Rittenhouse self defense analysis

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Legal experts see strong self-defense claim for Rittenhouse

When Kyle Rittenhouse goes on trial Monday for shooting three men during street protests in Wisconsin last summer, the case may turn on how Rittenhouse's self-defense claim stacks up against prosecutors' argument that he acted recklessly and dangerously by being on the streets of Kenosha with a rifl
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WI law but interesting analysis. I wasn't well versed in the details of this case when it happened [probably due to slanted media coverage . . .] so good deconstruction here of how the shootees pursued the shooter.
 
demonstrable attempt to flee or evade has a way of validating your self defense claim - in some cases even if you initiated the event and have imperfect self-defense.
It is clear he was trying to run for his life. I don't think anybody has made the claim that he was doing wildly illegal things that would cause average citizens to be able to attempt to chase, take his gun, or kill him.

What we have is a bunch of freaking idiots thinking they were going to check another box on their man card by attacking a doughy kid, but did not fully understand the details of the steaming pile they were trying to stomp in.

The only way this could have gone more according to "should have known better" was if it was a bushmaster rifle instead of an M&P, so that the snake logo could have played into the "don't tread on me" thing.
 
Cowboy said:
funny until Wednesday I didn't even know the trial was upon us all. Seems the MSM doesn't really want this in the public eye.
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They are stoking people up on Twitter...trying to get a riot when this kid gets off.
I was on Twitter watching Kenosha livestreams when this happened. It was beyond clear from the very start that this was without question a self defense encounter.
This is the hill to die on. Mark every so called "right winger" who doesn't stand behind this kid with a not guilty opinion. If they cuck here...you know their true colors.
 
The fact there is video and pictures of the actual event and that they show him being pursued and attacked, should make this pretty clear. But of course attorneys will try to slant everything, hence why we are even having a trial.

I’m not a fan of his, but I certainly hope he gets off without more than an illegal possession by a minor charge.

Edit: the illegal possession by a minor also raises the question of at what age do you have a legal right to self defense. I guess you have a right just not with a firearm?
 
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Jerzsubbie said:
The fact there is video and pictures of the actual event and that they show him being pursued and attacked, should make this pretty clear. But of course attorneys will try to slant everything, hence why we are even having a trial.

I’m not a fan of his, but I certainly hope he gets off without more than an illegal possession by a minor charge.

Edit: the illegal possession by a minor also raises the question of at what age do you have a legal right to self defense. I guess you have a right just not with a firearm?
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i dont see those preconditions written into the 2A
 
Jerzsubbie said:
The fact there is video and pictures of the actual event and that they show him being pursued and attacked, should make this pretty clear. But of course attorneys will try to slant everything, hence why we are even having a trial.

I’m not a fan of his, but I certainly hope he gets off without more than an illegal possession by a minor charge.

Edit: the illegal possession by a minor also raises the question of at what age do you have a legal right to self defense. I guess you have a right just not with a firearm?
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there's a fair argument that he was legally possessing it at the time
 
I do not see how by the definition on Self Defense he should not be declared Not Guilty … but then throw in the Human Element and no telling what a person is going to say because they do not go with legal views but political ones. I might be wrong but I have said all along there will be no verdict here … it’s a mistrial/ hung jury … because each side will have at least one or two jurors (or more) who have their mind made up and will not be swayed. I hope I am wrong because that means the prosecutor can re-file charges and waste more court time, tax payer money and keep Rittenhouse’s life pretty much on hold.
 
NCFubar said:
I do not see how by the definition on Self Defense he should not be declared Not Guilty … but then throw in the Human Element and no telling what a person is going to say because they do not go with legal views but political ones. I might be wrong but I have said all along there will be no verdict here … it’s a mistrial/ hung jury … because each side will have at least one or two jurors (or more) who have their mind made up and will not be swayed. I hope I am wrong because that means the prosecutor can re-file charges and waste more court time, tax payer money and keep Rittenhouse’s life pretty much on hold.
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I agree I'm just wondering how well they will be able to swing the narrative that he showed up "looking for a fight". I hope the best for the kid.
 
Jerzsubbie said:
I’m not a fan of his
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I wouldn't say that I am particularly a fan either, but I am curious if you have a particular objection to him or what he did?
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I agree I'm just wondering how well they will be able to swing the narrative that he showed up "looking for a fight". I hope the best for the kid.
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I keep coming back to what I perceive as a false, but common, perception in current society that the individual has a duty to stand down and do nothing in the face of crime and instead is required to wait for the govt. agents to do something. Defending your own property should be intuitively obvious as being an inherent right. Defending another person's property is a virtuous act.
 
Squanchy said:
I agree I'm just wondering how well they will be able to swing the narrative that he showed up "looking for a fight". I hope the best for the kid.
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this is probably exactly the reason that the defense wanted to be able to use use-of-force experts, knowing that the prosecution would play the emotional angle of a hormone-crazed teen looking for a fight
 
Stogies said:
That's the catch they are indeed going for. Otherwise his case is pretty solid for legitimate self defense.
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I agree just guessing on my part the angle they are trying to work it. Because on video he was obviously attempting to flee. More so than many of us probably would.
 
The sad part about this is that even if Kyle is completely exonerated of all charges, his life is going to be hell for a long, long time.

He'll have to deal with all the SJW backlash which will attempt to destroy his life and livelihood.

He'll have to deal with social media attempts to cancel him in all aspects.

He'll have to deal with threats to his life.

And, just when things settle down for him in a few years...some retarded SJW will drag his name back to the surface again through some "whatever became of" posting, digging up details on his most recent life, location, job, and family and posting it all over the media and social media.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
The sad part about this is that even if Kyle is completely exonerated of all charges, his life is going to be hell for a long, long time.

He'll have to deal with all the SJW backlash which will attempt to destroy his life and livelihood.

He'll have to deal with social media attempts to cancel him in all aspects.

He'll have to deal with threats to his life.

And, just when things settle down for him in a few years...some retarded SJW will drag his name back to the surface again through some "whatever became of" posting, digging up details on his most recent life, location, job, and family and posting it all over the media and social media.
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Yes at very minimum he will need to move and change his name. I'm sure many employers will not want to hire him because of this
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
The sad part about this is that even if Kyle is completely exonerated of all charges, his life is going to be hell for a long, long time.

He'll have to deal with all the SJW backlash which will attempt to destroy his life and livelihood.

He'll have to deal with social media attempts to cancel him in all aspects.

He'll have to deal with threats to his life.

And, just when things settle down for him in a few years...some retarded SJW will drag his name back to the surface again through some "whatever became of" posting, digging up details on his most recent life, location, job, and family and posting it all over the media and social media.
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You're thinking the 00s/1Xx world.
He can make his own podcast, news, review, etc and exist on rumble or other such free speech platforms. he can double down into the gun world and probably make a decent living off of it for at least a while. His name would get him that much. Maybe decent financial planning and he could invest in some to live a modest life after his bubble bursts.
 
Diablos said:
He can preach zombieland rule 1 for sure
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Found some more surveillance video.
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I was just playing the livestream in the background while working and man that prosecutor is getting destroyed by the judge. He makes such ridiculous arguments and the judge simply isn’t having it. The defense only has to chime in 40% of the time and make a coherent counter-argument.

So far, so good.
 
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