sales of rifles and shotguns by individuals

BudE

BudE

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Recently, I've seen here and on other sights demands for a sheriff's permit or a CCW when buying a rifle or shotgun. I think this is just a way of playing into the hands of gun grabbers. Why should we put unnecessary restrictions n our fellow members? The other thing that disturbs me is the demand to go through an FFL. Sometimes we're our own worst enemies.
 
It's a "free market". You are free to not buy from folks whose restrictions you don't like and sellers are free to put whatever conditions they want on their sale. Some people just want to make sure the buyer can legally buy a firearm. Unless you know them personally, how would you really know?
 
My guess is folks do this as a CYA move since ordinary folks don't have access to call in a background check. If you buy a shotgun or rifle from a FFL they are going to run a background check in lieu of a carry permit, some folks like to be extra careful when it comes to lethal weapons.
 
I guess there is a certain comfort level in seeing a CHP when selling a long gun. I believe the requirements are to try to ascertain that the buyer is not disqualified from owning a long gun; i.e., not insane, not a felon, maybe something else I can't remember. If you have a CHP, or a PPP, and you show it to me I believe I can rely on that to have met the requirements. If you don't, I will probably still sell you a long gun if you tell me you are not disqualified from owning one.

If a buyer has a CHP, why would they not show it, as an act of good faith? No recording, no bill of sale, just here it is and it's not expired. (Hell, if it's expired I'd still sell a long gun because you passed a background check recently. Unless of course you were babbling insanely or telling me you needed a gun quick to off your wife's lover(s).)

Edit note: I take bait easily.
 
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dave33 said:
My guess is folks do this as a CYA move since ordinary folks don't have access to call in a background check. If you buy a shotgun or rifle from a FFL they are going to run a background check in lieu of a carry permit, some folks like to be extra careful when it comes to lethal weapons.
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I don't recall seeing such restrictions or concerns from sellers in the knife/blade forum...

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Oneofsix said:
I don't recall seeing such restrictions or concerns from sellers in the knife/blade forum...

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100% true, however those items are not regulated by a federal agency. Kill someone with a knife, chainsaw, axe, who cares. A firearm comes into play and they will trace that as far back as possible. Not saying I agree with it, it just is what it is.
 
Tailhunter said:
Selling guns should be like selling underware, you like it, you buy it.

No permit, no BOS, no BS, no nothing.
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so what you're saying is that when you go to Kohl's to buy used underwear they don't give you a receipt or try to get your to sign up for a Kohl's card?
 
dave33 said:
100% true, however those items are not regulated by a federal agency. Kill someone with a knife, chainsaw, axe, who cares. A firearm comes into play and they will trace that as far back as possible. Not saying I agree with it, it just is what it is.
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So? Did you commit the crime?
 
dmarbell said:
I guess there is a certain comfort level in seeing a CHP when selling a long gun. I believe the requirements are to try to ascertain that the buyer is not disqualified from owning a long gun; i.e., not insane, not a felon, maybe something else I can't remember. If you have a CHP, or a PPP, and you show it to me I believe I can rely on that to have met the requirements. If you don't, I will probably still sell you a long gun if you tell me you are not disqualified from owning one.

If a buyer has a CHP, why would they not show it, as an act of good faith? No recording, no bill of sale, just here it is and it's not expired. (Hell, if it's expired I'd still sell a long gun because you passed a background check recently. Unless of course you were babbling insanely or telling me you needed a gun quick to off your wife's lover(s).)

Edit note: I take bait easily.
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In other words. you'll stand in place of the govt to decide who may or may not possess a firearm.
 
BudE said:
I have no objection whatsoever with a bill of sale.
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I love this thought process. If someone wants one so be it... BUT

How in the heck can anyone believe that a BOS is going to protect them in any way?

Hell, I could whip up a BOS with made up info in a matter of seconds, or photoshop a real one in the same amount of time if needed. So I'm not sure what is getting accomplished by making them up and storing this kind of stuff. I'd rather not have the liability of storing anyone's personal info.
 
BudE said:
I have no objection whatsoever with a bill of sale.
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That's fine; I have many objections and generally avoid private sales that require a BOS.


BudE said:
In other words. you'll stand in place of the govt to decide who may or may not possess a firearm.
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I don't believe that's the place of the government. If I'm selling a gun, I get to decide who I sell it to.
 
BurnedOutGeek said:
I love this thought process. If someone wants one so be it... BUT

How in the heck can anyone believe that a BOS is going to protect them in any way?

Hell, I could whip up a BOS with made up info in a matter of seconds, or photoshop a real one in the same amount of time if needed. So I'm not sure what is getting accomplished by making them up and storing this kind of stuff. I'd rather not have the liability of storing anyone's personal info.
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It's like comfort food.
 
