Sub $300 from Family Firearms right now.
The CZ P10 is a great choice for a first handgun and right now I think one of the best values out there. For and extra $100 you get way more.
I wound up with it and my son has put at least another 500 rounds of mixed loads from 95gr to 147gr fmj and coated lead without the first hiccup And I know damn well he has done no cleaning or lubing.I can only speak for the G2C, but the one I had ran like a top. I put close to a thousand rounds, mostly steel case, and it ate it up with no issues. I passed it on to @BatteryOaksBilly, and as far as I know, it's still rolling. I've not met anyone that's had a G2 that didn't like it. Just my 2 cents.
they're not the only ones who do that. but at least they don't stamp a warning to read the owner's manual right on the dang gunThe Taurus owners manuals instruct the user to carry with an empty chamber. While I do own a Taurus Tx22, will no longrr support a manufacturer who advises empty chamber carry. Either they think we are idiots or their pistol designs are unsafe. Either way I’ll put my funds elsewhere.
Yes, if you consider the instant depreciation to not be a factor. It doesn't bother me but others might pause.These seemed like nice entry level handguns for 9mm
The Taurus owners manuals instruct the user to carry with an empty chamber. While I do own a Taurus Tx22, will no longrr support a manufacturer who advises empty chamber carry. Either they think we are idiots or their pistol designs are unsafe. Either way I’ll put my funds elsewhere.
I just checked the owner's manuals for several of my pistols: you can no longer support Beretta, Colt, Ruger, Sig, or Springfield; Glock and Smith & Wesson are questionable, but Palmetto State Armory and Walther are okay.
Ruger has explicitly stated to carry with empty chamber particularly in their internal hammer fired designs that lack a firing pin safety plunger system. Ones that come to mind are their 5.7 and security 380/9 pistols. there are probably more Ruger examples of which i am not aware.
Which Beretta models are they advising to carry empty chamber? The only beretta pistols I've used are the PX4 and the 92 variants, but don't recall seeing anything in their literature about empty chamber?
Ruger's hammer-fired Security 380 manual (page 17) says: "The only absolutely safe pistol is one in which the slide is open, the chamber is empty, and there is no magazine. If you choose to carry any pistol with a cartridge in the chamber, it should be secured in a properly fitting holster that completely covers the trigger guard."
Ruger's striker-fired SR9 manual (page 19) says: "For maximum safety when carrying the pistol with a loaded magazine in place, the chamber should be empty, the slide should be closed, and the safety should be in the “ON” position."
^these statements are accurate. An empty chamber will reduce the likelihood of an unintentional discharge. Taurus’s claims are distinctly poor, including alternating modes of carry based on some perceived “threat level” and that firearms discharge when dropped. They also directly state the Taurus firearms should be carried w empty chamber. In other words, OUR pistols should be carried empty chamber.Beretta's PX4 manual (page 9) says: " If you carry a firearm for self-protection, leaving the chamber unloaded can reduce the chance of an unintentional discharge."
I have seen NEW Shields with standard sights as low as $299 new (in store in SMKW, but not online) and in the low $300s, and I *think* there is still a $50 rebate available on them.Cheap little things and it lowers the barrier of entry. Idk. I would rather carry a taurus than a hi-point.
I would recommend looking for a used gen 1 shield, really. But if they want to use that money for bills or ammo to actually learn their gun then there are worse choices I suppose
You will get a lot of people hating on Taurus. They had horrible quality for a long time, but have worked on it. Are they as nice as other more expensive guns, usually not. But they have a place.Solid little handguns and great value for the money.
That's what I said. But, My son-in-law bought 9mm hi point a few weeks ago and I got to put a few rounds through it. My surprise it wasn't so bad. Yeah it's on the heavy side but not real bad In a owb holster. I liked the feel and pretty dang accurate. Had no hiccups and ran like a top. Found no reason to hate it.Everybody I know with a g2/g3 has had a good experience with it. I would much rather have one of those than a hi point.