Synagogue shot up

Cowboy said:
My thought about Muslims and Jews was simply that it was at least a millennia old feud that is still being fought over today in the middle east. I get that part but I don't understand why people have problems with the American Jews in today's society. Same as I don't understand the Holocaust or why it happened. For me it is pure ignorance on the .
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Because they're notoriously leftist, regressive, anti-gun communists that control Hollywood and the banking sector. They gobble up federal aid for things like refugee resettlement. They actively work to undermine the Constitution and personal liberty.

George Soros would basically be the archetype of the person that is the most hated by anti-semite groups. (Then of course you have the Feinstein's, the Rothchild's, the Kissingers, etc.)

As said before, there is Jewish faith and Jewish descent. - However, anti-semites tend to believe in a supernatural "sneaky jew" power. It's really pretty interesting...and vast. And can be really weird.

There is actually a very strange, twisted "Christian" doctrine called Replacement Theology that's worth looking into if you're curious about all this. I think the other term for it is Suppressionism. It's much more prevalent than you would think.
 
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KnotRight said:
I thought that these were the people going to move to Canada if Trump got elected. Are they still in the U.S.? What is best for them is best for them!
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The best part of all that "I'm leaving the US if Trump wins" virtue signaling was that they were all planning on moving to Canada, a country much whiter than the US! None of them said they would move to Mexico, the homeland of many of their beloved "undocumented" and legal immigrants.
 
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drypowder said:
The best part of all that "I'm leaving the US if Trump wins" virtue signaling was that they were all planning on moving to Canada, a country much whiter than the US! None of them said they would move to Mexico, the homeland of many of their beloved "undocumented" and legal immigrants.
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That makes me think of Jesse Ventura going "come on, gang!"...and nobody follows him.
 
Cowboy said:
My thought about Muslims and Jews was simply that it was at least a millennia old feud that is still being fought over today in the middle east. I get that part but I don't understand why people have problems with the American Jews in today's society.
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Jews make up about 2% of the US population. When you look at the far-left, progressives, or liberals, the notable people are very disproportionately Jewish. It is very easy to begin associating a group -or in this case a religion- with distasteful social, economic and political positions advocated by its loudest and most prominent members.
Cowboy said:
Same as I don't understand the Holocaust or why it happened.
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The Holocaust was the final act in an old-fashioned political play. Jews (and gypsies) were the scapegoat Hitler needed to first vault to electoral power and later to transition to dictatorial power. Germany was a basket case after World War I and the German people were ripe to blame somebody else for their situation. Jews had been the traditional European scapegoats for a couple of thousand years - they did not assimilate, they had different customs, they often spoke a different language, they dressed differently. It was a minor thing for Hitler to convince the German people that Jews had betrayed their country and caused Germany to lose the war. Once started down that path, total elimination was not a surprising destination.
 
gc70 said:
Jews make up about 2% of the US population. When you look at the far-left, progressives, or liberals, the notable people are very disproportionately Jewish. It is very easy to begin associating a group -or in this case a religion- with distasteful social, economic and political positions advocated by its loudest and most prominent members.

The Holocaust was the final act in an old-fashioned political play. Jews (and gypsies) were the scapegoat Hitler needed to first vault to electoral power and later to transition to dictatorial power. Germany was a basket case after World War I and the German people were ripe to blame somebody else for their situation. Jews had been the traditional European scapegoats for a couple of thousand years - they did not assimilate, they had different customs, they often spoke a different language, they dressed differently. It was a minor thing for Hitler to convince the German people that Jews had betrayed their country and caused Germany to lose the war. Once started down that path, total elimination was not a surprising destination.
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And don't forget he also got to steal all their wealth.
 
gc70 said:
Jews make up about 2% of the US population. When you look at the far-left, progressives, or liberals, the notable people are very disproportionately Jewish. It is very easy to begin associating a group -or in this case a religion- with distasteful social, economic and political positions advocated by its loudest and most prominent members.
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And the financing. Take gun control for example. In the US, gun control funding is a largely Jewish endeavor - without the likes of Bloomberg and Soros, the gun control movement would be a shell of its current, ever-present menace to 2A.
 
Just wanted to inject some humor via the most hateful, anti-Semetic protagonist of all time:




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But seriously...

As a Christian, it is amazing to see the promise God made to the Jewish people fulfilled, even when many self-proclaimed Jews stray from their faith.

IMO, Satan is at work in the anti-Semites in large part because of the truth behind much of the anti-Semetic hate. American Jews *often* actively attempt to undermine our countries founding principles. They are much more effective in their endeavors than the shitty self-proclaimed Christians that do the same.

