Short wait times for suppressors are the new normal

I think the main takeaway is that they did away with the first-in, first-out bottle neck.
That means that the 70% or so of clean applications are no longer held up behind the 30% that were delayed because they required further review.
HALLELUJAH!!!
 


I really like this guy. He is very detailed on the subject and gets the point across in less than 10 minutes.

The short of it is that if you want a suppressor quick now and in a hurry, don't do a trust. If you do a trust use one of the one-shot trusts like silencershop offers.
 
Dang, I thought my last one at 3 months was a record.


.Gov probably found a new KPI in cans + tracking people and got the greenlight to power out stacks of paperwork to track peeps.
 
Bull Gear said:
I think the main takeaway is that they did away with the first-in, first-out bottle neck.
That means that the 70% or so of clean applications are no longer held up behind the 30% that were delayed because they required further review.
HALLELUJAH!!!
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That may very well be it.
 
I filed for 2 cans yesterday so maybe i’ll get em next week. But i am expecting a month at least. It’s always my luck things take longer
 
I’ve never bought a suppressor. I’m not savvy to all the forms and such so are you guys saying the start to finish times to buy a suppressor have gone from almost a year to days in some cases? Is this across the board or for people previously approved for other items or ? I’ve been thinking more and more about getting one but the ATF makes me nauseous so I’ve always taken the “SUCK IT” approach. I’m trying to want to play the game.
 
SINNER said:
I’ve never bought a suppressor. I’m not savvy to all the forms and such so are you guys saying the start to finish times to buy a suppressor have gone from almost a year to days in some cases? Is this across the board or for people previously approved for other items or ? I’ve been thinking more and more about getting one but the ATF makes me nauseous so I’ve always taken the “SUCK IT” approach. I’m trying to want to play the game.
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Tarheel State does my engraving on the suppressors I build. She was telling me in the last week theyve had 20 forms come in under TWENTY HOURS !!!. Thats what the timeframes are like these days. Ive had two under a week for my customers with one at 30 hours.
 
SINNER said:
I’ve never bought a suppressor. I’m not savvy to all the forms and such so are you guys saying the start to finish times to buy a suppressor have gone from almost a year to days in some cases? Is this across the board or for people previously approved for other items or ? I’ve been thinking more and more about getting one but the ATF makes me nauseous so I’ve always taken the “SUCK IT” approach. I’m trying to want to play the game.
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Buy your first through a silencershop kiosk online and use their simple trust process. In fairness to the ATF, they've never shot a dog over going over a can bought fair and square.
 
So are form 1’s back on the table with this?
 
SINNER said:
are you guys saying the start to finish times to buy a suppressor have gone from almost a year to days in some cases?
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Over a year, to hours in documented cases.

By becoming efficient, they get to build their database, and collect even more taxes.
 
JohnFreeman said:
And to think it only took them nearly 100 years to figure this out.
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They ran it for forever like it was originally intended to be run. That was as an almost impenetrable roadblock .The federal government had its court approved taxation scam that only existed to kill interest in the devices listed. $200 in 1934 wasn't quite a fortune but it was the equivalent to 7 ounces of gold so $14000 to $15000 in todays money. It was a hard stop to the suppressor industry, machineguns etc. Thats what they wanted, not the $200. Lets face it $200 is not that much today. Two days at McDonalds. Interest is high in the devices but the ATF kept roadblocking until legal action from some states, who weren't on board like they used to be, threatened to take the whole system down and with SCOTUS the way it is now I think the administration decided it wasn't worth the risk. Lots of dancing around SCOTUS these days. So now they have abandoned, at least for now, the roadblock scheme. We will see how long it lasts.

And it is an election year.

Oh, Yeah... It is my sincere belief that the government wants to expand the NFA to cover ALL semi auto firearms. They cant pitch that to Congress until they get it to work the way it is. I think next year after the election is going to be pivotal. If I had money on it I'd say $5 transfers and all semi in the NFA before 2030.
 
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wired said:
They ran it for forever like it was originally intended to be run. That was as an almost impenetrable roadblock .The federal government had its court approved taxation scam that only existed to kill interest in the devices listed. $200 in 1934 wasn't quite a fortune but it was the equivalent to 7 ounces of gold so $14000 to $15000 in todays money. It was a hard stop to the suppressor industry, machineguns etc. Thats what they wanted, not the $200. Lets face it $200 is not that much today. Two days at McDonalds. Interest is high in the devices but the ATF kept roadblocking until legal action from some states, who weren't on board like they used to be, threatened to take the whole system down and with SCOTUS the way it is now I think the administration decided it wasn't worth the risk. Lots of dancing around SCOTUS these days. So now they have abandoned, at least for now, the roadblock scheme. We will see how long it lasts.