BOS tells me you're a Lib in disguise.... And aren't man enough to admit it. Make sure you wear your Halloween mask to the meetup in case you're being secretly filmed. And don't forget to wipe your fingerprints off said item.... Oh, and remove your license plates so they can't be seen..... AND.... stay under a cover of some sorts so the satellites above can't see anything...
 
What burns me is that I can walk in off the street to a gun store or gun show, buy a Barrett .50 cal, semi auto with cash and all the seller has to do is make a quick phone call for a NCIC check and I walk out with a high, HIGH powered weapon. BUT if I want a suppressor for my little .22 to shoot squirrels I have to go through a TON of paperwork and wait a year (almost or more) to get a much less dangerous item than a .50 cal. ????????? o_O:mad::confused:
 
GoWolfpack said:
That's fine; I have many objections and generally avoid private sales that require a BOS.





I don't believe that's the place of the government. If I'm selling a gun, I get to decide who I sell it to.
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Absolutely! However, it's not deciding to not sell because of his attitude or how he talked about the gun or the offer he made. It's doing a background check. I might add that it might be prudent to ask to see an NCDL in order to comply with federal law.
 
BudE said:
In other words. you'll stand in place of the govt to decide who may or may not possess a firearm.
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The OP suggests that there are procedures in place for selling long guns and handguns in NC. I described my CYA process in selling a long gun. I'm not standing in place of anybody.

If you want to buy a long gun from me, I might ask for a CHP or PPP. If you don't have one, I'll sell you the long gun as long as you are of legal age, aren't overtly raving mad**, and are not ranting about not being able to own a firearm because of the few felonies they so wrongly charged you with (or, I have to meet you at your house because of the ankle bracelet).

If we're just going to ignore the procedures (laws, regulations?) then there's no point in having a discussion.

** - Rules out about 90% of the folks on this forum? LOL
 
Bailey Boat said:
BOS tells me you're a Lib in disguise.... And aren't man enough to admit it. Make sure you wear your Halloween mask to the meetup in case you're being secretly filmed. And don't forget to wipe your fingerprints off said item.... Oh, and remove your license plates so they can't be seen..... AND.... stay under a cover of some sorts so the satellites above can't see anything...
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Hahaha...reminds me of a guy I worked with once- once.
He would take his smoke breaks where he thought the hotel security cameras couldn't see him.
He wouldn't touch the radio touchscreen in the rental car with his finger, but used a knuckle...


He was let go for a variety of reasons; he claimed it was because he wouldn't sign a form allowing my employer to have access to his social media.
o_O

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I thought it was the buyer responsibility to know if he or she could legally buy a long gun not the sellers, I know this differs on a handgun,but a simple question,are you legally allowed to own a long gun in this state,is all the due diligence required of the seller. That being said I know some sellers need more assurances than that,they can choose to put extra restrictions on the sell , but you can choose not to buy.
 
S4f said:
I thought it was the buyer responsibility to know if he or she could legally buy a long gun not the sellers, I know this differs on a handgun,but a simple question,are you legally allowed to own a long gun in this state,is all the due diligence required of the seller. That being said I know some sellers need more assurances than that,they can choose to put extra restrictions on the sell , but you can choose not to buy.
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GTFO of here with that personal responsibility/possession is 9/10ths of the law type stuff :D
 
Ikarus1 said:
GTFO of here with that personal responsibility/possession is 9/10ths of the law type stuff :D
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Ok, you need a license, a ccp, two character witnesses ( must be present at the time of the sell), and a note from your mom. Better?
 
S4f said:
Ok, you need a license, a ccp, two character witnesses ( must be present at the time of the sell), and a note from your mom. Better?
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Plus a notarized billow sail with 2 witness signatures, thumbprints and both DNA swabs
 
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Ikarus1 said:
Plus a notarized billow sail with 2 witness signatures, thumbprints and both DNA swabs
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You forgot a notarized testimonial letter from your pastor, I don't get why people struggle with these rules, they're so simple, that's the way the government designed them, so there wouldn't be any chance of confusion
 
BurnedOutGeek said:
Don't forget about the cars and chainsaws!
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Pre sharpened pencils.
BudE said:
Recently, I've seen here and on other sights demands for a sheriff's permit or a CCW when buying a rifle or shotgun. I think this is just a way of playing into the hands of gun grabbers. Why should we put unnecessary restrictions n our fellow members? The other thing that disturbs me is the demand to go through an FFL. Sometimes we're our own worst enemies.
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I agree but I'm not going to tell someone how they should or shouldn't sale their own gun.
 
oooohhhhhh.......I gotta remember not to open this tonight till I've had 6 or 7 beers, damn, I wasted most of the first page looking at it at work. It's like Christmas in September!!
 
dave33 said:
100% true, however those items are not yet regulated by a federal agency. Kill someone with a knife, chainsaw, axe, who cares. A firearm comes into play and they will trace that as far back as possible. Not saying I agree with it, it just is what it is.
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FIFY - They are in the UK
 
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