There is no doubt they have great power in our political system, although I don't see them as true Jewish people. As we see in this thread, we have some great Patriots in this forum that are practicing their Jewish faith.

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Cowboy said:
But why does anyone in America hate Jews? I get the muslim long standing religious hate but why anyone else.
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Because at the core of SOME super conservative super "patriotic" groups is a deep cauldron of anti semitism. I first got exposed to it when I was 12 years old reading Stormer's book "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" (John Birch recruiting tract.... about 130 pages or so). I only knew one Jew, and he seemed an ok guy, and I wondered what all the fuss was about. I then read some evangelical stuff about satanism and started hearing about "illuminati" and bilderberger connections and saw how the trilateralist stuff segued in with that. I then started reading some klan and stormfront kind of material and it all started to make sense..... not the actual anti semitism, but the philosophy of anti semitism, how it breeds and prospers. I then read (with horror!) some of the recommended actions by Luther against the Jews and saw how there were elements of those picked up by the Nazis, and thought "well, no wonder Jews are filled with reservations about Xty, given how they have been treated in Europe."

It is a long, ugly and tedious thing, but there is certainly a strong current in some reactionary right wing groups of seeing a cabal of well connected Jews as the brains and money behind the collapse of the west. The more conspiracy minded you are, the more you will buy into it, GENERALLY (I view myself as pretty open to conspiracies, actually).

Bottom line is that MOST jewish hatred is actually from statists/socialists lower income whites who view jews as "taking away" from them their slice of the pie (along with blacks and hispanics and other minorities). The "jew power brokers" have stacked the deck against them, and tilted the table towards these other groups, so whites are now the disenfranchised "minority."

While I really do understand some of the resentment, the repulsive thing to me is the stupid and idiotic "solution" they propose of enlisting state power to either withdraw to a separate area so they can have white dominated smaller government, or to overthrow the Jew dominated power here in the USA when the balloon goes up and re-institute a glorious age of white nationalism. That is, they are no less statists and socialists than the left, they just think whites should pull the strings. That sort of stuff runs as a very small undercurrent throughout the conservative community. I see hints of it from time to time on this board.

The left, of course, goes batshit crazy over this, and seeks desperately to paint all conservatives and all nationalists with this label, and this leads to amused conservatives discussing whether or not they left their copy of Mein Kampf at home, when in actuality they have never read any of that stuff and are mystified why leftists keep harping on it. I myself don't know a single Nazi, or a single white power advocate, but I have met a few.
 
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Because at the core of SOME super conservative super "patriotic" groups is a deep cauldron of anti semitism. I first got exposed to it when I was 12 years old reading Stormer's book "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" (John Birch recruiting tract.... about 130 pages or so). I only knew one Jew, and he seemed an ok guy, and I wondered what all the fuss was about. I then read some evangelical stuff about satanism and started hearing about "illuminati" and bilderberger connections and saw how the trilateralist stuff segued in with that. I then started reading some klan and stormfront kind of material and it all started to make sense..... not the actual anti semitism, but the philosophy of anti semitism, how it breeds and prospers. I then read (with horror!) some of the recommended actions by Luther against the Jews and saw how there were elements of those picked up by the Nazis, and thought "well, no wonder Jews are filled with reservations about Xty, given how they have been treated in Europe."

It is a long, ugly and tedious thing, but there is certainly a strong current in some reactionary right wing groups of seeing a cabal of well connected Jews as the brains and money behind the collapse of the west. The more conspiracy minded you are, the more you will buy into it, GENERALLY (I view myself as pretty open to conspiracies, actually).

Bottom line is that MOST jewish hatred is actually from statists/socialists lower income whites who view jews as "taking away" from them their slice of the pie (along with blacks and hispanics and other minorities). The "jew power brokers" have stacked the deck against them, and tilted the table towards these other groups, so whites are now the disenfranchised "minority."

While I really do understand some of the resentment, the repulsive thing to me is the stupid and idiotic "solution" they propose of enlisting state power to either withdraw to a separate area so they can have white dominated smaller government, or to overthrow the Jew dominated power here in the USA when the balloon goes up and re-institute a glorious age of white nationalism. That is, they are no less statists and socialists than the left, they just think whites should pull the strings. That sort of stuff runs as a very small undercurrent throughout the conservative community. I see hints of it from time to time on this board.