And it is an election year.
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SINNER said:
I’ve never bought a suppressor. I’m not savvy to all the forms and such so are you guys saying the start to finish times to buy a suppressor have gone from almost a year to days in some cases? Is this across the board or for people previously approved for other items or ? I’ve been thinking more and more about getting one but the ATF makes me nauseous so I’ve always taken the “SUCK IT” approach. I’m trying to want to play the game.
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I'm right there with you.


So to those of you in the know, obviously things are going great for the 70%, my question is what is the wait time looking like for someone who, without fail, gets a half hour "Researching" toe tap on every NICS check?

Still looking at a year I guess?
 
commiecuriocollector said:
I'm right there with you.


So to those of you in the know, obviously things are going great for the 70%, my question is what is the wait time looking like for someone who, without fail, gets a half hour "Researching" toe tap on every NICS check?

Still looking at a year I guess?
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The honest answer? No one knows.
 
wired said:
The honest answer? No one knows.
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Yeah that's kinda what I was thinking.

I imagine most people who get a "Researching", every, single, time, figure it is best not ram a stick in a hornet's nest with a Higher-Order Mother May I, and risk finding out why that keeps happening.
 
commiecuriocollector said:
I'm right there with you.


So to those of you in the know, obviously things are going great for the 70%, my question is what is the wait time looking like for someone who, without fail, gets a half hour "Researching" toe tap on every NICS check?

Still looking at a year I guess?
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apply for a UPIN and then include a pdf of your UPIN approval with every form 1/4 submission?
 
commiecuriocollector said:
I'm right there with you.


So to those of you in the know, obviously things are going great for the 70%, my question is what is the wait time looking like for someone who, without fail, gets a half hour "Researching" toe tap on every NICS check?
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Do you provide your SS# when you complete the 4473?
 
My local shop was pretty cleaned out of cans when I stopped by a coupla days ago.
Was lookin to see what was available in a lightweight shorty for 5.56.
Nothin but an over-the-bird-cage and a YHM **spit**..
Is everybody else low stock?
 
HawgBonz said:
My local shop was pretty cleaned out of cans when I stopped by a coupla days ago.
Was lookin to see what was available in a lightweight shorty for 5.56.
Nothin but an over-the-bird-cage and a YHM **spit**..
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???????
 
HawgBonz said:
My local shop was pretty cleaned out of cans when I stopped by a coupla days ago.
Was lookin to see what was available in a lightweight shorty for 5.56.
Nothin but an over-the-bird-cage and a YHM **spit**..
Is everybody else low stock?
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Well yeah. Everyone else noticed form 4's are getting approved in hours. Everything sold.
 
HawgBonz said:
My local shop was pretty cleaned out of cans when I stopped by a coupla days ago.
Was lookin to see what was available in a lightweight shorty for 5.56.
Nothin but an over-the-bird-cage and a YHM **spit**..
Is everybody else low stock?
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My local shop was completely sold out of 5.56 dedicated cans Saturday, and had a pretty poor showing of 30 cal cans too...

Plenty of 9mm and 45 cans funny enough.
 
HawgBonz said:
My local shop was pretty cleaned out of cans when I stopped by a coupla days ago.
Was lookin to see what was available in a lightweight shorty for 5.56.
Nothin but an over-the-bird-cage and a YHM **spit**..
Is everybody else low stock?
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Griffin has Recce 5K's with the muzzle device in stock and on sale. Things were about wiped even two weeks ago when I found the Polonium K's at Primary Arms, but they are since out of stock also.
 
GTX30R said:
Are form 1s also going in quickly like form4s looks like most are still 30-60days?
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Therye going fast if you have EFT's and are filing individual. Ive seen week clearance times. Trusts bog everything down and so do paper prints.
 
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I did 2 form 4’s Thursday with EFT’s and a form 1 last Tuesday with paper prints, wonder which will come back first.
 
Dale Gribble said:
Do you provide your SS# when you complete the 4473?
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Yeah I, er my friend, has experimented with that a couple of times. The longest Researching wait so far, over an hour, actually took place the first occasion that the SSN blank was filled in.

That certainly didn't make for a Warm and Fuzzy feeling. Only that first time with the SSN took that long, otherwise, it's generally been a wash. With or without, half hour guarantee.

Kinda expensive, as killing that extra time waiting around in the store means going from simply purchasing a roscoe, to making a small pile of other accoutrements by the cash register. In effect I am already paying an extra $200 with every non-NFA purchase as-is. I really need to quit.
 
Ncvarmint said:
I did 2 form 4’s Thursday with EFT’s and a form 1 last Tuesday with paper prints, wonder which will come back first.
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I filed two last Monday for customers . The EFT guy came back in 33 hours . Other one hasn’t come back yet
 
I bet my form 1 with paper prints will delay the form 4’s ( i read if there is more than one form in the system they do them all then, but not sure if theres any truth to that)
 
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