .gov) machine that spoofs being a cell tower...intercepts calls, dumps all the data, then relays the info onto the REAL cell service, without you knowing it. They're in use in the US without warrants, by particularly sleazy LEOs (Funded by grants from the Brownshirts at DHS) . The can vacuum your texts, voice and location without you knowing about it (or being able to do anything about it).

Disabling cells? If LEO can capture your cell transmission (by mimicking being the most accessible cell in your area), instead of relaying your transmission off to the next tower after stealing your data, it could just as easily transmit into a dummy load, essentially silencing your cell access.



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Jamming or turning off the cell service is MUCH easier than doing what Harris Corp provides LEO with the Stingray tool.

Jammers for phones..... http://www.cellphonejammersales.com/


Illegal ? In US yes.... and only a credit card away.
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There's two of those in the state of NC...they're may be more, just saying.
 
noway2 said:
He’s got a sense of humor that is easy to misunderstand. I said that unless the “left” backs off, which they won’t, that it’s going to go sideways. He responded with some a John Wick scenes of idiots getting what they deserve.
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You're spot on Noway.

The "Left" got their "Unconstitutional" RFL and along comes Mr. Booth ( Right , Wrong, or Indifferent ) to cite such Law(?) and supporters arrive to, assist.
In both Bundy & ( now ) Booth the gov't types were Schiffing their britches when help arrived.
So, how do I know they were Soiling their Depends?
Was I at either event?
NO, however it is reasonable to understand the reaction of a person in a position to enforce "Unconstitutional Law" when armed help arrives.
So I've got "BIA" not approving of my perceived future reaction if the "LEFT" ( funded a great deal by SOROS ) does not stop cooking the Frog.
At first I thought the Baltars & Winstons were showing up earlier then I thought , can't be because as contrast I also included a pic of "Hong Kongers" Displaying our FLAG.
Surely the "Give them all guns Posse " ( because paperwork is not the law ) wouldn't object to speaking out against a continued slow decline with our Rights.
Yes, if the "Left" keeps "Killing The Dog" & "Cooking The Frog" events will become more confrontational and me being Half Stupid ( IQ , hum 45 ~ 50 ) I can't imagine smarter people not understanding that possible scenario.

Again, some contrast:
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So, I came to the conclusion the Musical Genre was disliked.
Not everyone cares for "Classical Musical Scores."

I have discovered some music that others may like more, enjoy.

Wick Gamer


Wick Country


Wick Spanish




Hear her again for the First Time;
Gradually Disarm




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FWIW


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