The left, of course, goes batshit crazy over this, and seeks desperately to paint all conservatives and all nationalists with this label, and this leads to amused conservatives discussing whether or not they left their copy of Mein Kampf at home, when in actuality they have never read any of that stuff and are mystified why leftists keep harping on it. I myself don't know a single Nazi, or a single white power advocate, but I have met a few.
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also, there is a subcurrent of white power folks who will tell you with a straight face that Ashkenazi Jews (the northern European brand) are not "real" jews at all but were products of the diaspora that began with the fall of the Northen Israeli kingdom in 786 BC to Assyria, were shipped out mostly to Iran, and then lost their identity through intermarriage, then moved to Germany. They thus try to answer Xn objections about the long term love of God for Jewish people by claiming these "Jews" are not "real" jews at all.

They don't tend to be real bright, nor very interested in history, to be frank, and a quick "explanation" gives them liberty to continue with antisemitism. It is pseudohistory and pseudoslop, but you see it in their literature. Again. not real bright.

Just a tidbit for the record.

Hope that gives a little insight into the "why" question
 
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It's funny you mention that about Luther. He got pretty crotchety in his old age and became quite the curmudgeon. The biography Bonhoeffer touched on this subject. I can't remember if Dietrich actually wrote about it or not.

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IrishCannon said:
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It's funny you mention that about Luther. He got pretty crotchety in his old age and became quite the curmudgeon. The biography Bonhoeffer touched on this subject. I can't remember if Dietrich actually wrote about it or not.

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Luther is no less a hero to me...., just a reminder that the BEST of men in this world are actually horrible people, and never to be trusted.
 
I've seen some hollyweirds already attempting to equate what DJT said about how they should have had security as saying a rape victim is responsible for their rape because of how they dress or walking alone. I knew that shit was gonna happen.

I've taken classes centered around feminism (criminalistics and crimes against persons type stuff) and have been around the block enough to know when they're going to pull that one.
 
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S4f said:
I don't think that anyone of the Jewish faith has flown any planes into any buildings.that and the fact that some of the mosque have been investigated for trying to funnel money and other supplies to isis make people wary of people of the Muslim faith,
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That's interesting, so I'm sure you hate Protestants and Catholics as well since they killed each other indiscriminately and through terrorism. And yes, these same churches on this side of the ocean funneled money to them.
 
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Chdamn said:
I’m not baffled by it at all. And Islam is far from a religion and far from a minority. It is one of the largest groups in the world.

I can’t speak for cowboy but for me Islam is a political ideology disguised as a religion. It preaches hatred and the subjugation of anyone who is not Muslim.
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I'm sure this is one of the subjects you're not supposed to talk about in polite company. Considering my (international) company has a prayer room, I'm sure it's just a plot for subjugation of the rest of us.
 
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Sas quatch said:
I'm sure this is one of the subjects you're not supposed to talk about in polite company. Considering my (international) company has a prayer room, I'm sure it's just a plot for subjugation of the rest of us.
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A muslim prayer room or inter-faith?

And what was that fight between the Polish Jews and the Nazis that was portrayed in The Pianist? I know it has a name. They had like literally just a handful of guns and fought them off for a long time.

Just takes one gun pointed in the other direction to completely change the dynamics of a gun fight.
 
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Sas quatch said:
I'm sure this is one of the subjects you're not supposed to talk about in polite company. Considering my (international) company has a prayer room, I'm sure it's just a plot for subjugation of the rest of us.
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Good for them. I’m sure it is very enlightening.


There are over 50 countries that are Muslim run. Care to hazard a guess as to how people of other faiths are treated in those countries?

How about the political ideology portion. How sharia law permeates everything including contract law in those countries and that they are demanding it here wherever they have a large settlement.

There are over a billion followers of Islam. Care to defend the statement that they are a Minority?

Let’s talk about the Sharia zones in every European country that has imported large amounts of Muslims. Or how about the sharia mobs who are attacking women in the streets that are not Muslim and aren’t dressed appropriately according to them.

Or the number of Muslim gang rapes in others European countries.

I know we can defend the subjugation of women in those Muslim countries. Them bringing that subjugation to other countries when they settle there.
 
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S4f said:
The reason the Jews weren't armed is because Hitler made private ownership of firearms illegal for Jews (see the private weapons act of 1938), it's one of the points of our own 2a battles
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Yes, I'm aware of that. Our GCA68 was patterned on it. Hence my point.

Terry
 
Please don't get me started on the British occupation of Ireland.
S4f said:
Never saw a Protestant or Catholic flying a plane into a building on American soil either, and what the did to each other on their on soil is between them, I guessing you're referencing the IRA, and of course the British.
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specops56 said:
Yes, I'm aware of that. Our GCA68 was patterned on it. Hence my point.

