WOT Wide Open Trigger on Big Daddy Unlimited

NCFubar said:
Do you have an adjustable gas block on the AR57? I’m guessing you run it suppressed?
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No, it’s blowback.
Good guess.

6” barrel with a Ti Form 1 can tucked inside the monolithic upper.

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It’s uses its own proprietary bolt, so I’m not sure it would work. Meh, I didn’t need one anyway.

Bottom:

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Top:

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Firing pin:

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cubrock said:
I’m considering it. Gotta see what kind of dealer pricing they have.
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A little birdie told me ^ somebody ^ had a dozen or more of these in his possession ready to go…send him a PM if you want one. 😎
 
Joshua1000 said:
seen some on tacswap, guy offers discreet ordereing
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You came here just to post that, hu?

Never heard of tacswap and how does a random joe do “discreet ordering” online? Sounds like some AFT nonsense.
 
So let's see if I am following the FRT situation (at the macro level) properly:
  • the ATF wants to arbitrarily classify FRT triggers as MG's even though they technically don't meet the definition of MG's
  • The bump stock ban was already provided with injunctive relief on the grounds that it violated the Takings Clause of the 5th Amendment (chief among several reasons)
  • Many people have concerns about buying perfectly-legal FRT's because they might go the way of the bump stock ban ... which is no longer a ban (due to injunctive relief)
  • Most people fail to realize that if FRT's do somehow manage to go the way of the bump stock ban, the government must either reimburse us (fair market value) for what they took from us by way of a 'regulatory taking' ... or it must give us a clear path to continued legal ownership ... as failure to do either would run into the same problem the bump stock ban did that resulted in it receiving injunctive relief
  • Clear path to continued legal ownership of FRT's that somehow manage to become classified as MG's ... would, upon paying all taxes and getting ATF approvals ... be like owning a transferable auto-sear listed in the NFA registry, today (which is worth a friggen fortune)

So where's the concern in buying a FRT (ANY FRT, be it Rare Breed, WOT, or Graves), again?! At best, we get to keep and use them. At worst, they get classified as MG's after the ATF does some annoying and bogus governmental backflips ... and we're either reimbursed or we pursue paths of legal ownership and/or injunctive relief if the ATF fails to reimburse or give us legal paths to retain what we legally bought.

I see no reason to give a flip which way the ATF goes on this ... because there's no real way to lose ... unless one is stupid enough to destroy a FRT just because the government said to do so without standing up for one's rights, first.
 
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I used the anti walk pins in another rifle. The threads are extremely rough. I had to chase them with a tap to get them to seat properly
 
Someone should bring some of these to lunch.
 
Joshua1000 said:
Well it says on their website dealer pricing for 10 or more, which popped up after I ordered. But when I asked about it they said I had to order min 100 units to receive a discount
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If you have an FFL and sales tax ID, you get wholesale pricing. A group buy was organized here, but not everyone followed through, so there were a few left.
 
I think management decided long ago not to memorialize unacceptable behaviour, even if only for our amusement. I think it would tend to invite comparisons and people arguing about being worse or not than so-and-so and just lots of noise for the mods to deal with around bans.
 
JimB said:
I think management decided long ago not to memorialize unacceptable behaviour, even if only for our amusement. I think it would tend to invite comparisons and people arguing about being worse or not than so-and-so and just lots of noise for the mods to deal with around bans.
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^^^^^^^^ This

Decisions have to be made for the best interests of CFF and it's awesome members. That being said it's obvious at times that means some must vacate their seats on board here. We should never take pleasure and embrace the "high five" moments when we are required to take action on that level.

Life is simply too short to be known as forum owners and staff that look forward to a banning moment simply for entertainment or a "gotcha" move on our end.

Thank you sir for your post and supportive comments.
 
I tried out my WOT trigger briefly the other day in my backyard. Loaded up a mag with (5) S&B 220 gr 300 blackout. Shot out of a PSA 8” 300 blackout upper, Larue buffer spring, KAK adjustable buffer set to H2, and my sandman s suppressor. Fired all 5 like a sewing machine and the bolt locked back. Can’t wait to actually get this thing to the range so I can really shoot.
 
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Bigdave0924 said:
I tried out my WOT trigger briefly the other day in my backyard. Loaded up a mag with (5) S&B 220 gr 300 blackout. Shot out of a PSA 8” 300 blackout upper, Larue buffer spring, KAK adjustable buffer set to H2, and my sandman s suppressor. Fired all 5 like a sewing machine and the bolt locked back. Can’t wait to actually get this thing to the range so I can really shoot.
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Dang, if it works good with 300blackout I am going to be very poor!
 
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Bigdave0924 said:
I just paid over $34 per box for some Hornady 208 gr 300 blackout food today. At $1.75 per bang I may have to get some magazine capacity limiters for my 10 round mags.
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You know that putting 10 rounds in a 30 round mag also works? No need to spend ammo money on buying new mags. 🤓🤣
 
BigWaylon said:
You know that putting 10 rounds in a 30 round mag also works? No need to spend ammo money on buying new mags. 🤓🤣
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What I meant was I have no self control and will probably shoot all my high dollar ammo in the blink of an eye.
 
