If anybody wanted to dip their toes into the Form 1 Silencer world...this would be a fairly inexpensive way to do it:
https://matchgradecustoms.com/collections/solvent-traps
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That still an absurd weight, especially with an aluminum tube. Wonder if it (the weight) includes both threaded adapters? Like a shipping weight not an assembled weight.It’s a full kit - baffles, tube, threaded caps.
Thinking turn down between threads like @BigWaylon did.
Application would be R700 .308 / 6.8SPC and 9mm. Both fixed mounts.
This:
Solvent Traps, High-Grade Tubes, Parts and Accessories – Armory Den
Solvent Trap is a device that can be attached to the threaded muzzle in order to capture fluids that are used to clean your firearm.armoryden.com
You don't want k baffles for a 308
That still an absurd weight, especially with an aluminum tube. Wonder if it (the weight) includes both threaded adapters? Like a shipping weight not an assembled weight.
I'm piecing one together eyeballing MutedMachineWorks website and I'm at 26.8 ounces before baffles and spacers (D Cell Ti tube, SS end cap, SS fixed 5/8x24 end cap). How do you build one of these in something lightweight?!?That still an absurd weight, especially with an aluminum tube. Wonder if it (the weight) includes both threaded adapters? Like a shipping weight not an assembled weight.
Man, I built a 9” one out of all steel, filled it full of freeze plugs, and it was ~25oz. The 8” was 23oz, the 7” was 21oz. Then I had a 9” Ti tube full of freeze plugs that was 19oz, an 8” that was 17oz, and a 7” that was 15oz.I'm piecing one together eyeballing MutedMachineWorks website and I'm at 26.8 ounces before baffles and spacers (D Cell Ti tube, SS end cap, SS fixed 5/8x24 end cap). How do you build one of these in something lightweight?!?
The MMW end caps look like they could be turned down a little thinner and maybe the OD could be turned a hair and I'd be center-drilling the baffles and clipping them as well but still...
nate
...I have so many questions. LOL...Man, I built a 9” one out of all steel, filled it full of freeze plugs, and it was ~25oz. The 8” was 23oz, the 7” was 21oz. Then I had a 9” Ti tube full of freeze plugs that was 19oz, an 8” that was 17oz, and a 7” that was 15oz.
One thing is to make sure the ends are hollowed out as much as possible. That’s just dead weight.
Just ask them. More chance of getting a good answer than if it was left up to me alone. 🤣...I have so many questions. LOL...
Should I post them up here for everyone to laugh at the FNG Form1 dude or should I PM you and save some dignity? Maybe the dumb questions would help someone else out there...?
And yes, I'm crawling the board and reading everything I can find.
Nate
Picked up the 15-22 today.Tube came earlier this week. Ends came today...but I think they shipped the wrong one for the threaded adapter. The end cap will thread into both ends of the tube, while the 1/2-28 is too small to thread into either end. Looks like it’s probably the Omega (1-3/8) instead of D-cell (1-7/16).
15-22 shipped today
One form per serial number. And every firearm will have its own serial number.Still haven’t pulled the trigger but itching to do a kit build soon.
I need one Form1 per NFA device, correct? Or can I list multiple items (couple suppressor kits + an SBR) on a single form and pay for more than one?
Still haven’t pulled the trigger but itching to do a kit build soon.
I need one Form1 per NFA device, correct? Or can I list multiple items (couple suppressor kits + an SBR) on a single form and pay for more than one?
Unfortunately Big Waylon is correct on both counts. I was debating getting a kit, but waiting too long. After the ATF cracked down on them they have dried up.One form per serial number. And every firearm will have its own serial number.
…and good luck finding any kind of kit these days.
Cups are readily available. Tubes are readily available. End caps are readily available. Theres a few holdouts selling kits but parts can be cobbled together easier.One form per serial number. And every firearm will have its own serial number.
…and good luck finding any kind of kit these days.
From some of the research I have done, the ATF will not approve a Form1 for a suppressor unless there is proof that it is being made from raw stock.Cups are readily available. Tubes are readily available. End caps are readily available. Theres a few holdouts selling kits but parts can be cobbled together easier.
Yeah, they want pics of machinery and bar stock . None of which are available anywhere. Pics that is. Just sayin'.From the some of the research I have done, the ATF will not approve a Form1 for a suppressor unless there is proof that it is being made from raw stock.
I’m looking at these suppliers at the moment:
Armoryden (looks to be cheapie stuff but good enough?)
Quietbore (pricy but looks decent…)
MutedMachineWorks (pricy but looks like quality stuff…)
What about QB wasn’t much good? Fitment or function? You’re probably right about not selling parts - looks like most all parts are out of stock.Quiet bore stopped selling parts. The quiet bore stuff really wasn't much good anyway
The pressed stuff is OK up to maybe 9mm use. Its too thin and weak for rifle use. 50-60 degree cones are your best bet. Yeah, 20-25 a baffle is about right these days. I can buy finished machined, bored and clipped baffles for 15 a piece in bulk which is what they do minus the bore job so its not like theyre making a tonof money on them. I have several machined cone cans I do full auto blasts through with short barrels and they hold up fine.What about QB wasn’t much good? Fitment or function? You’re probably right about not selling parts - looks like most all parts are out of stock.
Design wise, I’m leaning towards a skirted Kcup or cone design so I don’t have to trim spacers. If anything I would trim down the blast chamber and squeeze another cup / cone into the tube. Does a machined cone work better than a pressed cone?
MMW has some slick looking cones but they’re $20-25 apiece. Armoryden stuff looks pressed vs machined but is a tick cheaper and they’re full kits are much cheaper.
Inclination is a 7-9”L x 1.25-1.5”D kit from Armoryden, add another skirted cone and trim down the blast chamber spacer accordingly. Drill and clip.
Nate
Very helpful. Good to know on the pressed vs machined cone and your experience with the K baffles. Thanks a ton.The pressed stuff is OK up to maybe 9mm use. Its too thin and weak for rifle use. 50-60 degree cones are your best bet. Yeah, 20-25 a baffle is about right these days. I can buy finished machined, bored and clipped baffles for 15 a piece in bulk which is what they do minus the bore job so its not like theyre making a tonof money on them. I have several machined cone cans I do full auto blasts through with short barrels and they hold up fine.
K baffles really dont work well on anything. Get enough of them in a huge can and they'll work OK on 9mm but you could do better in a smaller package with clipped cones. The QB 22 K baffles are hot garbage. I have one I filled with those things and its embarrassingly loud.