Terry
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Sorry thought you were making a statement not a point, my bad
 
IrishCannon said:
Please don't get me started on the British occupation of Ireland.

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Hey don't pick on me, take it up with the guy 7 post up, he started it.
But I'm guessing we have a similar view on that from your post
 
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The fake survivor, David Hogg on MSNBC live running his mouth off.
 
S4f said:
The reason the Jews weren't armed is because Hitler made private ownership of firearms illegal for Jews (see the private weapons act of 1938), it's one of the points of our own 2a battles
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Nuremberg Laws, right?
 
Chdamn said:
They’ve got Anne Landers
And her sister Dear Abbey
@bigfelipe is a quarter Jewish
Not too shabby.
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Not bad, but if we're talking Jew songs, I prefer "The Brews"

@Chdamn's Wife in case she wasnt aware either

"
Friday night we'll be drinking manashevitz
Going out to terrorize goyem
Stomping shagitz, screwing shicksas
As long as we're home by Saturday mornin'
Cause hey
We're the brews
Sportin' anti swastika tattoos
Oi oi we're the boys
The orthodox, hasidic, o.g. ois
Orthopedic Dr. Martens good for
Waffle making, kickin' through the shin
Reputation, gained through intimidation
Pacifism no longer tradition
Cause hey
We're the brews
Sportin' anti swastika tattoos
Oi oi we're the brews
The fair fax ghetto boys skinhead hebrews
We got the might
Psycho mashuganas
We can't lose a fight
As we are the chosen ones
Chutspah driven, we battle then we feast
We celebrate, we'll separate
Our milk plates from our meat
Oi oi we're the brews
Sportin' anti swastika tattoos
Oi oi we're the boys
Orthodox, hasidic, o.g. ois"








and this was the same band that pretty much cant play in US anymore (they from California) because singer said some stuff in Vegas a few months back about the shooting and livenation etc banned them.
INteresting book they wrote though, I think you @Chdamn would dig it, called The Hepatitis Bathtub,
 
I wanted to add there are people of all faiths and political ideologies that are decent folks and simply want to be left alone. Jews, satanist, blacks, whites, gays, Christians and even Muslims. And whatever other group you want to add to that list.

I had a Muslim that worked for me when I was a manager at circuit city. He was polite and nice and he and I talked on occasion about some of his history and traditions. Ramadan was tough to schedule around for him but because he was nice the rest of the department didn’t mind.

That doesn’t change the fact that Islam is a dangerous political ideology disguised as a religion. And anywhere and everywhere it’s followers grow in population they become aggressive and impossible to get along with. Attacking people who are not Muslim etc.

There used to be moderate Muslims. But that all changed a few decades ago and there is no room for moderates in Islam anymore.
 
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The fake survivor, David Hogg on MSNBC live running his mouth off.
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Trying to stay relevant. That it took him this long to day something tells me he's no longer in the loop. :D
 
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georgel said:
Trying to stay relevant. That it took him this long to day something tells me he's no longer in the loop. :D
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Afterwards, they were having a love fest with all negative Trump comments.
 
Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Muslims.... The real issue is the heart of man, and it is REALLY sick and twisted. Let a little mental instability come in and the spats go murderous. Religion is just a convenient sign to hide behind to justify the hate and wickedness that resides in men naturally. Evidence is so abundant I don't know why one would doubt it. The history of mankind is a history of war, murder, hatred, and justifying them in the name of any number of things...., even while we have this nostalgic sort of wish that we could all get along. We are a sick race, and that sickness extends to our religious affiliations, and winds up often poisoning that as well. It is not the religion which screws us up (though I do believe in truth and error in the whole mixed up response by men to the "God awareness" in all of us). It is the screwed up-ness which permeates all that. It is why we can't stay married, develop such deep hatreds for each other -even those that don't fruit out into murder- and why we in fact believe that it is important to arm ourselves and insist on the right to do so. It is an acknowledgement that there is something deeply flawed in men. We affirm this every time we make a firearms purchase, and every time we mock the anti gun crowd.
 
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Shooting up a house of prayer is a terrible tragedy no matter the faith or track record thereof. I don’t see how our various opinions on islam have *ANYTHING* to do with the shooting in Pittsburgh, even tangentially.

I’m glad Trump took the high road first - it sucked the wind right out of the antis by making them respond to his statement with predictable sound bites. It was mildly insensitive to the victims but it is the right lesson to learn and apply to the rest of the nation’s temples which might also be at risk at this very moment.
 
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