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Get Off My Lawn said:
Why's that?
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Because it wasn't a hard reset trigger. They played it safe and only made the reset push back just a little bit. For all intents and purposes, it was a Average Joe semi auto trigger. The "push back" reset didn't really do much of anything.

The concept was nice, but in execution, a simple geissele trigger that was significantly cheaper would easily outrun it. Unlike the binary trigger, which effectively doubles your fire rate, the tac-con's gimmick, ie its trigger pull and reset simply wasn't enough to compete with an actual quality single stage trigger.
 
Politics aside, are any of you trigger owners having any trouble from yours, that isn't related to the buffer, etc.?

A buddy of mine just text to tell me he was getting some light primer strikes. After digging deeper, he found that the entire trigger assembly is moving about 1.5mm, within the lower. So, I'm guessing it must be sitting further back in the lower when this happens, or higher. Don't know.

He called BDU and the trigger designer is suppose to call him tomorrow, saying he hasn't heard of this issue.

My friend hasn't taken it apart to look for clues because he wants the guy to see it moving and doesn't want to take it out and put it back in and risk it not moving as much as it does now.
 
I forget where I was looking, but a lot of people were complaining about the trigger moving in the lower. Not sure if it was side to side or front to back.

Post up what your buddy finds out.
 
kcult said:
He called BDU and the trigger designer is suppose to call him tomorrow, saying he hasn't heard of this issue.
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That's a BS response...
I'm pretty sure all of them jiggle. most drop in trigger packs do, and that's why so many of them have a couple set screws to firm it up.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
That's a BS response...
I'm pretty sure all of them jiggle. most drop in trigger packs do, and that's why so many of them have a couple set screws to firm it up.
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If that’s the case, you could probably take a small piece of rubber and shove it underneath the trigger pack. Kind of like the accuwedge that’s used to eliminate slop between 2 different brands of upper and lower receiver.
 
10mmlover said:
If that’s the case, you could probably take a small piece of rubber and shove it underneath the trigger pack. Kind of like the accuwedge that’s used to eliminate slop between 2 different brands of upper and lower receiver.
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I have a trigger pack or two that I'm probably going to do that with.

Here's how some triggers handle it
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Set screws to do basically the same thing, put a little pressure under the trigger to push it up into the pins. That way instead of wobbling back and forth on 2 points of contact, you get 3-4 to stabilize it.
 
I had a problem with FTE after every 3rd or 4th shot, but I think it's just a dirty or improperly lubed BCG - haven't dug into it yet.
 
I have not had any trouble with mine other than weak 300 blackout subs.
 
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The designer explained that the slop was necessary because without it, the trigger components were being beat to hell.

To my friend's specific problem, it was determined he was keeping too much pressure on the trigger. He admitted to keeping that pressure on it, thinking it was necessary to take up play.

With that info, he went back out and tried it again with less pressure and said it works like it should.
 
kcult said:
Update:

The designer explained that the slop was necessary because without it, the trigger components were being beat to hell.

To my friend's specific problem, it was determined he was keeping too much pressure on the trigger. He admitted to keeping that pressure on it, thinking it was necessary to take up play.

With that info, he went back out and tried it again with less pressure and said it works like it should.
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Tell him to quit running the trigger like this:

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kcult said:
Update:

The designer explained that the slop was necessary because without it, the trigger components were being beat to hell.

To my friend's specific problem, it was determined he was keeping too much pressure on the trigger. He admitted to keeping that pressure on it, thinking it was necessary to take up play.

With that info, he went back out and tried it again with less pressure and said it works like it should.
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wait... aren't full auto triggers at roughly that cyclic rate well established by now?
substandard materials? it has anti-walk pins, so that's not the problem.
i'm a little confused.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
wait... aren't full auto triggers at roughly that cyclic rate well established by now?
substandard materials? it has anti-walk pins, so that's not the problem.
i'm a little confused.
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Without knowing for a fact, I assume anti-walk pins are to keep the pins from exiting the lower, left to right. Without a visual, I'm guessing the movement of his drop-in trigger was up and down, or front to back. Like, maybe the pins were smaller than the holes in the lower, or smaller than the holes in the trigger housing. Meaning there was some play somewhere. He was attempting to hold everything in place by applying moe force to the trigger.

When I get back to my phone, I can copy/paste the designer's explanation, or at least my friend's version of the explanation for the excessive movement.
 
My buddy's text;

"Update on the trigger, it is supposed to have that play in it, they said it keep the trigger from wearing from the forced reset. I was holding the trigger back too hard, the guy told me if you hold the trigger too hard with the pull weight being so low the hammer will release before the bolt fully locks causing a light primer strike. I eased up on the trigger some and it ran like a champ."

After I mentioned the amount of play he estimated sounded excessive...again, his words;

"I talked to the designer, he said you can measure the holes and they will be larger than the pins and the housing frame was designed for when the play is pulled up the trigger will be where a normal trigger sits, when the bcg hits the trip it pushes the trigger upward to where is should sit. He said the prototypes he designed without play were beat to shit and had flat spots on the trip lever from the bcg hitting it within a couple hundred rounds."

Analysis?
 
If the trigger group needs to bounce around, then is there extra wear on the lower that needs to be watched for?
 
So it’s a bump trigger pack?
 
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